Are you saying that he wasn't convicted of rape and the press made it up? Facts are facts Martin!

 

Nope, he certainly wasn't.

 

And who defines "that drunk"

She allowed Evans to do "certain things" with her - so i can't see how she can go down the lines of saying she has no memory after a certain point or giving consent. So, it will be one word against another (or 2 words against hers in this case) which surly can't prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt.

90% of rape cases will be down to one word against another about consent and it won't be enough to prove guilt. That's why there is such a low conviction rate for rape cases.

 

She looked flustered to my mind , but she aways does i think - probably something do with the cack she comes out with

hair looked lank

( id stop short giving full portion certainly )

 

She's got a demure lasciviousness about her.

 

RVP was accused of rape.
The charges "went away".

 

Err no.

I wasn't even hinting at it.

 

With this logic of roles models in football and looking at the current situation as it stands....

If I were to get drunk at a party. Drive home. Ram a innocent motorist off the road and kill its passengers.

I get some jail time. Then, get released early and come back to be my Club Captain.



But if I rape someone whilst pissed, no no no. Never play again.


So. Rape is worse than Manslaughter due to driving around whilst pissed?

Is it?

Really?

Because that is what the sport is currently condoning.

 

It does seem that in these type of situations (heavy drinking involved) the "lines get blurred"

I suspect these "blurred lines" tend to work in the favour of the male - witness the low conviction rate in rape cases

Although I can't help thinking that, if through a quirk of evolution, the method of human reproduction (i.e. sex) was reversed and meant the the female inserted something up the males anvs - the lines would be a little less blurred

 

Indeed!

I've been heavily drunk many times when younger yet there's only one time where I genuinely don't know what happened to me. I woke up about 4am needing a **** and it dawned on me in the toilet that I didn't remember going to bed. My mates filled me in on the details but because I was 'that drunk' to not remember, the details were mainly that.. I passed out! I was only 14 at the time and had downed a bottle of vodka, that's the type of level where you wouldn't know what you were doing. Not strolling in high heels to a hotel then in and out the room getting pizza etc.

Funnily enough over the years, talking about things like being drunk when younger I've heard the words "I didn't remember anything" far more from women than I have men. One might suggest that the phrase somewhat excuses any regrettable behaviour.

 

Funnily enough, my experience has been the exact opposite. I suppose perhaps it comes down to who you know, rather than just what gender they happen to be. And in saying that, I'd agree with your last point.

 

Good post.

I'd be happy to enter a dìck measuring contest on who's been the most drunk on the most occasions but despite that i can say I've always been able to remember the night before, although maybe a little hazy.

You can make bad bad decisions when you're drunk but you know you're making them, IMO.

 

To be honest, there is no 'alcohol blurred lines' when it comes down to the low conviction rate.
Rape is usually between and in the presence of the 2 people involved. The low conviction rate is due to being unable to prove if consent was given or not. The female will say consent was not given and the male will say it was. Hence one word against another and not enough to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt. So the male is acquitted.

And it will be the same the other way around (via your quirk of evolution) one word against the other

 

I won't take Feminism seriously until I see a Diet Coke advert where a woman removes her top for the lads.......

Ched Evans should be able to ply his trade. He's likely to face abuse from the terraces. If he is prepared to take that on let him crack on. He's taking a division drop, pay cut, etc etc by not getting touched by high profile teams. We weren't there so have to take things as they are presented. At the moment he's a convicted rapist. If there is a job for him and a club wants him he should play. Look at it this way, his missus has stuck by him and if he genuinely didn't rape that girl he's still tarnished regardless. Mike Tyson was allowed to Fight, star in films, travel to other countries, etc. The whole point of reform is that people are allowed to reform. He needs to be allowed to do that. This mob rule BS is a plague in this country and it doesn't appear to get any better. Ched Evans' career really shouldn't be a national topic. He's a footballer not a Messiah. I'm sure jail wasn't particularly nice. So if people are worried about role models stop putting people on pedastals. It's a job. He does it for money. If he turned out for free ensuring the lives of thousands were better for free then maybe I could take the role model argument seriously. But he doesn't so I can't.

Personally, I say fair play for choosing to front it out rather than disappearing into a mobile catering van flipping burgers! Some people confuse courage with arrogance. It might be naieve on my part considering I've never met him but something just doesn't add up and I think you have to be pretty confident to want to clear your name. If someone is that persistent despite the odds you'd probably wager those odds are stacked incorrectly. Either that or he is totally deluded. The girl is still with him despite the prospect of him never playing football again and earning that level of wage.

I like to see the good in people where possible. There were a spate of rape claims around that time. Titus Bramble was one "star name" that got muddied at one point too. The law of averages would make you think not all cases will end without convictions and his appeared to be it. If he did do it, well more fool him......but he's done his bird. Let him move on with his life. The judge did not rule that he should not work after sentence is served right?! Well that's that!

 

Looking at the facts of the case and the sober looking woman walking into the hotel I cannot see how anyone could find Ched evans guilty. At the least if one of them is guilty the other has to be as well. The woman claimed to have no memory so the only evidence for what happened in the room came from the men. If they had no commented the interviews then it would never have made court.
I have plenty of experience of crazy claims by women either because they feel guilty, don't want to appear a **** or have been caught cheating by a partner. The low conviction rate for rape is because, in my opinion many rape claims are false. A man local to me guessed a woman was going to sleep with him so she could file a fake rape claim so he filmed sex with her as evidence. In the end she got 2 years.

 

Also, I'm sure many of us men have had encounters that we regret when we're sober.

Let's hypothetically say I had a situation happen to me a long time ago where a woman fancied me and made it her mission to get what she wanted, me being not interested for years made her worse. Let's just say I was in a relationship and I got blind drunk at a work do, and I spent the night fending her off. Let's imagine alcohol got the better of me and I ended up being taken advantage of. The next day is full of regret and guilt, but at no point does it even enter my head that I was raped. It's a situation I got myself into, drinking played a big part but that was still my choice. So I made the decisions that led to the outcome. It's a regrettable situation, but it's something as men we just take on the chin. I've had a few scenarios where I've been led into things I wouldn't do when sober (to the point where I've felt awful the next day), but ultimately they have been self inflicted.

Now, if she'd came into work, bound and gagged me and rode me like a rodeo queen I might be thinking totally differently.

I also succumbed to a woman years ago who fancied me from when I was with another girl, as soon as I was single she heavily pursued me and went from being the quiet red faced 'girl next door' type to over the years building up the persona to turn up at my house unannounced and ask me to f@ck her. Reason I mention her is because she actually told me her fantasy was to play out a rape scene. That (as well as her annoying cutesy voice she'd slip into at random and unbelievable ability to sound disgusting when she swallowed her drink) was more than enough for me to keep well away. I just had visions of her wanting to play it out, then when I still declined to be her 'boyfriend' her using it against me, f@ck that. But it does make you think rather.

 

Also, there won't be much of an offence as women can not rape men (in law)

 

I'm not sure men can rape men...can they?

if so, it's only recently been added as a crime.

 

I'm not in a hurry to go to prison and find out.

Anyway Hollyoaks ran a Male rape story when Gary Lucy was in it ......so it must be true

 

Of course they can.

 

Really? Fascinating. Even if the bloke was 'too drunk to give consent'?

 

I think this is spot on/nail on the head etc and something that should be made very clear in the media.

 

His wage comes by virtue of television rights ( paying public) ,he probably wouldn't turn up for free

 

yes, I have some sympathy with this view - he was not sentenced to "unemployment"

although it must be confusing for him - when Oldham said "No" Ched thought it meant "yes"

 

Really? So how long has "male rape" actually been on the statute book?

AFAIknew, it was always just aggravated sexual assault.

 

It's not split in to a separate law for men. Rape is penetration in the vagina, anus or mouth with the ***** without consent from the other and in knowledge that it is without consent.

 

We don't know she said yes. You are assuming he is telling the truth.

 

You are certain of this? Can you point me at the relevant statute?

 

So what if you and your wife are pretty drunk at a party, having a laugh, pop upstairs for sex, she falls into a druken sleep and your drunk mate comes in once you've pissed off for more beer and has sex with her.

Would you still spit in her face and kick her out of the house, or would you (as the jury did in Evan's case) decide that your mate's actions were not acceptable?

 

Just as a jury assumed she was.

But something is rotten in the state of Denmark...else why did he only get 5 years and be out in 2.5, DESPITE refusing to admit guilt or show remorse?