I'm sure at least 80% of the Uk adult population has at some time or another engaged in drunken sex with someone they met on a night out, evidenced by the number of ugly ******* in the UK.

Is he a rapist, not imo he's just one of many young blokes that got wasted and shagged some random bird that had the "Charlie" itch in her ***** and was up for owt.

Nothing new there.

 

This.

 

No, they shouldn't. Not if the woman is that drunk.

 

I was speaking more generally mate, on the concept of men having sex with drunk women.

We should know better.

 

She's so pissed yet she can walk unaided in heels in to the hotel, remembers she's left her pizza outside on the floor so goes out, bends down, picks it up and walks back in to the hotel room, again all In high heels.

I don't know about you guys but when I've been blind drunk to the point the this lady was suppose to have been, I for one would have massive difficulties in walking straight! Let alone remember I left a pizza on the floor and bend down to retrieve it, I'd be on my ***

She don't look "blind drunk" to me on that video at the hotel I'll be honest so saying she can't remember anything is a bit too far imo. Even then if she was "tipsy" when arriving at the hotel and the first guy had got her blotto then texts his mate to pop over, is he not as guilty as the second guy for insinuating it?

I think there is fault on both parties in this situation tbf. Rape seems to get thrown about a lot imho. That situation is nothing like a predator waiting for anybody to ambush on a dark path for instance, she knew what she was going to the hotel for or why not go home.

 

Perhaps, though since that is not what Ched Evans did it seems a bit straw man to bring that argument up.

What about a drunk man having sex with a woman too drunk to consent? How is the bloke supposed to know what 'too drunk' is? Is there a legal definition? It is just a minefield and to call it rape, and group it with violent people who assault women in parks on their walk home, is wrong.

That Evans is guilty of rape suggests the woman involved was a total victim and had no control of events, but she was just as much at fault as he. Yet the sentence and conviction of cause does not reflect it. All IMO of course.

 

It's such a grey area when examined. A case of 'he said, she said'. I'm no fan of Evans but in my judgement/opinion having gathered as much information as I can, he is guilty of being stupid and not keeping it in his pants. To call him a rapist is an insult to victims of actual rape.

 

I have been drunk to the point of passing out and if my wife was to sleep with someone and tell me its because she was too drunk to know better I would spit in her face and kick her out of the house.

 

Interesting read,

I see the majority say from what we know evidence wise its not rape, im inclined to lean that way too but we don't know all the facts so we never know. Just feel sorry for him if he is innocent as he is unlikely to get a football contract after the Oldham one failed.

The woman also if it was rape will be mentally scarred for life. Very difficult one but surprised a conviction was got as most rape cases struggle in court with better evidence.

 

Does anyone know if she has made any money out of it. (just wondering if there was a incentive other than the obvious)

 

Are we still talking about drunken people here? you know people who are actually out of their heads and considered not fit to drive or be generally responsible enough to look after anything due to their judgement being impaired by alcohol.

Then lets add some coke and expect to see some rational decision make process taking place.

 

The question was "should he be allowed to play proffesional football". Well, no-one is stopping him.
Next question, if you were a club owner, would you employ him.

No.

For the reason stated above. Footballers ARE role models, even if they dont want to be. For that reason i would not employ him. Tough luck to him, but its a tough world.

 

I've read she told a mate that she was going to take him for all the money she could but he refused to be blackmailed so she contacted police.

Again just read on some news that came up on my news feed non FB but not sure what is legit and what isn't on this subject

 

Totally irrelevant.

 

He was probably too honest for his own good and told the Police everything, foolishly thinking it would all be seen for what it actually was, some drunken slapper crying wolf.

 

Are we going to go beyond the present "No can never mean yes!", to "And yes might not mean yes either!"???
Sorry, wasn't going to comment again.

Zips mouth and logs off........

 

Irrelevant.

He was convicted. Most people dont care about the details. Everyone knows as a footballer, there is a whole section of society waiting to knock you down. Dont put yourself in a position that allows them to do that. He's an idiot, as well as being unfaithful to his girlfriend.

 

Woman meets man she goes back to his hotel room and has sex with him, the man isn't charged.

His mate turns up she hasn't spoken to him or even set eyes on him in and he has sex with her I would say that is different.

We don't know the full facts of what happened, the case was heard in a court and the jury decided he was guilty of rape.

The men said she consented - am l surprised that the two mates said that, no not really

Could she have had sex with man one and been quite happy to do so even though she had just met him - quite possibly.

Could she have been so pissed that after sex she just wanted to go to sleep - yes

Is it right that a second man turns up let's himself into the room and has sex with her - not in my book

I don't agree with what may have happened and side with the jury, if my club signed Evans l would not renew my season ticket

 

If he worked in Mc Donalds or a factory no one would be hassling him? I think the issue is the fact he may make a good wage? But that's his trade, I do reckon if he said **** it I will work in a shop everyone would shut up! Its all about him making money and nothing else!

 

NOT irrelevant.

HE says she consented. The LAW says she was too drunk to consent.

So.....are we now in the realms of "Yes can mean no!"?????

 

Simple answer to that, yep, we bloody well are.

 

I read in the paper about a young lad who touched an off duty police womans bum and he got done for sexual assault nd was put on the sex register.


There is a whole new era of PC correctness and if we follow down this route how many people can be on the sex offenders register just after a night out on the beer and I mean both men and women. I have lost count on the amount of women who have grabbed me sexually in a pub or club and if you times that by the whole country.




The judge ruled Ched shouldn't of slept with her as she was drunk and there goes another massive chunk of the country every weekend.


This may be in the public eye but it could be near you soon so when do we decide who is actually assaulting someone or who is just chatting someone up and playing the game. Its a fine line now and its easy to get dragged into a sexual assault if touching someones bum gets you on the sex register !

 

It's for a jury to decide, not us. He was found guilty. The guy is an idiot.

If you work in the public areana, your reputation is your livelihood. Look after it.

Would Frank Lampard behave in such a way....no.

 

Yes!

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Roasti...t.-a0151622687

 

First I've heard. Still, he never went to jail over it.

 

Well doh, no, that wouldn't very likely, because:
1. the incident occurred in Cyprus, and
2. the law then didn't have the same element that it does now of being responsible for rightly guessing whether a person is sober enough to be capable of consent.

 

Typical of football frankly. The only sport that could get embroiled in a mess like this from the top down given the comments comparing it to Hillsborough! Pathetic sport, pathetic people!

 

LOL he is here again slagging football off. Not content with slagging everyone off being more stupid than him on the Paris shootings thread he is here telling everyone here they are pathetic people for any interest in football.

 

Well the sport keeps turning up in headlines for all the wrong reasons, but I guess that's just coincidence

 

I thought you normally finished off comments like this with a rant against the press? Curious how when it suits, you don't.