http://www.lbc.co.uk/james-obriens-m...-attack-102995

 

One minute you're telling us how completely absurd it is to think that ordinary Muslims condone what these terrorists did this week, the next you're telling us "ah well, they had a point though, noone else has to put up with being publicly insulted, so why not take matters into their own hands?"

Yet you're surprised at the reaction you get from some of the people here?

 

Really?! Is that what I've said? I've cited several examples of censure and provided that as a parallel. At no point have I condoned or stated ' they had a point'. Not for the first time are you completely twisting the point I'm making and suggesting quite cynically and surreptitiously that I openly support the extremist actions of the terrorists.
Fortunately I don't give two hoots what you think, as people who actually know me know my character and viewpoint. I'd suggest you freshen up your maths skills as you're adding two and two and coming up with five.

 

A simplistic analogy would be a pub lock-in. All 'guests' are privileged to be there and are expected to behave themselves. Any troublemakers and the door gets unlocked long enough to chuck them out (possibly after a slap, but that's not mandatory).

As most probably know, Abu Hamza has just been handed a life-sentence in America. The offences he committed to get this life sentence are all historic and he could have started his sentence more than 5 years ago. Instead a patently guilty individual loiters about at great financial expense to the society that he is endangering. That shouldn't happen.

As far as the 2 brothers in France go, the pair of them were on a UK/US 'no-fly' list and one of them was known to have spent time in a training camp (Syria or Yemen ?). Which makes one wonder why they were even in France still. They should have either been kicked out or imprisoned before now.

The number of 'undesirables' flagged by security services but still carrying on as normal would probably beggar belief.

 

I believe the uk secret service are doing there level best to keep us all safe here in blighty .......

 

Why the hell would i go and do a thing like that?

I'm not Muslim but it would seem that if i try to put some of my concerns to rest then maybe this is the answer i can expect to get.

Islam is not ingrained in our society, it's not taught in our schools and for me in my walk of life i have no way of learning about how Islam works.
I have known a few Muslim guys to have more than one wife and if you were to ask them if they were slags then they would also most likely want to give you a good going over. But these same men when asked told me that they got their second wives out of respect for the first and was a gift to help her run/clean the house etc. (This IS treating women as second class citizens, and something this country can be proud of moving away from)
Now i don't feel i should feel the need to go educate myself on such matters but it would also seem that certain people somehow expected me to know about how Muslims live their lives.
Now you could say what business is it of mine to know how Muslims live, and on a individual basis i would agree, but as a culture that resides in the UK i see no reason why I should get that type of shìt response from yourself when i ask the question. (Note, you choose to answer the question)

I do think women are treated with less respect from some Muslims but i also think that they think they don't. How do i draw a different conclusion, I'm only human?

 

Million people going to march in France.presume these two got what they wanted :-(

 

I didn't understand it either? I thought Islam was all about peace? But mention their mum and they become thugs?
So, much like a football hooligan really.

Personally I find it hard to believe most Muslims are as violent as that.

 

Raised an eyebrow here too. Are young Muslims all well 'ard?!

 

MI5 have now said they are 'watching' 30 people known to be capable of carrying out a terrorist attack here, and currently reassessing 120 more after the French attacks.

Nice.

 

None of the 30 are either:

1) Irish, or
2) Fundamental Christian extremists, or
3) anything to do with St George or Adolf Hitler

 

Somebody probably said something about their mum.

 

Do you lot never get fed up with your constant sniping at and goading of the Muslims on here... or in fact of Muslims in general? What is your end game? To rid SN of the evil terror threat or just to be generally narrow minded bores?

 

No worries To be honest I am not sure what would ever satisfy the kangaroo court on SN

 

Thanks for the response. In other words you'd like to see tighter laws allowing for rapid deportation, harsher punitive measures and a more effective prevention strategy. Pretty much what the Tories are calling for, I'd say.

 

Exactly.
They might be calling for it but I'm disappointed that they haven't already taken a stand. This should have happened with the man (name forgotten) that should have been off-loaded to Jordan pronto, but wasn't because his subsequent trial was deemed to be slanted.

 

Somewhat ironic in view of the ease with which we have historically accepted the extradition of our citizens to America on often questionable evidence to what is likely to be a loaded trial.

 

It's political subservience to the US. I agree with you regarding rapid exclusion of undesirable types. There should be no wavering or flim flam. You cause trouble you're out end of.

 

The ECHR is the problem here.
What started out with good (and valid) intentions has become an oppressive joke (with very few laughs).

 

It's difficult to simply "take a stand", they have to go through the judicial process. Theresa May was banging her head against the wall trying to deport Abu Qatada, the ECHR were the stumbling block I recall. So, before any stand taking there needs to be a radical overhaul of the British and European legal system and as you know this can take years if not decades.

 

I see we're in vague agreement.

 

Just get out of the EU, problem solved! If we can't control our own borders then we may as well hand over government to them completely! That said I think May was being a spineless idiot over Qatada, she should just have deported him and dealt with the consequences from Europe later!

 

How long have they been calling for this? Could it be in the run up to the general election or since the rise in votes for UKIP?.
What's the likelihood of them continuing to call for these measures if they were to win the next election.

 

The timing couldn't be better as regards to a Government calling the bluff of the ECHR and ignoring the consequences.
Perhaps leading to a re-jig of their policies and modus operandi, so we nor anyone else feel a need to leave.

 

Exactly! A union is all well and good but the EU is an unelected, undemocratic and bureaucratic mess.

 

At the risk of stating what should be obvious, the Kouachi brothers were both second generation immigrants, and therefore French citizens. Where would the French authorities have deported them to?

 

They wouldn't.
In that case they would have imprisoned them. Unless of course somewhere else suitable was offering to take them.

 

Membership of the EU has nothing to do with the ECHR.
The ECHR is accepted by members of the Council of Europe.

 

Get UKIP into power. Personally, I'm pro-European and think we should work with them.

Come on, Chris, that would have been diplomatic suicide!

 

It's been Conservative policy for decades, Kwik.