MrNoisy

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Most of the RCM ones are a snug fit tbh but you should be able to sell that on for a nice sum, just a shame as like I said it looks like it would probably have flowed more air than the Perrin!
FMIC - it's a cheap un, Toyo sports aren't generally acknowledged for their quality items(see up pipe threads!) but at the same time it looks remarkably similar to the Japspeed FMIC so as long as the core is half decent you should be alright.
I guess you'll find out at mapping time.

My car made just over 470 on an SC42 billet with meth so I would expect yours to break that on a 2.1 without much problem as you'll be able to run more boost safely, although it'll probably be pushing the limits of the turbo.
Incidentally I run a Japspeed FMIC, spool is okay but I think the cold side pipework could do with being a bit thinner like some of the pricier kits to aid spool. Considering visiting TFS for a bit of custom pipe work to improve that...

I'll be interested to see how you get on as I've spoken in the past with Martyn about mating a 2.1 stroker to the SC42 to get a nice compromise between power and spool - in theory it should fly

scooblet

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Well yes seen some very impressive results on the billet plus. 487bhp on a 2.0 using pump fuel on the scoobyclinic billet better thread!!

Will find out tomorrow, martyn said if its there he will get it.. Aslong as i dont lose power and it drives well im happy.

forgedmarco

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That was my prodrive 😉

scooblet

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UPDATE!!

Great day with great friends. Gooooood result on momentum fuel. Unfortunately injectors were at 83% duty so no meth map.
The car spools awesome and has great torque, it certainly goes like a stabbed rat so im very happy!!

On the way home had an issue so limped home at 50mph from past taunton... Too much anti lag (i did ask for aggressive lol)

No doubt this isnt the end of the story regarding my car!

Pics!!





On one pull the dv delete bung shot out the fmic pipe!! Got my good mate on it as i was still shaking after thinking the engine let go.



Big thanks to Martyn at enginetuner this is the result! Pulls like ****


Little motorway pull with antilag! After this the lambda blew out the headers lol knew the thread was dodgey but once again i shat myself... Lol
http://s61.photobucket.com/user/ARDZ...nqvf4.mp4.html

Also would like to thank Allan jefferys for showing us around the premises and talking us through various jobs they are doing at the moment, got some awesome cars down there!

MrNoisy

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Not a bad result.
It looks like 440-450 really is pushing that turbo then, could you post the boost graph as well?
It's interesting as you're actually only 2bhp over what I achieved on a standard STi block but the main difference is the 25 extra ft/lbs of torque and 400rpm earlier full boost the 2.1 gives you which must drive well.

scooblet

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Hi yes its drives very well, im happy as that turbos isnt sold as a 450bhp turbo. Spool is awesome!! Dont have boost graph but its at 1.7 bar. According to my toucan.

MrNoisy

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That's decent then - wonder if he could have extracted a little more with additional boost - probably wouldn't have been a huge difference.
Have to ask - do you think the money spent on the 2.1 has made a big difference to how the car drives compared to the standard 2.0 on the AVCS?
Not sure what you were running before but as yours is close as damned to the same turbo as mine I'd be interested to hear how different you think it is.
Assuming yours is a forged engine you'd probably have gotten 450 - it's happened on SC40's in the past - they normally achieve beyond their spec whereas the 321 series are normally consistent in achieving their 400 for the H and 450 for the T series.


P.S. apologies for the original broken link to the graph I posted - fixed now I'm on the laptop

scooblet

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Im not to clued up on the mapping side of it. Prob could have got more with extra boost but the torque was decreasing. Scoobyclinic mapped it at 2bar with 427bhp so to get 442bhp with less boost is got to be a result.

That torue makes all the difference. My mate got 430bhp/420 ftlbs on his 2.0 with SC42. All mappers have a different way of doing things, but im very happy to have what i got and not to worried if there was more in it which i dont think there was. Wanted to do a meth map but injectors wouldnt allow it unfortunately. Would have been good to see 450-480 on meth. Next time!!! Lol

As for the 2.1 i bought it already done so cant comment but it puts my mind at ease abit knowing its forged and is well under its rated power. Next year maybe got rotated and really test the engine.

MrNoisy

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430/420 I'm guessing must have been twin scroll or 2 bar of boost on a forged block as I've never seen any torque figures break 400 on a single scroll SC42 on a standard 2.0 block (not running within sensible safety margins anyway)
My figure above was achieved on V-Power only running 1.55 bar of boost on standard internals.
The fact that Scoobyclinic couldn't get more than 427 out of your car at 2 bar given the spec is a little head scratching eh?

Meth will be good - expect another 20% on the figure again.
Mine made 473/425 on a 20% meth mix.
A mate with a forged 2.1 went rotated, fitted a billet GT30 and made more than 500 - bonkers car, but if it's going to stay a road car I'd say the SC42 is ballistic enough for most scenarios unless you're planning on dragging with a Veyron

scooblet

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Sorry my mates was 430/400ftlbs.

If you compare the graph on page 1 to this one its night and day!

I think you get used to the power then it feels slow so then the quest for more begins lol.

MrNoisy

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400 is still a very respectable torque figure from a standard 2.0 block.
Or was it a forged motor running higher boost?

Regarding your point above and the Scoobyclinic result vs Enginetuner, it's very notable that your Scoobyclinic run was performed in temperatures at 20+ degrees on the dyno.
The Enginetuner runs were 10+ degrees colder, meaning conditions are much more favourable, so actually it's unlikely the car has made any more or less power tbh.
Having spent way too much time on my local dyno (Surrey Rolling Road) I'm aware you can end up running 10-15bhp more on a pull just by letting the cell cool down or if the temperatures are much colder, so by the look of it, the car is running well and all is good but the output of the engine is probably around the same as it was when the car was at Scoobyclinic.
I would see if you've got a boost graph and check it was definitely running 2 bar - I don't see why any mapper would take the car to 2 bar and leave it there if it was running the same power at 1.5 bar.
Sorry if I've misinterpreted what you've said above, just trying to understand why the hell they'd push it that hard when another mapper managed to get the same result at less bar unless there's a misunderstanding somewhere.

scooblet

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Looks like 2 bar to me! On an sti topmount, stock headers!


The way I see it is the car is totally different to drive feels 10000 times better and you can see by the graphs. Temps I'm not clued up on all that i see numbers and srive the thing lol..

As for the 400ftlbs it was on stock engine with stock internals, roughly same sort of spec a mine but on the old SC42.

MartynJ

I suspect they had to run nearly 2 bar previously as it still had the stock top mount and stock headers. Simply put it's far more efficient now with the GT spec headers and front mount so much less boost reqd to get the desired result.

MrNoisy

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Christ on a bike I didn't realise it was on a TMIC - totally pointless with that level of boost unless you have a good one I'd have said.
A mate has a MDX555 which ran 420 on a STI TMIC but that's the best result I've ever seen from a standard STI TMIC although his car is a JDM.
To leave it at 2 bar of boost to accomplish 340bhp is ludicrous though, my car made 355 on an STI TMIC, standard headers and a non billet 20g at 1.5 bar of boost before I went FMIC (made another 30); surely they didn't need to put 2 through it to get that result - if so the top mount must have been absolutely knackered!

MartynJ

It was 340 at the wheels, 420 at the flywheel. It now has 440+ @ less boost and is much safer for it.

MrNoisy

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If that made 420 at the fly on a TMIC it must have been utterly nuts!
My apologies, I went back to the first post and re-read and everything makes a bit more sense now, was jumping between a few on the phone but it's easier to keep track on the PC.
I always feel FMIC's on the bigger power cars make them more civilised to drive anyway, and whilst the earlier spool and thump the TMIC gives you is great you indeed make a valid point re the safety margin!
Would be interested in seeing the full set of graphs for before and after.

scooblet

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Bith graphs are on here for before and after except the boost from Enginetuner. Thanks Martyn for your input.

BEFORE


AFTER



Night and day! Thanks to Martyn

Scooby B

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Hi. I'm the owner of the 2ltr car who was mapped on the same day as Scooblet. Its a completely stock engine with the normal bolt on mods, alcatek ecu, fmic, 800cc injectors and sc42 turbo. End result was 430bhp and 400ft/lbs.

Very, very happy with the results. I think the stock 2ltr sti engines are very underestimated.

Deanamoore

This was my car b4 dan had it,the 342 map was b4 Scoobyclinic did any work to the car to see what it was running before they started there work to see it was safe for the new upgrades.it finished at 427 bhp on a top mount with running 2 bar.it was forged an stroked an for how often i used the car it was very safe.it went like a rocket.on the day it was mapped they had to stop as it was a hot day an the temps got very high.it could of made more on a cold day they told me.but I was very happy with the results.my next plan was headers meth an a perrin front mount but that never happened onto the next project.hope this clears the mapping issue up :-)

Scooby B

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Dean out of interest how was the engine before you went down the 2.1? Did it let go or did you just fancy a built engine?

MrNoisy

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400ft/lbs is a phenomenal amount of torque from a standard 2 litre block, even when mine mine made 440bhp on the SC42 that was only 390ft/lbs.
Just goes to show how different some of these cars are; even 321T's I've seen pushing 450bhp haven't made the 400 ft/lbs range so very good result for you there.
Sorry OP for the thread hijack!

Either way that's a superb result on a top mount, shame you never saw how far she'd go, but looks like the new owner will be playing further with it

scooblet

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Look at how laggy it was on top mount! Dean if you drove it now you would want it back there and then!!

Scooby B

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MrNoisy I told a lie. Its 396ft/lbs

scooblet

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How could you lie like that!

IainMilford

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Great result Dan

scooblet

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Cheers Iain, im more than happy with the car. Goes very well on the road.

BBB3

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Nice

scooblet

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Small update.

Bought a Innovate Wideband, idea is to hook it upto the ECU and use it for fueling and delete other lambdas I think.




Will be fitting this weekend if i get the chance. Also give her a bloody good wash and polish as she looks hanging at the moment.

jamie 1981

get thread guys. some hard work and money gone into this car.

Deanamoore

I would always want it back as I invested a lot of time an money into it.but I am pleased your happy with it.i have finally found my next one.at the moment it is only a shell but a type r shell with one previous owner.2.5 forged this time for me as I av done the 2.1 stroked.next year hopefully be able to bring it to a Somerset meet an put the 2 cars together:-)