This government and its welfare cuts! A sad tale!
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IMO the UK public have already accepted tough decisions, problem is nothing's being done and what is being done is only making it bloody worse all thanks to the last two out of touch Governments.
Politics in the UK has hit an all time low, Who is there to actually vote for outside of UKIP?
Politics in the UK has hit an all time low, Who is there to actually vote for outside of UKIP?
31 December 2014, 11:09 PM
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I really do fear for British Politics. How can we be in a position where we have no clear majority leader? Because they have been proven to be lying , cheating, two faced toffs, that's why!
May be the attraction just isn't there for anyone to take up the reigns of either main party and drag it into the 21st century.
And what bugs me the most is when any and I do mean 'any' politician is asked a direct question on a political program, they dance around the answer. It makes my blood boil. They are asking for our vote and don't even have the decency to be honest.
I'd have far more respect for the party that said, 'look, we don't know how bad things really are until we get into power, but we have a good idea and this is how we are going to implement our plan.'
All we usually get is ' as we have clearly said already, there will be some tough choices.' Yes I f%cking know that but I want to know what your priorities are.
And the lying cheating *******s of the last few decades should have been banged up by now. Not retired on a huge pension.
I'm with you Chris, I truely hate our current political system and lack of credible options.
May be the attraction just isn't there for anyone to take up the reigns of either main party and drag it into the 21st century.
And what bugs me the most is when any and I do mean 'any' politician is asked a direct question on a political program, they dance around the answer. It makes my blood boil. They are asking for our vote and don't even have the decency to be honest.
I'd have far more respect for the party that said, 'look, we don't know how bad things really are until we get into power, but we have a good idea and this is how we are going to implement our plan.'
All we usually get is ' as we have clearly said already, there will be some tough choices.' Yes I f%cking know that but I want to know what your priorities are.
And the lying cheating *******s of the last few decades should have been banged up by now. Not retired on a huge pension.
I'm with you Chris, I truely hate our current political system and lack of credible options.
01 January 2015, 12:12 AM
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The internet and social media have destroyed politics. It's added a new eliment that we have not yet adjusted for and until we do it'll only get worse.
The public thinking that they have Information and knowledge is not necessarily the right thing IMO. The politicians are spending too much time worrying about how they eat their bacon sandwich rather than the important stuff.
The public thinking that they have Information and knowledge is not necessarily the right thing IMO. The politicians are spending too much time worrying about how they eat their bacon sandwich rather than the important stuff.
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I am aware that with what I am going to write below I might cause a lot of fire towards myself, but I would like to express my opinion (which might be unpopular) and experiences...
Me, being an immigrant to this country (and NO, i have NEVER EVER taken a benefit that is literally being thrown at you in this country, well, before 2014 it was like that), I find a lot of this discussion kind of insulting.
Do not get me wrong, I am not protecting the benefit abusing migrants who come here to make children and claim whatever they can, if anything, the government should revert to pre2011 where the new EU states that joined before 2004 were not allowed to claim anything unless they spent an x amount of years in the country and actually benefited the country.
People are discussing about leaving the EU, but at the same time cry that the population is growing older, workforce becoming smaller and having less employees to pay the taxes to cover for the aging population... How is reducing the work-force going to pay more taxes? for a 36 million people nation, the couple saved billions are not going to cover a trillion in debt...
One of the pillars of EU is - freedom of labor movement. Leaving the EU is not going to help the UK, if anything, the country is going to start feeling it in a couple of years...
A lot of people are just focused on that couple of billion bill that the UK is paying as membership fees, but do not see the big picture behind it.
I have experienced myself situations where I have been abused or almost gotten in to a fight just because I am in the wrong pub and accused of working for pennies while taking away the job of the Britton who would work, but not for that money. At the same time in this thread, there is a comment that the wages are relatively high and need to be reduced. Well, which is it then?
In my personal opinion, the issue with the UK is the British youth, that has been educated literally from birth that they do not need to do anything to receive something - i.e. benefits or what you, brits call - the lull.
I work in hospitality in a management position and believe me, it is SO hard to find a young britton who will actually work for the minimum wage and work their way up (even in a waiter's position where they get another wage in tips alone). They last for a month, maximum, just because the job center has sent them to work with us, they have done their deed, and go back on to benefits.
I am not talking about the youths who go and spend their time in apprenticeships for their 2 years etc. but those are mostly Male. Females - they get a child at 18 (if they are 18, very often less (remember the grandmother at 33 whose daughter had a child at 12 years of age...)) and spend the following 7 years on benefits or get another child.
The sad part here is, that a lot of the 2nd generation migrants in this country (children of the initial settlers) who are british citizens have adopted exactly the same attitude. and I am not talking about the masses of Asians in this country, but for example, Belorussian or Ukrainian children.
I appreciate that I might be talking about the lower classes here, but, sadly, this is the bigger part of the population.
you should work for something to get something, not just sit at home and scratch you a-rse and receive some money for it.
Summing it all up - This all might end in another Belgian Turk problem where Belgium had to invite the workforce from Turkey to cover for the largely aging population and rapid industry expanse. All of them came to work for a year or two, but ended up staying and naturalizing as Belgian citizens. Belgium had to put a ban on Turkish immigration twice (90ties and 2000s), but because there were so many Turks there, they claimed family reunion visas and now there are cities with a 90% turkish population.
I would invite people to get over their blood rage and look around before blaming everyone else.
It is exactly as said above - this all comes from people abusing it too much. Sadly, it will take another generation to extinguish "this money for free issue" as people are just too used to it. look, even the author of the thread has used the word "money" more than any other word in his lexicon.
Me, being an immigrant to this country (and NO, i have NEVER EVER taken a benefit that is literally being thrown at you in this country, well, before 2014 it was like that), I find a lot of this discussion kind of insulting.
Do not get me wrong, I am not protecting the benefit abusing migrants who come here to make children and claim whatever they can, if anything, the government should revert to pre2011 where the new EU states that joined before 2004 were not allowed to claim anything unless they spent an x amount of years in the country and actually benefited the country.
People are discussing about leaving the EU, but at the same time cry that the population is growing older, workforce becoming smaller and having less employees to pay the taxes to cover for the aging population... How is reducing the work-force going to pay more taxes? for a 36 million people nation, the couple saved billions are not going to cover a trillion in debt...
One of the pillars of EU is - freedom of labor movement. Leaving the EU is not going to help the UK, if anything, the country is going to start feeling it in a couple of years...
A lot of people are just focused on that couple of billion bill that the UK is paying as membership fees, but do not see the big picture behind it.
I have experienced myself situations where I have been abused or almost gotten in to a fight just because I am in the wrong pub and accused of working for pennies while taking away the job of the Britton who would work, but not for that money. At the same time in this thread, there is a comment that the wages are relatively high and need to be reduced. Well, which is it then?
In my personal opinion, the issue with the UK is the British youth, that has been educated literally from birth that they do not need to do anything to receive something - i.e. benefits or what you, brits call - the lull.
I work in hospitality in a management position and believe me, it is SO hard to find a young britton who will actually work for the minimum wage and work their way up (even in a waiter's position where they get another wage in tips alone). They last for a month, maximum, just because the job center has sent them to work with us, they have done their deed, and go back on to benefits.
I am not talking about the youths who go and spend their time in apprenticeships for their 2 years etc. but those are mostly Male. Females - they get a child at 18 (if they are 18, very often less (remember the grandmother at 33 whose daughter had a child at 12 years of age...)) and spend the following 7 years on benefits or get another child.
The sad part here is, that a lot of the 2nd generation migrants in this country (children of the initial settlers) who are british citizens have adopted exactly the same attitude. and I am not talking about the masses of Asians in this country, but for example, Belorussian or Ukrainian children.
I appreciate that I might be talking about the lower classes here, but, sadly, this is the bigger part of the population.
you should work for something to get something, not just sit at home and scratch you a-rse and receive some money for it.
Summing it all up - This all might end in another Belgian Turk problem where Belgium had to invite the workforce from Turkey to cover for the largely aging population and rapid industry expanse. All of them came to work for a year or two, but ended up staying and naturalizing as Belgian citizens. Belgium had to put a ban on Turkish immigration twice (90ties and 2000s), but because there were so many Turks there, they claimed family reunion visas and now there are cities with a 90% turkish population.
I would invite people to get over their blood rage and look around before blaming everyone else.
It is exactly as said above - this all comes from people abusing it too much. Sadly, it will take another generation to extinguish "this money for free issue" as people are just too used to it. look, even the author of the thread has used the word "money" more than any other word in his lexicon.
01 January 2015, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by netbeast
In my personal opinion, the issue with the UK is the British youth, that has been educated literally from birth that they do not need to do anything to receive something - i.e. benefits or what you, brits call - the lull.
I work in hospitality in a management position and believe me, it is SO hard to find a young britton who will actually work for the minimum wage and work their way up (even in a waiter's position where they get another wage in tips alone). They last for a month, maximum, just because the job center has sent them to work with us, they have done their deed, and go back on to benefits.
I am not talking about the youths who go and spend their time in apprenticeships for their 2 years etc. but those are mostly Male. Females - they get a child at 18 (if they are 18, very often less (remember the grandmother at 33 whose daughter had a child at 12 years of age...)) and spend the following 7 years on benefits or get another child.
The sad part here is, that a lot of the 2nd generation migrants in this country (children of the initial settlers) who are british citizens have adopted exactly the same attitude. and I am not talking about the masses of Asians in this country, but for example, Belorussian or Ukrainian children.
I work in hospitality in a management position and believe me, it is SO hard to find a young britton who will actually work for the minimum wage and work their way up (even in a waiter's position where they get another wage in tips alone). They last for a month, maximum, just because the job center has sent them to work with us, they have done their deed, and go back on to benefits.
I am not talking about the youths who go and spend their time in apprenticeships for their 2 years etc. but those are mostly Male. Females - they get a child at 18 (if they are 18, very often less (remember the grandmother at 33 whose daughter had a child at 12 years of age...)) and spend the following 7 years on benefits or get another child.
The sad part here is, that a lot of the 2nd generation migrants in this country (children of the initial settlers) who are british citizens have adopted exactly the same attitude. and I am not talking about the masses of Asians in this country, but for example, Belorussian or Ukrainian children.
One big problem with UK youth, which has been the seed of alot of issues since the mid 1990's is that they were brought up or "educated" ( to be better defined ) that they "deserve" more. I'm sure social "engineers" and teachers have good intentions, but they are ignorant to the damage they cause.
Sweeping streets, waiting tables and flipping burgers is not the image of reality that kids were given at school. They were taught that if they get a load of GCSEs they could be a high flying businessman working anywhere they wanted for big money. Sad fact is, easy to gain qualifications does not make a intelligent nor a good worker. The youth were and still are duped into believing this, and end up being brainwashed into thinking they deserve more, rather than work hard physical graft for it, its an extension of the MTV/Boomerang/Generation Y mindset.
Completing the questions correctly on a exam sheet with accompanied coursework does not equate to graft. Even at University degree level.
This is why you see British born adults shirking and refusing to do work that first generation migrants will jump at the chance...the UK born adults are (wrongly) educated to believe they are "better than that". And if they can't get better, instead of accepting it, they expect to be supported be it by state and/or by parents.
Having a child is another means to support their need or refusal to work in jobs they'd consider menial. Given the choice - clean toilets, or have a baby? I mentioned this in another thread : https://www.scoobynet.com/non-scooby...r#post11587699 and its a very serious real issue because every female child born into this circumstance, may in fifteen odd years follow the same path, creating a another generation of socially dysfunctional people.
If we don't sort out our indigenous population's delusional belief of entitlement to benefit (ANY benefit: be it maternity, child support, housing, job seekers or whatever), Without a migrant works force working legitimately, then this country's economy is screwed.
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I am aware that with what I am going to write below I might cause a lot of fire towards myself, but I would like to express my opinion (which might be unpopular) and experiences...
Me, being an immigrant to this country (and NO, i have NEVER EVER taken a benefit that is literally being thrown at you in this country, well, before 2014 it was like that), I find a lot of this discussion kind of insulting.
Do not get me wrong, I am not protecting the benefit abusing migrants who come here to make children and claim whatever they can, if anything, the government should revert to pre2011 where the new EU states that joined before 2004 were not allowed to claim anything unless they spent an x amount of years in the country and actually benefited the country.
People are discussing about leaving the EU, but at the same time cry that the population is growing older, workforce becoming smaller and having less employees to pay the taxes to cover for the aging population... How is reducing the work-force going to pay more taxes? for a 36 million people nation, the couple saved billions are not going to cover a trillion in debt...
One of the pillars of EU is - freedom of labor movement. Leaving the EU is not going to help the UK, if anything, the country is going to start feeling it in a couple of years...
A lot of people are just focused on that couple of billion bill that the UK is paying as membership fees, but do not see the big picture behind it.
I have experienced myself situations where I have been abused or almost gotten in to a fight just because I am in the wrong pub and accused of working for pennies while taking away the job of the Britton who would work, but not for that money. At the same time in this thread, there is a comment that the wages are relatively high and need to be reduced. Well, which is it then?
In my personal opinion, the issue with the UK is the British youth, that has been educated literally from birth that they do not need to do anything to receive something - i.e. benefits or what you, brits call - the lull.
I work in hospitality in a management position and believe me, it is SO hard to find a young britton who will actually work for the minimum wage and work their way up (even in a waiter's position where they get another wage in tips alone). They last for a month, maximum, just because the job center has sent them to work with us, they have done their deed, and go back on to benefits.
I am not talking about the youths who go and spend their time in apprenticeships for their 2 years etc. but those are mostly Male. Females - they get a child at 18 (if they are 18, very often less (remember the grandmother at 33 whose daughter had a child at 12 years of age...)) and spend the following 7 years on benefits or get another child.
The sad part here is, that a lot of the 2nd generation migrants in this country (children of the initial settlers) who are british citizens have adopted exactly the same attitude. and I am not talking about the masses of Asians in this country, but for example, Belorussian or Ukrainian children.
I appreciate that I might be talking about the lower classes here, but, sadly, this is the bigger part of the population.
you should work for something to get something, not just sit at home and scratch you a-rse and receive some money for it.
Summing it all up - This all might end in another Belgian Turk problem where Belgium had to invite the workforce from Turkey to cover for the largely aging population and rapid industry expanse. All of them came to work for a year or two, but ended up staying and naturalizing as Belgian citizens. Belgium had to put a ban on Turkish immigration twice (90ties and 2000s), but because there were so many Turks there, they claimed family reunion visas and now there are cities with a 90% turkish population.
I would invite people to get over their blood rage and look around before blaming everyone else.
It is exactly as said above - this all comes from people abusing it too much. Sadly, it will take another generation to extinguish "this money for free issue" as people are just too used to it. look, even the author of the thread has used the word "money" more than any other word in his lexicon.
Me, being an immigrant to this country (and NO, i have NEVER EVER taken a benefit that is literally being thrown at you in this country, well, before 2014 it was like that), I find a lot of this discussion kind of insulting.
Do not get me wrong, I am not protecting the benefit abusing migrants who come here to make children and claim whatever they can, if anything, the government should revert to pre2011 where the new EU states that joined before 2004 were not allowed to claim anything unless they spent an x amount of years in the country and actually benefited the country.
People are discussing about leaving the EU, but at the same time cry that the population is growing older, workforce becoming smaller and having less employees to pay the taxes to cover for the aging population... How is reducing the work-force going to pay more taxes? for a 36 million people nation, the couple saved billions are not going to cover a trillion in debt...
One of the pillars of EU is - freedom of labor movement. Leaving the EU is not going to help the UK, if anything, the country is going to start feeling it in a couple of years...
A lot of people are just focused on that couple of billion bill that the UK is paying as membership fees, but do not see the big picture behind it.
I have experienced myself situations where I have been abused or almost gotten in to a fight just because I am in the wrong pub and accused of working for pennies while taking away the job of the Britton who would work, but not for that money. At the same time in this thread, there is a comment that the wages are relatively high and need to be reduced. Well, which is it then?
In my personal opinion, the issue with the UK is the British youth, that has been educated literally from birth that they do not need to do anything to receive something - i.e. benefits or what you, brits call - the lull.
I work in hospitality in a management position and believe me, it is SO hard to find a young britton who will actually work for the minimum wage and work their way up (even in a waiter's position where they get another wage in tips alone). They last for a month, maximum, just because the job center has sent them to work with us, they have done their deed, and go back on to benefits.
I am not talking about the youths who go and spend their time in apprenticeships for their 2 years etc. but those are mostly Male. Females - they get a child at 18 (if they are 18, very often less (remember the grandmother at 33 whose daughter had a child at 12 years of age...)) and spend the following 7 years on benefits or get another child.
The sad part here is, that a lot of the 2nd generation migrants in this country (children of the initial settlers) who are british citizens have adopted exactly the same attitude. and I am not talking about the masses of Asians in this country, but for example, Belorussian or Ukrainian children.
I appreciate that I might be talking about the lower classes here, but, sadly, this is the bigger part of the population.
you should work for something to get something, not just sit at home and scratch you a-rse and receive some money for it.
Summing it all up - This all might end in another Belgian Turk problem where Belgium had to invite the workforce from Turkey to cover for the largely aging population and rapid industry expanse. All of them came to work for a year or two, but ended up staying and naturalizing as Belgian citizens. Belgium had to put a ban on Turkish immigration twice (90ties and 2000s), but because there were so many Turks there, they claimed family reunion visas and now there are cities with a 90% turkish population.
I would invite people to get over their blood rage and look around before blaming everyone else.
It is exactly as said above - this all comes from people abusing it too much. Sadly, it will take another generation to extinguish "this money for free issue" as people are just too used to it. look, even the author of the thread has used the word "money" more than any other word in his lexicon.
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I am aware that with what I am going to write below I might cause a lot of fire towards myself, but I would like to express my opinion (which might be unpopular) and experiences...
Me, being an immigrant to this country (and NO, i have NEVER EVER taken a benefit that is literally being thrown at you in this country, well, before 2014 it was like that), I find a lot of this discussion kind of insulting.
Do not get me wrong, I am not protecting the benefit abusing migrants who come here to make children and claim whatever they can, if anything, the government should revert to pre2011 where the new EU states that joined before 2004 were not allowed to claim anything unless they spent an x amount of years in the country and actually benefited the country.
People are discussing about leaving the EU, but at the same time cry that the population is growing older, workforce becoming smaller and having less employees to pay the taxes to cover for the aging population... How is reducing the work-force going to pay more taxes? for a 36 million people nation, the couple saved billions are not going to cover a trillion in debt...
One of the pillars of EU is - freedom of labor movement. Leaving the EU is not going to help the UK, if anything, the country is going to start feeling it in a couple of years...
A lot of people are just focused on that couple of billion bill that the UK is paying as membership fees, but do not see the big picture behind it.
I have experienced myself situations where I have been abused or almost gotten in to a fight just because I am in the wrong pub and accused of working for pennies while taking away the job of the Britton who would work, but not for that money. At the same time in this thread, there is a comment that the wages are relatively high and need to be reduced. Well, which is it then?
In my personal opinion, the issue with the UK is the British youth, that has been educated literally from birth that they do not need to do anything to receive something - i.e. benefits or what you, brits call - the lull.
I work in hospitality in a management position and believe me, it is SO hard to find a young britton who will actually work for the minimum wage and work their way up (even in a waiter's position where they get another wage in tips alone). They last for a month, maximum, just because the job center has sent them to work with us, they have done their deed, and go back on to benefits.
I am not talking about the youths who go and spend their time in apprenticeships for their 2 years etc. but those are mostly Male. Females - they get a child at 18 (if they are 18, very often less (remember the grandmother at 33 whose daughter had a child at 12 years of age...)) and spend the following 7 years on benefits or get another child.
The sad part here is, that a lot of the 2nd generation migrants in this country (children of the initial settlers) who are british citizens have adopted exactly the same attitude. and I am not talking about the masses of Asians in this country, but for example, Belorussian or Ukrainian children.
I appreciate that I might be talking about the lower classes here, but, sadly, this is the bigger part of the population.
you should work for something to get something, not just sit at home and scratch you a-rse and receive some money for it.
Summing it all up - This all might end in another Belgian Turk problem where Belgium had to invite the workforce from Turkey to cover for the largely aging population and rapid industry expanse. All of them came to work for a year or two, but ended up staying and naturalizing as Belgian citizens. Belgium had to put a ban on Turkish immigration twice (90ties and 2000s), but because there were so many Turks there, they claimed family reunion visas and now there are cities with a 90% turkish population.
I would invite people to get over their blood rage and look around before blaming everyone else.
It is exactly as said above - this all comes from people abusing it too much. Sadly, it will take another generation to extinguish "this money for free issue" as people are just too used to it. look, even the author of the thread has used the word "money" more than any other word in his lexicon.
Me, being an immigrant to this country (and NO, i have NEVER EVER taken a benefit that is literally being thrown at you in this country, well, before 2014 it was like that), I find a lot of this discussion kind of insulting.
Do not get me wrong, I am not protecting the benefit abusing migrants who come here to make children and claim whatever they can, if anything, the government should revert to pre2011 where the new EU states that joined before 2004 were not allowed to claim anything unless they spent an x amount of years in the country and actually benefited the country.
People are discussing about leaving the EU, but at the same time cry that the population is growing older, workforce becoming smaller and having less employees to pay the taxes to cover for the aging population... How is reducing the work-force going to pay more taxes? for a 36 million people nation, the couple saved billions are not going to cover a trillion in debt...
One of the pillars of EU is - freedom of labor movement. Leaving the EU is not going to help the UK, if anything, the country is going to start feeling it in a couple of years...
A lot of people are just focused on that couple of billion bill that the UK is paying as membership fees, but do not see the big picture behind it.
I have experienced myself situations where I have been abused or almost gotten in to a fight just because I am in the wrong pub and accused of working for pennies while taking away the job of the Britton who would work, but not for that money. At the same time in this thread, there is a comment that the wages are relatively high and need to be reduced. Well, which is it then?
In my personal opinion, the issue with the UK is the British youth, that has been educated literally from birth that they do not need to do anything to receive something - i.e. benefits or what you, brits call - the lull.
I work in hospitality in a management position and believe me, it is SO hard to find a young britton who will actually work for the minimum wage and work their way up (even in a waiter's position where they get another wage in tips alone). They last for a month, maximum, just because the job center has sent them to work with us, they have done their deed, and go back on to benefits.
I am not talking about the youths who go and spend their time in apprenticeships for their 2 years etc. but those are mostly Male. Females - they get a child at 18 (if they are 18, very often less (remember the grandmother at 33 whose daughter had a child at 12 years of age...)) and spend the following 7 years on benefits or get another child.
The sad part here is, that a lot of the 2nd generation migrants in this country (children of the initial settlers) who are british citizens have adopted exactly the same attitude. and I am not talking about the masses of Asians in this country, but for example, Belorussian or Ukrainian children.
I appreciate that I might be talking about the lower classes here, but, sadly, this is the bigger part of the population.
you should work for something to get something, not just sit at home and scratch you a-rse and receive some money for it.
Summing it all up - This all might end in another Belgian Turk problem where Belgium had to invite the workforce from Turkey to cover for the largely aging population and rapid industry expanse. All of them came to work for a year or two, but ended up staying and naturalizing as Belgian citizens. Belgium had to put a ban on Turkish immigration twice (90ties and 2000s), but because there were so many Turks there, they claimed family reunion visas and now there are cities with a 90% turkish population.
I would invite people to get over their blood rage and look around before blaming everyone else.
It is exactly as said above - this all comes from people abusing it too much. Sadly, it will take another generation to extinguish "this money for free issue" as people are just too used to it. look, even the author of the thread has used the word "money" more than any other word in his lexicon.
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My point is, as said above - too many people are actually abusing the system and as a result, the ones who need it the most, have to suffer. However, the main problem is/was that the access to benefits is just SO easy and the check-back procedures are/were practically non-existent. Just fill in a few forms and enjoy money in you account for the rest of the year and hope that HMRC (or whatever other institution) has made a mistake and continues paying. I have people in my circle of friends who have been paid tax credits for 2 years nonstop while not even being resident in the country, just having a valid UK bank account. Then they receive a threat letter from HMRC about paying back, but what can they do if the person never intends to return to the UK?
Hell, I even know a friend whose friend receives childcare benefits while actually living in Portugal, but uses the account of her friend, as she has 3 different cards, and then the friend transfers the money to Portugal. When I questioned it, the answer was - i know it is illegal, but she is intending to come back. How does that help the UK economy? But in portugal, living with parents and spending almost a grand a month for free, whoa, high life...
I am so tempted to report this, but where to...?
and because of this one (million) black sheep, the PR of hard working migrants is damaged and the people who are actually in need do not get what they need... (that still leaves the question open for the homebrew abusers)
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I never implied that your comments insulted me, but the fair few other comments in this thread and the general feeling for UKIP/leaving the EU (it was discussed here) and other not very educated or research based banter makes me a bit sick.
My point is, as said above - too many people are actually abusing the system and as a result, the ones who need it the most, have to suffer. However, the main problem is/was that the access to benefits is just SO easy and the check-back procedures are/were practically non-existent. Just fill in a few forms and enjoy money in you account for the rest of the year and hope that HMRC (or whatever other institution) has made a mistake and continues paying. I have people in my circle of friends who have been paid tax credits for 2 years nonstop while not even being resident in the country, just having a valid UK bank account. Then they receive a threat letter from HMRC about paying back, but what can they do if the person never intends to return to the UK?
Hell, I even know a friend whose friend receives childcare benefits while actually living in Portugal, but uses the account of her friend, as she has 3 different cards, and then the friend transfers the money to Portugal. When I questioned it, the answer was - i know it is illegal, but she is intending to come back. How does that help the UK economy? But in portugal, living with parents and spending almost a grand a month for free, whoa, high life...
I am so tempted to report this, but where to...?
and because of this one (million) black sheep, the PR of hard working migrants is damaged and the people who are actually in need do not get what they need... (that still leaves the question open for the homebrew abusers)
My point is, as said above - too many people are actually abusing the system and as a result, the ones who need it the most, have to suffer. However, the main problem is/was that the access to benefits is just SO easy and the check-back procedures are/were practically non-existent. Just fill in a few forms and enjoy money in you account for the rest of the year and hope that HMRC (or whatever other institution) has made a mistake and continues paying. I have people in my circle of friends who have been paid tax credits for 2 years nonstop while not even being resident in the country, just having a valid UK bank account. Then they receive a threat letter from HMRC about paying back, but what can they do if the person never intends to return to the UK?
Hell, I even know a friend whose friend receives childcare benefits while actually living in Portugal, but uses the account of her friend, as she has 3 different cards, and then the friend transfers the money to Portugal. When I questioned it, the answer was - i know it is illegal, but she is intending to come back. How does that help the UK economy? But in portugal, living with parents and spending almost a grand a month for free, whoa, high life...
I am so tempted to report this, but where to...?
and because of this one (million) black sheep, the PR of hard working migrants is damaged and the people who are actually in need do not get what they need... (that still leaves the question open for the homebrew abusers)
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