The only one bellyaching like a whining child around here is you

As I said either RTM the thread or STFU

LOL I'm not rising to it, only banter to me, he's fair game and he knows it.

I do it out of pity and for my own amusement tbh so he can frantically thumb through his latest purchase looking for his next pompous response.....

Said purchase

Great night of football,

wow, aguero, what a player (and Sanchez ain't bad)

You could say the same for F1 too with the FIA and Ecclestone.

Yeah but F1 doesn't have rival fans killing each other and other fans making excuses for it and accusing anyone who thinks it's a problem of being an idiot or childish or petty like some of the absolute ****s on this thread!

Do you honestly not think there is more to it, than just rival fans killing each other over just football? Maybe some sort of local rivalry comes into play, or racial 'tensions' within a section of supporters?

Just speaking of this country alone, even my club, over 50,000 people go there week in week out, that is just the people physically going to the matches. Consider those numbers across the country, is not inevitable that there may be a small amount of wrong'uns causing trouble in the grand scheme of things?

I'm not defending the sport, nor the actions of some people, I just think, if I'm honest, you may be being a little unfair suggesting that the sport should be banned due to the actions of what is a few in reality. And do you think if you removed the sport, that those very same wrong'uns wouldn't find another opportunity to meet up and cause problems?

No right minded individual beats someone or kills someone just because they support a different sporting team. Clearly this is an exception rather than the rule or there would be absolute hell on every week. That can only lead me to believe there is an underlying problem with certain people/between certain areas, and imo that wouldn't disappear with the banning of football.

You have in the past been known to defend people within certain faiths, in the same way as me, basically, don't tar everyone with the same brush, don't judge the many based on the actions of the few. So why does the same not apply to football supporters? To some extent, the two aren't poles apart. Followers of either view it as a major part of their lives, something they are passionate about and the bad in either, would still exist even if the sport/religion didn't.

All just my opinion.

Well said Lisa, your whole post is spot on but had to quote the above as it's the crux of the problem It's regional/gang thuggery where football is used as a way to get one over on 'the enemy'.

Look what happened in the recent Albania vs Serbia game. Purely down to the history between those two countries stirred up by a few who used football as a platform to stir up political tension. That's on a national scale but it runs all the way down to even local areas of the same city whether it be Manchester/London/Liverpool/Birmingham/Glagow or any other footballing city in the World.

To tar genuine football supporters who go to a game to hopefully see their club win and have an enjoyable time especially those who are there with young families with the same brush as the violent gangs using football as a status symbol is simply idiotic at best.

Football is the world's most popular sport with over 3.5 billion fans. A tiny fraction of football hooligans exist in the sport and thus you want the sport banned? That's like saying ban all immigrants or asylum seekers as a few have killed or comitted a crime or come here for benefits. You blame the media for being sensationalist and knee jerk, but here you are linking a news article from site you've accused many times of being a mouth-piece of a lying Government. Your whole arguement is idiotic and if you can't see that, then you're the one that is blinkered! You have fallen victim to your own arguement.

To be honest Lisa I am past the point of trying to have sensible debate about it and I have not tarred everyone with the same brush so why you and others say that is beyond me... I think you are just reading what you want to read into my post as I dared to criticise the 'beautiful game' (sic)!

I contest your assertion that it is little to do with the game and without wishing to post any more about it as the d1ckheads on here will just start again I will leave you with this.

I have been to three AFL games in Australia... you know the country full of crazy wild Aussies that like to drink and all that.... at all three games I have sat with up to 86,000 supporters of both sides mingled together all having a drink from bars at the back of the stands and there has been zero violence or even verbal hostility!

Bearing that in mind explain to me why if football does not have a problem the fans are segregated, drink is banned and the police presence is immeasurably larger at games than it was at any AFL game I went to!

But no... it's not the sport is it

So you are saying the death did not happen! What a fecking muppet! Anyway since the London thread you and I have nothing to talk about so go an annoy someone else with your trite little comments and made up stories!

that's because you are incapable of having a sensible debate with anyone.

This one is a classic from page 1:

Please post up evidence of where the sport promotes what you are claiming. FIFA is the World's governing body so please show where they are promoting violence and death.

And you think posting utter sh1te like that you are the one wanting a sensible debate and everyone else is wrong? Fvcking hell you are more up your own ar$e than anyone could have thought.

No, I have an opinion different to yours. Mine is borne out of having a high IQ and applying logic, Yours is borne out of being a football fan which is kind of the antithesis to mine! So how about you GFY!

LOL, I already made the same point several pages back in this thread, but he ignored me too, because in his words I'm "a person of little worth"

Same goes for the point that blaming the death of one spectator at the hands of a hooligan is like lumping together all Muslims for the 7/7 attacks (or all immigrants if just one of them knifes somebody in a pub, etc, etc).

The guy's either just a troll, or he really is that far up his own @r$e

And where exactly did I say that, how you came to that conclusion is delusional and warped? Again, you are your own victim, as you've stated; name calling (as usual) as you have no arguement.

If you don't like what I post, add me to your ignore list, I will continue to post how I see fit.

As we can clearly see, in this and many other threads, your logic is fuzzy at the best of times and only applies selectively. As for your high IQ, that is debatable.

He's been to 3 AFL games you games you know!!! so therefore makes him the all knowing god of sports

As will I .... Oh and learn to spell argument you illiterate ****

Three more than you so no matter what I am better qualified than you to make the comparison!

I prefer to think of this

wrong.......again . Next you'll be saying you're the only one on scoobynet to see afl games you idiot.

I'm a season ticket holder at forest so by your comparison I've been to more matches than you so you know nothing.

It's been 'noted'.

You've been to AFL... fair play to you, I didn't realise that Where did you go? MCG?

Hates football but knows everything he needs to know about football from the tabloids without actually attending any matches against people that actually do; more of F1_Fan's flawed and selective logic.

How do you know I have never attended any matches? Instead of trying to be a smart **** all the time you could do to deal in facts and logic yourself, if you're actually capable that is!

It was like the London thread where you and the other ****s all told me I knew nothing about London, but never bothered to ask where I was originally from..... that bit you on the **** too

And this is the exactly the same mistake you clearly made with Ant. How about you practice what you preach!

Again, making things up, I never said such a thing. Yes I don't doubt that you are a Londoner, since you said yourself Londoners are, I quote, stuck up, two faced and arrogant and you demonstrate this so proficiently.

I've only ever been to one football match, Micky has been to more and personal experience has been that I/he has witnessed no trouble at those matches. Based purely on experience, I could argue there is no real problem as I've not seen it first hand. I'm not going to, as that would be stupid. Of course there are troublemakers, and the above points re. police presence/banning of alcohol, displays there is a risk and those are measures to try and minimise it. I'd rather caution was exercised just in case, even though in reality, the police are not called into action all that often so far as I'm aware.

All I'm getting at, is when you consider the sheer number of fans attending matches, added to all of those unable to, the amount of trouble is relatively low. That is not excusing it as I said earlier, it just is the reality. Just as is the fact that sadly, arseholes exist that will find any opportunity to fight/cause trouble etc. and I do genuinely believe they'd still do so, even if football was wiped out.

It is the mindset of some people that is wrong, and the sport just provides a common ground in which these like minded people get together and go on to cause trouble. Do you honestly believe that if football didn't exist, that would cease, or that they'd just find a different common ground?

the last time I experience "trouble" at a match was when we beat Liverpool 2.0 last season

A scouser opened the back of the transit he was riding in and verbally abused me, and genuinely scared my 7 year old - as we were walking along the Holloway road

but I put that down to him being a scouser rather than a footy fan - the only aggression I have EVER come across in all my life throughout the world - has come from scousers, chippy w4nkers if you ask me

oh and the Tottenham supporters did get quite exited during the FA Cup defeat last year

Scousers generally do seem to be an angry race in my experience.

I've worked with 2, both of them were angry ******