I don't remember what the vinyl sound is like, surely it can be as detailed as the sound from a CD?

 

It's crackly and horrible after a few listens then eventually skips parts. Worse case scenario it gets stuck playing the same bar.

In all honesty it was truly ****e.

 

That's what I thought! Like you see in films. Thought I'd ask in case I was missing something.

It's really strange how vinyl hasn't died the same death as all other obsolete formats.

 

Talking to a lady I used to work with today and she asked me
if I wanted her record player as she's moving back to the
mainland, yes please said I.

Picking it up next week hopefully then will dig out my 808 State
and Cypress Hill.

 

Some releases suffered bad pressings/cut too and the listener could hear sibilance.

 

Its all about how we perceive sound .
An analogue sound wave is represented as a perfect sine wave , a digital signal has been clipped at 20 and 20,00 Hz respectively.
Although humans cannot hear outside this range , the intact analogue signal affects the harmonics of the perceived sound.
That is why vinyl will always sound better.
Check out the AV DesignHaus - $650,000 turntable

 

People who are saying vinyl sounds horrible have never heard a properly set up system, no point using a Woolworths own brand machine as a benchmark.

I use digital format as well ie CD and lossless files but vinyl still has it's own merits. What really saddens me is a generation that favours quantity over quality ie people who have 10,000 horrible, compressed downloaded songs that they only listen to through their phone. I wonder if they've ever heard the music the way it was intended by the musician.

It's also had a negative effect on music production imho. Music is now produced to a quality that is in keeping with it being heard in this way.

 

TBH sometimes listening to songs on CD for the first time that I've always loved through my cheapish but decent Sony ZX600 headphones is quite a disappointing experience. You hear things that weren't audible on Tape/Vinyl/Alba hifi and just think 'well that sounds crappy.'

 

Definitely OCD........ (Opposing Compact Discs)

 

Yes, but what level are your referring to - approx. value of equipment

 

Ok, I admit it takes a level of investment. My deck itself is not that expensive actually, I bought one of the very last SL1210s that had hardly been used for £400. I've then spent about £350 on modifying it ie new headshell, cart, external power supply, mat.

It sounds very very nice indeed, but then I do have quite expensive preamps, amps, speakers etc.

By audiophile vinyl junky standards the 1210 is frowned upon btw, but it suits me and my kind of music. It'll sound even better when I get around to changing the tonearm

 

These days that's not the case at all. People realised that it can sound superb when modified.

Links here:

http://theartofsound.net/forum/forum...he-Techiepedia

http://www.soundhifi.com/sl1200/index.htm

http://www.mikenewaudio.com/

Sadly the 1210 is now end of life, but modding them is very common place these days. Mine has a Jelco 750D arm, Mike New bearing. Denon DL103R cart, Sumiko Headshell. Isonoe Feet. Acromat mat, Timestep PSU.

 

They have released the Panasonic PLX 1000, so although the classic 1200/1210's are no longer made, this kind of replaces them.
For me though the 1210's are still number 1 for DJ'ing. The DMC still uses them in their competitions.


I don't think I could ever part with my vinyl, I listen to mainly old hardcore records from 89-93, and the price of some records is astonishing. Foul Play Vol 1 for instance I've seen sell for as much as £120 - expensive for what was originally about £5 in 92..

 

No we're talking! I also have the Sumiko headshell, Iso feet and Acromat. I've got a Jelco sat in a box but never got around to fitting it.

I've often thought about the MN bearing but the price has scared me off!

 

The direct drive nature of the SL machines makes them very special. Also the fact that you can alternate between 45 and 33 rpm with the flick of the switch rather than some 'audiophile' machines that require a spanner!

As for foul play? All I can say is

Finest illusion is a classic and their remix of Renegade Snares is a personal all time fave

 

Yer man - some great tunes, one of my fav's is the B Side on Tango's Project 1, Ratty used to cane that with Bad Influence - Sudden Imapct! I picked up a copy of Tango Project which came from the man himself (apparently) for a tenner
I got vol 2 foul play, vol 1 got borrowed/nicked unfortunately

 

Ideally you want an external PSU before the bearing, needs a little more juice from an external PSU IIRC. Loads of them around now

 

"Vinyl sales set a record". Isn't that assault or some such thing in the Vinyl world?

 

Well, that's OK, except for two things.

First off the sound as recorded digitally INCLUDES all your harmonics etc.

And secondly, the frequency bandwidth of ANY CD player is far superior to ANY cartridge yet built. Even my 5 year old Cyrus unit does 2-200,000Hz flat.

So talk of "clipping at 20Hz and 20kHz" is just nonsense.

 

Your upper frequency has an extra 0. should be 20,000Hz or 20kHz.

MY CD player:

Audio Performance (CD 8 SE2)
Output Level .................................................. ........................................2.1V rms
Output Impedance .................................................. .................................... 50Ω
Frequency Response .................................................. ..... 20-20,000Hz ±0.2dB
Channel Separation .................................................. ............... >124dB @ 1kHz
>103dB@20kHz
SNR (using silent track) .................................................. ..................... >110dBA
THD @ -10dB .................................................. ........................................ 0.005%
Disc compatibility .................................................. ................... CD Audio, CD-R


MY CARTRIDGE:

Technical data 2M Black / 2M Black Verso

Output voltage at 1000 Hz, 5cm/sec. 5 mV
Channel balance at 1 kHz 1 dB
Channel separation at 1 kHz 26 dB
Channel separation at 15 kHz 15 dB
Frequency range at - 3dB 20-31.000 Hz
Frequency response 20-20.000 + 2 / - 0 dB


Not much difference.

 

Yeah, except that the FR for CD players is quuoted deead flat...which it will be across 20-20000Hz.
That's NOT to say it is cut off below or above those frequencies, just that it starts to drop off above and below.

If you were to see a graph of that for a typical mc cartridge, it's certainly FAR from flat.

Also look at channel separation...at least FOUR times better for a CD player and S/N ratio is similar.

No comparison, really.

Next you'll be telling me that steam engines are actually better than electrics?

 

They sound better. !

 

Everyone loves steam trains.No one likes electric(except Deltics)

I know the numbers don't add up but it's the overall experience.
I was brought up on vinyl so it suits me & I have managed upgrade over the years to get a pretty good deck.I can't over-emphasise how much better a good deck is compared to a low-end deck but it is a precision instrument & needs really,really careful setting up.

I love my CD player too................
but mostly I love the music & that's what counts.