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Old 19 October 2014, 12:13 PM
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Have you messed around with the damping settings? You want as soft as it will go on the rear and hard up front
Old 19 October 2014, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by JGlanzaV
Have you messed around with the damping settings? You want as soft as it will go on the rear and hard up front
Just set 16 clicks back 14 clicks front. I read softer front fights over steer. Thought to be honest it's the back I've always had trouble with, steped out every chance.

Things are still a 5 year plan regarding the 11.9 I'm casually chasing times at the moment, spoiler removal and suspension tweaking will be a last resort.
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Originally Posted by RS_Matt
Just set 16 clicks back 14 clicks front. I read softer front fights over steer. Thought to be honest it's the back I've always had trouble with, steped out every chance.

Things are still a 5 year plan regarding the 11.9 I'm casually chasing times at the moment, spoiler removal and suspension tweaking will be a last resort.

Why would tweaking the damping be a last resort? The free stuff is always the stuff you do first. Take the spoiler off will help with terminal times and the damping will help with launch

It takes 3 seconds to go full soft on the rear and full hard on the front and will help your launch. Then you just put it back k when you are finished. Its all the little things like that that make a difference

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Old 19 October 2014, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by JGlanzaV
Why would tweaking the damping be a last resort? The free stuff is always the stuff you do first. Take the spoiler off will help with terminal times and the damping will help with launch

It takes 3 seconds to go full soft on the rear and full hard on the front and will help your launch. Then you just put it back k when you are finished. Its all the little things like that that make a difference
Got to remove the rear seat to tweak the rear on a Newage but I suppose I could get the adjusters fitted for little outlay.
Old 19 October 2014, 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by kevfawcett
I'd love to see some of your working out to come up with 30bhp = 300lbs

I can't even begin to get my head around how you've come up with them figures

It's safe to say, I'm not a fan of this project
I did a lot of research to come up with 10lb = 1bhp.

The formula slightly changes though as you increase or decrease weight.
Old 19 October 2014, 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by RS_Matt
Got to remove the rear seat to tweak the rear on a Newage but I suppose I could get the adjusters fitted for little outlay.
Well get it done Back at the start of my thread there is a picture of my car sitting down on the rear under launch that will show you the difference
Old 19 October 2014, 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by RS_Matt
I did a lot of research to come up with 10lb = 1bhp.

The formula slightly changes though as you increase or decrease weight.
The definition of formula - A statement, especially an equation, of a fact, rule, principle, or other logical relation.

You need to do more research.

I'd say you are missing lots of other important factors, such as drag…….
Old 19 October 2014, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by RS_Matt
And a 220lb driver doesn't help.

Like I say my tyres were full of mud and the track was damp and 11c, I spun considerably compared to summer runs.

I think 12.6 isn't a time I would have got in the summer. That said it took 30bhp to get from 13.7 to 13.3 and 35bhp to get from 13.3 to 12.6.

It's gonna take another 30bhp to be sure and in weight that is 300lbs.
You can't get from 13.3 to 12.6 with a 35hp increase, unless you were, previously, completely messing up the start.
When your 0-60ft are within 0.02 sec, on the same day, given the same conditions, then you're consistent. The very best are within 0.01.

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Old 19 October 2014, 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by kevfawcett
The definition of formula - A statement, especially an equation, of a fact, rule, principle, or other logical relation.

You need to do more research.

I'd say you are missing lots of other important factors, such as drag…….
Don't need to 1bhp per 10lb is widely accepted in the Scoob communities.

Originally Posted by 2pot
You can't get from 13.3 to 12.6 with a 35hp increase, unless you were, previously, completely messing up the start.
When your 0-60ft are within 0.02 sec, on the same day, given the same conditions, then you're consistent. The very best are within 0.01.
Don't forget boost went from 1 bar to 1.35 bar which meant exceptionally more torque across the revs.

TBH when I did my 13.3 in April my 0-60 foot was 1.89 and when I did my 12.6 last week it was 1.88 the latter having far more wheel spin.

An uneducated guess is if I had stickier tyres on a warmer day that time may have been pushing 1.7 - providing my wooden WRX gearbox could take it

Last year I could only manage 2.09

Basically been drag racing with 3 stages of power. All best times after a 5-6k launch

13.7secs 280bhp - 2.09
13.3secs 299bhp - 1.89
12.6secs 333bhp - 1.88 but spin.

Got timing slips to prove if need be.
Old 19 October 2014, 08:32 PM
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What 5 speed box?

TY754VN1AA in mine.
Old 20 October 2014, 08:15 PM
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Usually a sticker on the bell housing near the starter motor. Also on the plate on the N/S suspension strut.
Old 20 October 2014, 08:26 PM
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maybe that fake spoiler is providing so much downforce the diff's hit the ground and in turn the exhaust and pushed it onto the bumper and melted it.
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Originally Posted by fat-thomas
maybe that fake spoiler is providing so much downforce the diff's hit the ground and in turn the exhaust and pushed it onto the bumper and melted it.
The spoiler, scoop and Skirts are all OE STI.

I borrowed all the best bits from it.

EDIT: My gearbox is a TY754. AFAIK the box for the WRX 92-02 is the same 03-2014 is the same and the Hawk has it's own box.




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Old 20 October 2014, 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by RS_Matt
The spoiler, scoop and Skirts are all OE STI.

I borrowed all the best bits from it.
no the cheap bits, the best bits like the engine and gearbox you don't have but are what's required for proper bhp
Old 20 October 2014, 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by fat-thomas
no the cheap bits, the best bits like the engine and gearbox you don't have but are what's required for proper bhp
In all seriousness the Newy STI bottom end is probably the only thing I'd have off an STI now. Not a 2.5 unit though. At some stage my engine must fail. I still have the compression print out and got told the bore-scope revealed some serious scoring. Got told a repair would go beyond new rings or a rebore.

Not sure about the STI front spats, I've been torn for 6 years. You like the stealth look Tom, wanna swap bumpers
Old 20 October 2014, 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by RS_Matt
Don't need to 1bhp per 10lb is widely accepted in the Scoob communities.
Hang on, what?
Old 20 October 2014, 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by neil-h
Hang on, what?
I've been on an Alpen diet the last 3 months and gained 1.7bhp
Old 20 October 2014, 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by RS_Matt
In all seriousness the Newy STI bottom end is probably the only thing I'd have off an STI now. Not a 2.5 unit though. At some stage my engine must fail. I still have the compression print out and got told the bore-scope revealed some serious scoring. Got told a repair would go beyond new rings or a rebore.

Not sure about the STI front spats, I've been torn for 6 years. You like the stealth look Tom, wanna swap bumpers
also for drag times you need the six speed box that's why your terminal times are slow,the avcs would be a good addition too.
my bumpers no good for you mines been cut for an fmic and oil cooler,not the starter kit plonked above the engine

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Originally Posted by fat-thomas
also for drag times you need the six speed box
Why Dan? Other than it copes with more power?
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Originally Posted by mickywrx
Why Dan? Other than it copes with more power?
lower gearing,accelerates quicker
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Originally Posted by RS_Matt
I've been on an Alpen diet the last 3 months and gained 1.7bhp
Would it not be easier to take a load of laxatives when you need the extra power?
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Originally Posted by neil-h
Would it not be easier to take a load of laxatives when you need the extra power?
nooo
as you can see he is mostly full of ****.
he would disappear.
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Originally Posted by mickywrx
Why Dan? Other than it copes with more power?
He's trolling.
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Originally Posted by neil-h
Would it not be easier to take a load of laxatives when you need the extra power?
When I get closer to 11.9 the madness will increase.
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Originally Posted by RS_Matt
When I get closer to 11.9 the madness will increase.
I'd be careful, what with the law of diminishing turns being what it is. Young master Thomas' prophecy may actually come true.
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Originally Posted by neil-h
I'd be careful, what with the law of diminishing turns being what it is. Young master Thomas' prophecy may actually come true.
he loses/adds weight depending on time off day.

the lightweight carbon spoiler earlier in the thread has just become a genuine sti item above....
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Originally Posted by neil-h
I'd be careful, what with the law of diminishing turns being what it is. Young master Thomas' prophecy may actually come true.
He always says the opposite of the truth

"Matt fitted an STI spoiler" - already on the car
"12.9 is beyond Matt's WRX" - 12.6
"Matt's STI spoiler is fake" - OEM
"Matt say's he's aiming for 10's with 330hp" - How did he come to that conclusion from stating a 11.9 goal
"you can't hear a Turbo spool from over 40 yards away" - Heard AF's from 100 yard away.
"Matt had a carbon fiber spoiler earlier in the thread" - News to me.

...and the 'King Troll say's I'm full of BS lol.



Check out his trolling of the BRZ forum:

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Originally Posted by fat-thomas
lower gearing,accelerates quicker
More swapping cogs than with longer gearing though.

On my original JDM short ratio box I was into 5th at the end of the 1/4 mile.

Longer ratio box that's been fitted for ages I can cross the line in 4th.
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Originally Posted by mickywrx
More swapping cogs than with longer gearing though.

On my original JDM short ratio box I was into 5th at the end of the 1/4 mile.

Longer ratio box that's been fitted for ages I can cross the line in 4th.
I'm half way through 5th on a 1/4 mile run when I cross the line! That's on a uk blob 6sp the ratios aren't the best
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Can cams negate the need for a shorter box?


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