And there's me thinking Stalin was dead and gone!

 

Apparently contributing nothing is a social problem which needs solving.

Not said by me but the poster I was replying to.

 

Although ironically, "the state" sanctioning where and what you can buy seems, on some levels at least, pretty Stalinist

 

How to deal with 'the poor' has been an ongoing problem since industralisation in the 19th century. Specifically it becomes a problem with the enclosure acts where by ordinary people were kicked off common land and forced into cities. Capitalism can only be a limited solution to a problem it created in the first place.

 

does anyone seriously ask the question of when did this "benefit culture" appear

when did the notion that it could become a "lifestyle" become so prevalent

some communities have 3 generations that have never worked - crazy

not so long ago communities used to fight for a right to work, not to sit in front of a TV all day

understanding the problem, helps create solutions

 

3,2,1...and he's back in the room

 

There is very little dignity in menial or service sector work; it means you are a failure and a loser and it's all your fault. Your future is to work very hard for barely a subsidence, in conditions of insecurity and uncertainty. God knows when you could retire and what your retirement will look like. This the new Precariat.

 

So what about if you live in, say, Merthyr Tydfil, where the ratio of jsa claimants to vacancies is 32:1? This is the same area that had 30% of males of working age put on long term disability allowance by the Thatcher government after the pit closures because they didn't want them showing up in the unemployment figures. These men were declared surplus to requirements, and are now being demonised by people like you, who actually seem to believe what they read in the gutter press. Get a grip. The vast majority of benefit claimants are totally legit, and people just like you, not a different species.

 

Firstly I'll eply to TDW, to own the property they have worked to have the money to have that asset. They have paid taxes and have paid vat etc the same as everyone else. And will continue to do so on the income achieved through rent...

Now the quoted post -

They are humans, and to earn their benefit regardless of reason for been unemployed should be doing jobs that we do not have enough of/cant afford to get done, such as cleaning graffiti etc, if you want money you should be working for it. So they should be helping the

 

Firstly I'll eply to TDW, to own the property they have worked to have the money to have that asset. They have paid taxes and have paid vat etc the same as everyone else. And will continue to do so on the income achieved through rent... I am not going to respond to any further posts on this line of questioning as I know exactly where it is heading and it has been done to death by yourself and many others on here and we aren't discussing this....

Now the quoted post -

They are humans, and to earn their benefit regardless of reason for been unemployed should be doing jobs that we do not have enough of/cant afford to get done, such as cleaning graffiti etc, if you want money you should be working for it. So they should be helping the council in areas such as convenience cleaning, graffiti removal, etc. This leaves the councils workers free to do other tasks and have more budget to spend on other things, such as improvements in education, infrastructure etc. This will also make people care more about their environment and also remove the "scroungers" from the equation because they will either find a job they prefer or stop claiming....

The goverment is paying benefits, so we might as well get something for the money rather than let them sit at home all day contrributing nothing...

 

You can't eat taxes.

Like I said if your argument is that everyone must 'contribute', then manifestly someone living off the rent from an asset isn't. They have their hands in someone else's pocket just the same as 'welfare scum' in the final analysis.

 

Hello Tony!

 

To be fair i dont think it was his full manifesto,,,,,,,

 

Beetlejuice.

FFS, he could squeeze 'land grabbing capitalist' into a conversation about badger circumcision, I'm sure.

 

Easy

 

I used to find it annoying but I genuinely find it funny now, he makes me chuckle every time.

 

Just how many public bogs do you think are left in Merthyr? (and we don't call it graffiti in Bristol, we call it Street Art, and it sells for hundreds of thousands of pounds )
There are simply not enough jobs to go round in some areas. A lot of the jobs that are available don't pay enough for even basic needs, let alone any luxuries. Forget running a car. Maybe the media should be making a fuss about this, instead of whipping up a storm of ill-informed hatred for benefit claimants. Try living on what you would get in benefits for a month, then tell me you'd be happy cleaning bogs all day, whilst thinking about tax dodging by the rich, and private landlords raking it in for doing f all.

 

a large percentage of those benefits go to people in work btw

but maybe for the feckless rest we should bring back the "poor house" of the 17th and 18th century - now that would be progress tinged with "traditional" values

 

I have lived on considerably less....

If you don't want to go clean bogs then you can always go find a better or different job.. There are hundreds of thousands of jobs that need doing, that nobody does, scraping chewing gum off the street etc would be a never ending job but the council don't have the resources or money to be able to do it...

 

When I was a lad we used to suck the p1ss of the toilet floor.....

It is 2014 not 1897 you moron

Humanity put a man on the moon 40 years ago - some fvcking progress we have made since then

 

As someone who employs individuals, I would say that the majority of people I see as applicants for vacancies are simply unemployable.

Even though the job on offer is classed as 'unskilled' I won't employ someone who a) turns up late for an interview b) can't spell or provide a reasonably literate CV c) attends an interview dressed like a chav.

Only last week I had a 21 year old call in asking whether we had any work as he was desperate, admiring his initiative I offered him a days trial (paid) he simply didn't even turn up, no call, no text, nothing.

I'm sorry but life is too comfortable for some without having to work. No job means the following-

1. No car - get the bus or walk
2. No sky tv
3. No iphone - an argos payg will do fine
4. No overseas holidays - you haven't done anything to need one.
5. No designer trainers - asda do some nice footwear for under £10
6. No nights out on the **** - stay in like the rest of us.


So in response to the original post, good on you IDS - it's a step in the right direction.

 

Priceless!

 

+1

mb

 

Can we really see this scheme take off?

 

I never realised you were disabled. That ZZ Topp beard you were growing did make me suspicious, but ....

My missus is considered disabled by the NHS, who she works for full time, however, even with the NHS recognising this, she wouldn't be able to get disability allowances, a blue badge or even light duties. It makes me shake my head in frustration when I see her crawl through the front door in exhaustion after a day of dealing with benefit scroungers and losers at the hospital who have injured themselves doing stupid/illegal things, who should be working, yet she still manages to work full time, for little thanks, just so these plebs can be mobile enough to make it to the dole office to sign on again.

Make these ****s shop in Lidl or Spar - Aldi is too good for them - and make sure there is no way these ***** can spend the funds on the cards and then swap it with someone else.

Or simply, scrap all benefits. Survival of the fittest.

 

It's called devolution, isn't it?

 

All benefits?

Pensions?
NHS?
Education?

 

No, it's electioneering and nothing more. Typical Tory nonsense. Cameron even blamed Labour for the global financial crisis in his speech yesterday.

 

That's fine, see you in the Colosseum. Sword or spear?

 

I'm not sure who you're talking about. I've never used such rhetoric.