alcazar

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Scots and Welsh (I believe) get theirs fully funded, Scots certainly.

Mind telling me who you work for? PM if you like.

My lad couldn't get a single bean towards his costs.....

neil-h

Thing is they aren't Welsh. It's some sort of oddity in the systems that lets people apply for grants from the Welsh parliment if they've been a resident for more than a couple of years.

As for my employer, i'll drop you a PM. Though we did have people on my degree course funded by: Frimley park hospital trust, Schneider electrical, EnterpriseMouchel, Reading university facilities, the RAF and several electrical design firms.

Leslie

He has not got the authority, the ideas, the poke, or the ability to deal with it all!

Les

Mouser

You mention your son owing £85k by the time he gets his degree, how did you work out that figure?

Instead of going on about the Scots you should be finding out why they "get it ALL for free".

alcazar

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£85k:

Five years at £9000pa = £45000.
Five years at £8000 pa living, = £40,000.
Total = £85000. OK?

And WHY they get it is because THEIR government gives them it, while the West Lothian contingent came down here and voted for ours not to get it

Mouser

He could get a part time job to reduce this figure.O.K?

From their budget, nothing wrong with that.

Like for example when the Poll Tax was introduced into Scotland by English MPs before the rest of the U.K.?

If most English MPs wanted free university tuition for England do you think a few Scottish MPs would make a difference to the vote?

john1979

I got my Electrical BEng(Hons) whilst working full time and attending uni on day release, costs covered by my employer (fees,travel,hotel) so I guess I am lucky. Although this approach seems to be the norm from my local area as the major 3 engineering firms locally all sponsor their engineers and apprentices this way, my department alone has numerous people currently in part-time study.

alcazar

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I'll answer this one first: that approach relies on three things, none of which would help my lad.
1. There being employers locally who do it.
2. Him being employed by them as an apprentice etc.
3.Or having gone through sixth form, starting with them and working towards engineering.

My lad went to tech college, worked for ten years as a plater/welder and THEN decided he had had enough of "doing scut work for idiots" and wanted to be an engineer.

At that point, the chance of any help was, and remains, zero.

alcazar

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Yes, he could, and is trying...there's not lots of jobs in Hull, trust me....
Plus it can't be many hours as the degree course is pretty full-on, esp in the first year.





Never said there was.....and I'd like to see people going for degrees that we need, (engineering, dentistry, doctors etc) getting the same from the UK government.
Instead, they bring in a rule that limits their loans to FOUR years' study...so excluding anyone like my son, and dentistry and medicine



Ha ha...but I take your point.

Every time anything GOOD is introduced regionally, London and the SE get it first.
If it's something bad, they get it last.

We, in the north, know ALL about THAT, trust me....

And the West Lothian MPs all voted for English kids to pay fees, giving Labour the majority it needed.
Wrong, no?

Mouser

I hope he finds something.

Any debt for the professions you mentioned shouldn't be too difficult to pay back if sensibly managed.

I don't think that is entirely the case but never mind.

The Labour MPs voted as per party policy so I don't know what your point is.

alcazar

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That without the WL MP's they wouldn't have had a majority?

As for rolling out the good stuff, tel me one thing that hasn't been given to London first?

And the only thing I know of that they got last was analogue transmitters switched off last...meaning they had longer to buy digital TV's.

Mouser

I believe you are correct, however, you seem to forget the majority of the MPs were members of the Labour Party, they weren't a separate entity.

What do you mean by "good stuff"?

alcazar

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I know they were all Lying Labour, but the West Lothian question is really about should they be able to come down here and vote for English kids NOT to have grants, then vote up there for Scottish kids to have them?

Unfair.. my whole point.

But we have also moved this thread a LONG way from my original point, that Cam Moron SAYS he wants all UK kids in work or education, then makes it impossible for some to train as they need 5+ years funding and can now only have four

Chip

Welsh don't, my daughter is a student living at home, she gets just £600 a year from the Weslh Gov, not even enough to fund her weekend drinking is it?

Mouser

He is not a kid and had been working for 10 years so he is hardly going to be a priority.

ScoobyWon't

I'm serioulsly impressed she can drink £600 worth of booze in one weekend.

alcazar

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Wrong...he actually IS a priority, the government want mature type students in universities, because:
1. they open up a job for someone else when they go,
2. they have seen the alternative and will almost 100% get good degrees.
3. they want people to be able to better themselves.

Sadly, they once again **** up, since they ALSO insist on university League Tables, based on how many UCAS points the student has, and mature students often don't have many.

So catch 22: the universities would love as many mature students as possible, but if they take more than a certain amount, their League Table standing drops and foreign students no longer choose them. And they lose £££.

Talk about joined up thinking...you couldn't make this sort of stuff up

Mouser

Never heard that before.

alcazar

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Straight from an admissions tutor's mouth.
I rang to ask him what chance my lad had without "A" levels, (the lad was working 12 hour shifts at the time), and we had a long conversation during which he told me all that above.

neil-h

Oh give it a rest We've already covered this one, it's far from impossible and you know it. Besides the average bachelors degree is only 3 years, 4 if you take a year in industry (which these days is well worth doing).

alcazar

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So go on then, mastermind, tell me how Joe-in-the-Street gets funding for a five year dentistry or a five year medical degree?

Because those were the two I mentioned, NOT "an average bachelor's degree.."

neil-h

Always happy to help.

https://www.gov.uk/nhs-bursaries/overview

http://university.which.co.uk/advice...unding-england

Dingdongler

I funded myself through medical school with a variety of part time jobs ie underwear model, close quarter personal security operative etc.

Quite easy really

alcazar

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I've looked at that NHS site...Student loan again...but they DON'T mention it's only for FOUR years..which it is.

Ding, not sure if you are being serious.

Anyway, unsure why youse lot are arguing.

The FACT remains: Cam Moron says all should be in education or work, then lowers the number of years funding you can have...say one thing, do another.

john banks

The first three years of my five year course could have easily been squashed into two, and most university degrees could be squashed into two years and quite a few into one or less. The contact time in many degrees is five terms of no more than 10 weeks, often with only 10 hours contact. 500 hours over three years doesn't cut it, that gets done in 3 months in the clinical part of a medical course, and from what I saw the work involved outside the contact time was limited.

There should be more online/distance courses done whilst working, it should be the default rather than taking out years as a full time student.

hodgy0_2

Oxbridge is 3 8 week terms a year

But a pretty good ROI

john1979

If you are talking to 1 admissions tutor about getting a mature student on a course and you are told 'we would love more mature students' this doesn't become a fact and cannot be used as a base of your arguments imho (this happens to be a pet hate of mine when people list 'facts')

alcazar

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But what if two other admissions tutors told me the same thing?

And what if that has now increased to four more?

Do you have evidence that shows I'm wrong?

Maz

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Occupational hazard with alcazar unfortunately. He seems to lose objectivity in his haste to have a good moan.

alcazar

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And you haven't the sense not to dive in and make yourself look soft boy...again