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Old Oct 9, 2014 | 07:43 AM
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And let's not forget Apple Pay. Even Bill Gates says its a game changer.
Changed my game completely. It is so much quicker and easier than getting my cash or bank card out of my pocket.......
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Changed my game completely. It is so much quicker and easier than getting my cash or bank card out of my pocket.......
I think you're missing the point entirely, give it two years and you'll understand.
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maybe I am missing it. I am genuinely interested on how this can improve my life......if you can do it in a short paragraph without links to numerous sites then I will be grateful
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Old Oct 9, 2014 | 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Rob_Impreza99
To save me reading the whole thread, when you say "Game changer". Has apple added some new games on the iphone as i can't see much else that's changed ?
The "game changer" is how Apple's bendy iPhone has changed how all other phones are tested with the new "bend test", credit due where credit's is due.
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Originally Posted by mrtheedge2u2
maybe I am missing it. I am genuinely interested on how this can improve my life......if you can do it in a short paragraph without links to numerous sites then I will be grateful
It's not really, Jack just likes to say everything Apple do is a game changer.

In reality, it's not a bad idea but not much more than that. It just means if you happen to lose/forget your wallet/cards, then you'll be able to use your phone to pay for things like you would if you've got a contactless bank card.

That being said, personally i wouldn't want my credit card connected to my phone. Could live with it taking payment from iTunes as you can prepay that, so I could you use it as a just in case.
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Gimmick, just like the "health" apps

Im sure the faithful will suck it up though!
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Old Oct 9, 2014 | 08:25 PM
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Health monitoring needs a good shake up and the watch will do it. It's really big data and only Apple will be able to kickstart it, Google can manage it too but fragmentation makes it massively more difficult.
It will be interesting when the data starts finding its way to medical & life insurance companies


Works for car insurance
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Old Oct 9, 2014 | 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by neil-h
It's not really, Jack just likes to say everything Apple do is a game changer.

In reality, it's not a bad idea but not much more than that. It just means if you happen to lose/forget your wallet/cards, then you'll be able to use your phone to pay for things like you would if you've got a contactless bank card.

That being said, personally i wouldn't want my credit card connected to my phone. Could live with it taking payment from iTunes as you can prepay that, so I could you use it as a just in case.
Apart from the pretty huge fact that it's much more secure than a credit card.
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How so?
This is easy reading, but scratches the surface. http://www.macrumors.com/2014/10/09/...ank-liability/
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This is easy reading, but scratches the surface. http://www.macrumors.com/2014/10/09/...ank-liability/
Interesting. So it works on a similar basis to the card readers that several banks use with their online banking?
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Interesting. So it works on a similar basis to the card readers that several banks use with their online banking?
It should work using the same equipment. Fingers crossed it will be adopted by UK banks quickly.
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In case you needed reminding about all the great features that arrived on Apple Day.


Next Apple day coming soon. Great!
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Originally Posted by neil-h
It's not really, Jack just likes to say everything Apple do is a game changer.

In reality, it's not a bad idea but not much more than that. It just means if you happen to lose/forget your wallet/cards, then you'll be able to use your phone to pay for things like you would if you've got a contactless bank card.

That being said, personally i wouldn't want my credit card connected to my phone. Could live with it taking payment from iTunes as you can prepay that, so I could you use it as a just in case.
so basically a spare set of keys. WOW! That just changed my life.
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Old Oct 11, 2014 | 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by mrtheedge2u2
so basically a spare set of keys. WOW! That just changed my life.
Try not to comment on things you don't understand, other people reading the thread might see your reply as educated when in fact it's about as accurate as a silly putty ruler.
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Old Oct 11, 2014 | 10:24 AM
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Apple are simply taking advantage of the in roads that Google Wallet and Master card have made in contactless payments, nothing game changing about it. Samsung have been doing it since 2011. If they can get the timeing right, they might see greater adoption if they get buy-in from the merchants and banks and that remains to be seen. It won't even come to the UK until well into next year. In my opinion, it won't be a game changer since not everyone will have iPhone 6's. Whilst iPhone might represent a third of he mobile market, an even smaller proportion will be iPhone 6's whilst the majority is made up of iPhone 4's, 4S's, 5's, 5C's and 5S's that can't use Apple Pay. Apple Pay will just be another payment system to add to a list of other payment systems.
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Old Oct 11, 2014 | 10:51 AM
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LOL. You really don't understand what your looking at here "Samsung have been doing it since 2011" Big LOL for that one.

The Watch will enable Apple Pay on the iPhone 5 and up.

Just want to repeat, Bill Gates says it's a good idea, you know Bill Gates, founder of Microsoft, knows a good idea when he sees one.
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Old Oct 11, 2014 | 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by JackClark
LOL. You really don't understand what your looking at here "Samsung have been doing it since 2011" Big LOL for that one.

The Watch will enable Apple Pay on the iPhone 5 and up.

Just want to repeat, Bill Gates says it's a good idea, you know Bill Gates, founder of Microsoft, knows a good idea when he sees one.
Here's what you said about NFC on Android devices and next big thing Passbook.
No NFC thank goodness, it hasn't been adopted... come on tell me where you use it, and it's a security nightmare. Look into Passbook.
You can have the best payment system on your iDevices but Apple can't control quality of the payment system outside their control, ie, the payment terminals taking the payment and not everyone is going to buy a Watch.
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So a cynical ploy to flog the iwatch

I'm certainly not going to invest,when I can get a credit card for nowt.

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Here's what you said about NFC on Android devices and next big thing Passbook.


You can have the best payment system on your iDevices but Apple can't control quality of the payment system outside their control, ie, the payment terminals taking the payment and not everyone is going to buy a Watch.
That's right, NFC alone back then wasn't ready to be used as payment on mobiles, hence it went nowhere.

Passbook has been excellent, I fly BA quite a lot and it makes things so simple, it's a thing of beauty and I'm sure Apple Pay will be better.

You really should read more current things rather than searching for my comments, you'll learn a little about new terminals that will work with Apple pay and banks that love the idea.
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So a cynical ploy to flog the iwatch

I'm certainly not going to invest,when I can get a credit card for nowt.
No one is asking you to. Just as I very rarely carry cash and NFC card payment is common, soon enough I'll leave the card at home and use Apple Pay.
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Rush out an spend two hundred nicker on an iwatch just so you don't have to pull your credit card out your pocket isheep.

It'll even count how many steps you've taken to the pen and guessed how many calories you've lost
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Rush out an spend two hundred nicker on an iwatch just so you don't have to pull your credit card out your pocket isheep.

It'll even count how many steps you've taken to the pen and guessed how many calories you've lost
Are you Ginger? I hear that as well as no soul, Gingers have no imagination.
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Bit racist....!?!!

I should imagine they would avoid this because they have some imagination
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Originally Posted by JackClark
That's right, NFC alone back then wasn't ready to be used as payment on mobiles, hence it went nowhere.

Passbook has been excellent, I fly BA quite a lot and it makes things so simple, it's a thing of beauty and I'm sure Apple Pay will be better.

You really should read more current things rather than searching for my comments, you'll learn a little about new terminals that will work with Apple pay and banks that love the idea.
No one said NFC alone was used to make payments unless you're an iTard. Like Google Wallet, Apple Pay uses tokenisation technology for secure payment. Like I said, Samsung amongst other Android phones have been using NFC with Google Wallet since 2011, a system you dismissed as a security nightmare now adopted by Apple. Yes, some banks like it, but that is limited to a handful of US banks only, but why wouldn't they, I'm sure they'll receive fat fees on purchases with Apple Pay. Retailers on the other hand remain skeptical since each NFC terminal costs up to $500 plus the cost of operating the system. Sure you have a list of American stores signed up to it, but the list is even longer for retailers not opting for Apple Pay.

It is neither revolutionary, innovative nor game changing simply because it's just leveraging a system that is already in place. It is still using NFC at point of sale like any other payment system and tokenisation like Google Wallet and on a list of other payment systems like PayPal, Zapp, Amazon Payment, etc.

As we find increasingly, Apple will let the real innovators do the ground work, and then hop on the back of it to claim it their own. But they can keep Passbook, no one but yourself uses it and since you only mention the use of Passbook for BA, that's hardly game changing since you hardly use it for anything else
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Originally Posted by jonc
No one said NFC alone was used to make payments unless you're an iTard. Like Google Wallet, Apple Pay uses tokenisation technology for secure payment. Like I said, Samsung amongst other Android phones have been using NFC with Google Wallet since 2011, a system you dismissed as a security nightmare now adopted by Apple. Yes, some banks like it, but that is limited to a handful of US banks only, but why wouldn't they, I'm sure they'll receive fat fees on purchases with Apple Pay. Retailers on the other hand remain skeptical since each NFC terminal costs up to $500 plus the cost of operating the system. Sure you have a list of American stores signed up to it, but the list is even longer for retailers not opting for Apple Pay.

It is neither revolutionary, innovative nor game changing simply because it's just leveraging a system that is already in place. It is still using NFC at point of sale like any other payment system and tokenisation like Google Wallet and on a list of other payment systems like PayPal, Zapp, Amazon Payment, etc.

As we find increasingly, Apple will let the real innovators do the ground work, and then hop on the back of it to claim it their own. But they can keep Passbook, no one but yourself uses it and since you only mention the use of Passbook for BA, that's hardly game changing since you hardly use it for anything else
Why do spend your free time acting the fool? It'll haunt you later, pretty sure you said the iPad and probably the iPhone would be a flop, if I was you I'd spend an hour searching out the post, but in not, I'm happy with my choices and happy with the innovation from Apple.

Got to say this iPhone 6 is fantastic, Jony was right, it feels small.
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Originally Posted by JackClark
Why do spend your free time acting the fool? It'll haunt you later, pretty sure you said the iPad and probably the iPhone would be a flop, if I was you I'd spend an hour searching out the post, but in not, I'm happy with my choices and happy with the innovation from Apple.

Got to say this iPhone 6 is fantastic, Jony was right, it feels small.
Ad hominems aside , thanks for the advice, I guess you're more qualified than anyone on that point.
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Ad hominems aside , thanks for the advice, I guess you're more qualified than anyone on that point.
Yes I am, in 2007 I posted here stating that Apple would change everything. You had to be a fool to think that eh! Congrats to you though, runner up in the bonfire pissing competition.
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Yes I am, in 2007 I posted here stating that Apple would change everything. You had to be a fool to think that eh! Congrats to you though, runner up in the bonfire pissing competition.
Yes I'm sure you have and it's been downhill ever since You've given us such classics such as how 3.5" screen is the perfect size and not needing anything bigger, how phablets will never take off, that NFC was crap, etc etc. and here we are you with your bigger iPhone using with the larger screens that Android users have been enjoy for years, Apple have even relased a phablet themselves. Welcome to 2012.

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Originally Posted by jonc
Yes I'm sure you have and it's been downhill ever since You've given us such classics such as how 3.5" screen is the perfect size and not needing anything bigger, how phablets will never take off, that NFC was crap, etc etc. and here we are you with your bigger iPhone using with the larger screens that Android users have been enjoy for years, Apple have even relased a phablet themselves. Welcome to 2012.
That is all you've got? Apple use a bigger screen, definitely copying Android. I'm pretty sure that's rock bottom right there. Every time you look at a modern mobile device you recall that day in 2007 when Steve stepped on stage and changed everything. But Apple copied Android. So funny.
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I certainly do

What a bunch of pretentious fraudsters I thought , and nothings changed since


Bought an LG.
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