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Old Jul 24, 2014 | 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Maz
No, no attack just enquiring as to wether you were being obtuse or were obfuscated through a deficiency in literacy.
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Old Jul 24, 2014 | 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Maz
I'd refrain from engaging in battle, you're ill equipped.
Might is right .
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Old Jul 24, 2014 | 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
I believe this is being investigated now, as not only did they fire missiles in the initial strike, killing several boys

they then shelled the surviving children running for cover from warships off the beach

but there has been so many example they simply get forgotten
Yep, like the one where fired a missile from a helicopter gun ship to take out a guy in a wheel chair.
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Old Jul 24, 2014 | 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
I believe this is being investigated now, as not only did they fire missiles in the initial strike, killing several boys

they then shelled the surviving children running for cover from warships off the beach

but there has been so many example they simply get forgotten
You don't think mistakes happen in war?

It seems to me that you want to interpret everything Israel does in a bad light.

Who investigates when Hamas kill Israeli civilians? Has anyone been arrested for the murders of those three Israeli teens yet? Israel arrested people when that Palestinian kid was killed, he stands an infinitely greater chance of seeing justice.
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Old Jul 24, 2014 | 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
You don't think mistakes happen in war?

It seems to me that you want to interpret everything Israel does in a bad light.

Who investigates when Hamas kill Israeli civilians? Has anyone been arrested for the murders of those three Israeli teens yet? Israel arrested people when that Palestinian kid was killed, he stands an infinitely greater chance of seeing justice.
They seem to make an awful lot of mistakes...
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Old Jul 24, 2014 | 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by dpb
No other country in the world would be allowed to get away with it
Really? Russia killed something like 27,000 civilians in five weeks during the battle for Grozny in the mid 90's. Mexican cartels are killed tens of thousands per year. How many civilians died when we went into Iraq or Afghanistan? There are wars going on all the time. There is one in Syria right now and several in Africa. One in Ukraine. The US are droning people every week. Rebels and other drug cartels in South America. Yet Israel gets a laser beam pointed at it.

As awful as civilian collateral deaths are lets not make Israel an exception or we are hypocrites.

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Old Jul 24, 2014 | 12:32 PM
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Nearly all these examples are separatists trying to break away from the main plan, or just straight out crims

- and Iraq / Afghanistan was/is a misguided attempt to police the world


This is rather different imo
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Old Jul 24, 2014 | 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by dpb
Nearly all these examples are separatists trying to break away from the main plan, or just straight out crims

- and Iraq / Afghanistan was/is a misguided attempt to police the world


This is rather different imo
Yep, nothing to do with oil.

As with all these so called "Wars" just follow the money.
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Old Jul 24, 2014 | 12:46 PM
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This is all about Netanyahu trying to stay in power
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Old Jul 24, 2014 | 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
You don't think mistakes happen in war?

It seems to me that you want to interpret everything Israel does in a bad light.

Who investigates when Hamas kill Israeli civilians? Has anyone been arrested for the murders of those three Israeli teens yet? Israel arrested people when that Palestinian kid was killed, he stands an infinitely greater chance of seeing justice.
For someone so opposed to land as a possession you seem to be doing rather a lot of defending of land grabbers.
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Old Jul 24, 2014 | 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by ditchmyster
For someone so opposed to land as a possession you seem to be doing rather a lot of defending of land grabbers.
post of the week goes to ditch
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Old Jul 24, 2014 | 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by ditchmyster
For someone so opposed to land as a possession you seem to be doing rather a lot of defending of land grabbers.
Touche.
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Old Jul 24, 2014 | 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by jasey
Why would person B attack his own position
Because Maz isn't as smart as his altiloquent manner would be attempting to suggest
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Old Jul 24, 2014 | 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Devildog
Because Maz isn't as smart as his altiloquent manner would be attempting to suggest
If you say so.
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Old Jul 24, 2014 | 04:18 PM
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For the thickies that fail to grasp the premise of a straw man fallacy.

What Is a Straw Man Argument?

I always think of the Straw Man from the Wizard of Oz, but that's not where the term comes from. In its simplest definition, it's the name of a logical fallacy, which means that if you carefully dissect the argument or statement, it doesn't make sense. Debaters invoke a straw man when they put forth an argument--usually something extreme or easy to argue against--that they know their opponent doesn't support. You put forth a straw man because you know it will be easy for you to knock down or discredit. It's a way of misrepresenting your opponent's position.

It's as if you took a flaming scarecrow, threw it onto the debate floor, yelled “Look, it's my opponent's dangerous straw man,” and then you appeared to save the day by dousing the flames with water. All while your opponent mutters, “That's not my straw man. What just happened?”

It can be annoyingly effective because in response you may be lured into clarifying what your position is not instead of talking about what your position is, and studies have shown that when you repeat a lie, even if you are repeating it to refute it, the repetition can reinforce the misinformation in the minds of some people.
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Old Jul 24, 2014 | 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Maz
If you say so.
Originally Posted by Maz
No, no attack just enquiring as to wether you were being obtuse or were obfuscated through a deficiency in literacy.
Is that your "double irony" in play?
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Old Jul 24, 2014 | 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Devildog
Because Maz isn't as smart as his altiloquent manner would be attempting to suggest
If that's a real word, bonus points from me for style.
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Old Jul 24, 2014 | 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Devildog
Is that your "double irony" in play?
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Old Jul 24, 2014 | 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Matteeboy
If that's a real word, bonus points from me for style.
Just points Mattee ya cheapskate! He deserves a prize.
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Old Jul 24, 2014 | 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Maz
For the thickies that fail to grasp the premise of a straw man fallacy.

What Is a Straw Man Argument?

I always think of the Straw Man from the Wizard of Oz, but that's not where the term comes from. In its simplest definition, it's the name of a logical fallacy, which means that if you carefully dissect the argument or statement, it doesn't make sense. Debaters invoke a straw man when they put forth an argument--usually something extreme or easy to argue against--that they know their opponent doesn't support. You put forth a straw man because you know it will be easy for you to knock down or discredit. It's a way of misrepresenting your opponent's position.

It's as if you took a flaming scarecrow, threw it onto the debate floor, yelled “Look, it's my opponent's dangerous straw man,” and then you appeared to save the day by dousing the flames with water. All while your opponent mutters, “That's not my straw man. What just happened?”

It can be annoyingly effective because in response you may be lured into clarifying what your position is not instead of talking about what your position is, and studies have shown that when you repeat a lie, even if you are repeating it to refute it, the repetition can reinforce the misinformation in the minds of some people.
Is that person A's straw man or a Hamas terrorist **** ?
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Old Jul 24, 2014 | 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by jasey
Is that person A's straw man or a Hamas terrorist **** ?
It's the thick **** who fails to understand a simple concept.
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Old Jul 24, 2014 | 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Maz
It's the thick **** who fails to understand a simple concept.
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Old Jul 24, 2014 | 04:32 PM
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Old Jul 24, 2014 | 06:02 PM
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Can you believe it. , hamas hiding in UN shelter now

Whatever next
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Old Jul 24, 2014 | 07:04 PM
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https://www.justgiving.com/banny123/
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Originally Posted by Maz
It's the thick **** who fails to understand a simple concept.
I think a lot of what goes on in NSR has a lot to do with who's best with a keyboard and Google. Communicating through a keyboard or via text message is not natural and can sometimes be hard to read one another.

In the real world a lot of the loud mouths on here would be shot down and have no where to hide, you would be able to read the bulls**t in their face.

Modern day bullies that want to take some of their anger out on others because they feel frustrated that their life is not so good and prey on the nice as they see it as a sign of weakness.

You know the ones, they hate the successful and powerful and think everything is about money and see their ability to spell is a sign of their intelligence.

Trust those who seek the truth but not those who think they've found it.

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Old Jul 24, 2014 | 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by chris j t
I think a lot of what goes on in NSR has a lot to do with who's best with a keyboard and Google. Communicating through a keyboard or via text message is not natural and can sometimes be hard to read one another.

In the real world a lot of the loud mouths on here would be shot down and have no where to hide, you would be able to read the bulls**t in their face.

Modern day bullies that want to take some of their anger out on others because they feel frustrated that their life is not so good and prey on the nice as they see it as a sign of weakness.

You know the ones, they hate the successful and powerful and think everything is about money and see their ability to spell is a sign of their intelligence.

Trust those who seek the truth but not those who think they've found it.
It's a folly to argue with someone over the internet, I'm guilty of it myself I'll readily admit. Sometimes it's difficult to not interject and give one's tuppence worth. Hey ho, it's all good fun and I don't mind a bit of banter. I've met a lot of great guys off here and got to know countless others well, some sadly no longer with us. I think when an individual is behind a keyboard they will comment with a certain amount of impunity. That's what the keyboard allows, anonymity. Deference goes out of the window.
There are a few guys on here who I would like to meet. James (Taylor), Chris (F1 Fan), Hodgy and a few others. I wouldn't mind having a meal out with these guys. My biggest regret is the chasm that befell between James and I due to our political difference. I considered James a good friend and strangely part of me still does. I'm rambling now so I'll stop before I make an idiot of myself.
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Old Jul 24, 2014 | 09:04 PM
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I know the feeling Maz.

My former best friend who is a Hindu, the guy I let eat in my house, the guy I would do anything for is pretty much a member of Britain First now. It really is a shame as I can't believe I was dumb enough to relate to such a person. That's humans for you though.
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Old Jul 24, 2014 | 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Maz
It's a folly to argue with someone over the internet, I'm guilty of it myself I'll readily admit. Sometimes it's difficult to not interject and give one's tuppence worth. Hey ho, it's all good fun and I don't mind a bit of banter. I've met a lot of great guys off here and got to know countless others well, some sadly no longer with us. I think when an individual is behind a keyboard they will comment with a certain amount of impunity. That's what the keyboard allows, anonymity. Deference goes out of the window.
There are a few guys on here who I would like to meet. James (Taylor), Chris (F1 Fan), Hodgy and a few others. I wouldn't mind having a meal out with these guys. My biggest regret is the chasm that befell between James and I due to our political difference. I considered James a good friend and strangely part of me still does. I'm rambling now so I'll stop before I make an idiot of myself.
I'm not sure Hodgy would want to break bread with me, Maz. That aside, I'm happy to forgive and try to forget if you are.
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Old Jul 24, 2014 | 09:13 PM
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I'm not sure Hodgy would want to break bread with me, Maz. That aside, I'm happy to forgive and try to forget if you are.
I am. We've got a very, very finite time on this planet and spending it arguing and hating it is a waste. In as much as the internet brings us together it also pushes us apart.
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