Gaza
23 July 2014, 09:12 PM
#151
Scooby Senior
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Scotchland
Posts: 6,566
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Oh dear - Palestinians doing their best to alienate even the bleeding heart liberals !
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28450436
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28450436
23 July 2014, 09:32 PM
#153
Scooby Regular
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Mars
Posts: 11,470
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Oh dear - Palestinians doing their best to alienate even the bleeding heart liberals !
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28450436
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28450436
I think Israelis are doing a rather more convincing "alienation" job.
23 July 2014, 10:08 PM
#154
What do you mean 'the occupation'? The occupation of the occupied territories or the 'occupation' of Palestine by Israel period?
Nobody in their right mind wants kids to die, nobody in Israel is going to rejoice when Arab kids die. Otoh in Gaza you are a hero if you kill any Israeli.
Samir Kuntar was welcomed back to Lebanon as a hero after he killed a Jewish 4 year old girl on a beach in cold blood.
Hamas put human excrement and rat poison in their rockets.
Israel isn't perfect but some of its enemies are craven. I see nothing good to support there. They only stand for death.
Meanwhile Palestinian do suffer I don't deny that.
Stop demonising Israel, it is so obvious.
Nobody in their right mind wants kids to die, nobody in Israel is going to rejoice when Arab kids die. Otoh in Gaza you are a hero if you kill any Israeli.
Samir Kuntar was welcomed back to Lebanon as a hero after he killed a Jewish 4 year old girl on a beach in cold blood.
Hamas put human excrement and rat poison in their rockets.
Israel isn't perfect but some of its enemies are craven. I see nothing good to support there. They only stand for death.
Meanwhile Palestinian do suffer I don't deny that.
Stop demonising Israel, it is so obvious.
24 July 2014, 12:36 AM
#155
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Type 25. Build No.34
Posts: 8,222
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
It's easy to scoff at the rockets when it isn't you having sleep in a bed under their path, or having to run to the nearest rocket proof bus-shelter when the warnings sound (yes Israel has concrete bus-shelters for this reason).
I thought you were more intelligent than this Matt?
As soon as the topic of Israel comes up, otherwise sensible people start foaming at the mouth and reason goes out the window.
I thought you were more intelligent than this Matt?
As soon as the topic of Israel comes up, otherwise sensible people start foaming at the mouth and reason goes out the window.
I actually think Hamas are idiots for attacking Israel, as it give Israel a perfect excuse to do absolutely nothing about the settling the basic injustice of the situation.
24 July 2014, 03:06 AM
#156
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: I'll check my gps
Posts: 2,626
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Oh pleeeease cry me a ****ing river. A deep one! Deep enough to swim in.
Poor, poor Israel. Isn't it terrible to have rockets thrown at you when all you want to do is ethnically cleanse a place, bulldoze someone house and build one for gods chosen people instead. I mean... How dare the Palestinians have the ***** to fight back against a superior army.
Seriosly tdw - you really do need your head examined.
Poor, poor Israel. Isn't it terrible to have rockets thrown at you when all you want to do is ethnically cleanse a place, bulldoze someone house and build one for gods chosen people instead. I mean... How dare the Palestinians have the ***** to fight back against a superior army.
Seriosly tdw - you really do need your head examined.
24 July 2014, 06:53 AM
#157
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 10,329
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Oh pleeeease cry me a ****ing river. A deep one! Deep enough to swim in.
Poor, poor Israel. Isn't it terrible to have rockets thrown at you when all you want to do is ethnically cleanse a place, bulldoze someone house and build one for gods chosen people instead. I mean... How dare the Palestinians have the ***** to fight back against a superior army.
Seriosly tdw - you really do need your head examined.
Poor, poor Israel. Isn't it terrible to have rockets thrown at you when all you want to do is ethnically cleanse a place, bulldoze someone house and build one for gods chosen people instead. I mean... How dare the Palestinians have the ***** to fight back against a superior army.
Seriosly tdw - you really do need your head examined.
24 July 2014, 07:32 AM
#158
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 10,329
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
They aren't idiots, they know exactly what they are doing. It's about macho theatre and posturing. Irresponsible yes, stupid? No. It's bad politics basically.
24 July 2014, 07:44 AM
#159
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 10,329
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
24 July 2014, 08:00 AM
#160
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Birmingham
Posts: 2,482
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
So you are impressed by Hamas' swaggering machismo in 'having such *****', when the price of this theater (which keeps them in power) is the ruin of their own people? It's criminal irresponsibility on their part, putting their own power ahead of their own people. That you can't see this concerns me.
24 July 2014, 08:01 AM
#161
'The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position. This sort of "reasoning" has the following pattern:
Person A has position X.
Person B presents position Y (which is a distorted version of X).
Person B attacks position Y.
Therefore X is false/incorrect/flawed.
This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because attacking a distorted version of a position simply does not constitute an attack on the position itself. One might as well expect an attack on a poor drawing of a person to hurt the person.'
TDW school of debating.
Person A has position X.
Person B presents position Y (which is a distorted version of X).
Person B attacks position Y.
Therefore X is false/incorrect/flawed.
This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because attacking a distorted version of a position simply does not constitute an attack on the position itself. One might as well expect an attack on a poor drawing of a person to hurt the person.'
TDW school of debating.
24 July 2014, 08:07 AM
#162
Scooby Senior
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Scotchland
Posts: 6,566
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
'The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position. This sort of "reasoning" has the following pattern:
Person A has position X.
Person B presents position Y (which is a distorted version of X).
Person B attacks position Y.
Therefore X is false/incorrect/flawed.
This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because attacking a distorted version of a position simply does not constitute an attack on the position itself. One might as well expect an attack on a poor drawing of a person to hurt the person.'
TDW school of debating.
Person A has position X.
Person B presents position Y (which is a distorted version of X).
Person B attacks position Y.
Therefore X is false/incorrect/flawed.
This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because attacking a distorted version of a position simply does not constitute an attack on the position itself. One might as well expect an attack on a poor drawing of a person to hurt the person.'
TDW school of debating.
24 July 2014, 08:48 AM
#165
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 10,329
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Israel is a successful state with the most successful economy in the region. They have no need to bully anyway. Look elsewhere for those who scapegoat and dream of power fantasies.
24 July 2014, 09:06 AM
#166
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Birmingham
Posts: 2,482
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
No, you are just demonising them. No attempt at critical thinking, no reason, just paint one side as cartoon bad guys. Devils? Please...what next 'sub-humans'?
Israel is a successful state with the most successful economy in the region. They have no need to bully anyway. Look elsewhere for those who scapegoat and dream of power fantasies.
Israel is a successful state with the most successful economy in the region. They have no need to bully anyway. Look elsewhere for those who scapegoat and dream of power fantasies.
I really do wish Karma does not take you up on your words. A day might come where you are the Palestinian and someone else justifies the Israeli against you.
Oh and yes... I do view the actions of the IDF as sub human.
24 July 2014, 09:44 AM
#168
Scooby Regular
and "Generalise" - that males no sense in the context of your post
however, generally Israel kill 20 to 30 time the number of Israeli's killed by Hamas rockets
Last edited by hodgy0_2; 24 July 2014 at 09:49 AM.
24 July 2014, 09:57 AM
#169
Scooby Senior
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Scotchland
Posts: 6,566
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
24 July 2014, 10:19 AM
#173
Scooby Regular
But every time anyone says that Israel is our only friend in the Middle East, I can’t help but think that before Israel, we had no enemies in the Middle East
24 July 2014, 10:29 AM
#174
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Type 25. Build No.34
Posts: 8,222
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
more like 100 times
24 July 2014, 10:57 AM
#177
Scooby Regular
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Mars
Posts: 11,470
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Not only does Israel have all the gear, it also has an incredible PR machine; they seem to be masters of presenting their case as morally correct.
"It's Hamas' fault we fired missiles at some boys on a beach" being an example.
So ludicrous it's almost funny yet many fall for it.
"It's Hamas' fault we fired missiles at some boys on a beach" being an example.
So ludicrous it's almost funny yet many fall for it.
24 July 2014, 11:21 AM
#178
Scooby Regular
Not only does Israel have all the gear, it also has an incredible PR machine; they seem to be masters of presenting their case as morally correct.
"It's Hamas' fault we fired missiles at some boys on a beach" being an example.
So ludicrous it's almost funny yet many fall for it.
"It's Hamas' fault we fired missiles at some boys on a beach" being an example.
So ludicrous it's almost funny yet many fall for it.
they then shelled the surviving children running for cover from warships off the beach
but there has been so many example they simply get forgotten
