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Tonight the US has said the shelling of a UN shelter in Gaza is "totally unacceptable and totally indefensible". When the USA start criticising Israel I think all arguments are null and void. Will they take any notice though?
It's just Obama's administration trying to appeal to everyone ! He's worse than that **** Bliar !
No, but up to now they have been virtually silent! It's an interesting development! I don't think he's worse than Blair though. Not many people are!
This is an excellent article:
http://news.sky.com/story/1311134/wh...tied-over-gaza
The two biggest issues as pointed out - the split in who sides with who in the region with surprising supporters of Israel from Saudi, Jordan and Egypt and the unhealthy influence/control Israel has on US politics.
http://news.sky.com/story/1311134/wh...tied-over-gaza
On the day the White House said the Israeli military should do more to protect Palestinian civilians in Gaza, the US confirmed it had agreed to supply the same military with more ammunition.
The Obama administration has hardened its criticism of the shelling of a UN school in Gaza calling it "indefensible" and saying there is little doubt the Israelis were responsible.
"We need our allies in Israel," said administration press secretary Josh Earnest "to live up to the high standards they have set themselves". Meanwhile those same allies were being invited to help themselves to more of the US arms stockpiles in Israel.
Duplicitous double standards or another sign of the complexity of US-Israeli relations? Depends on your point of view.
There is no doubt the Obama administration is concerned and frustrated by Israel's conduct. There is also no doubt the administration will continue to support it to the hilt for as long as required.
Israeli soldiers stand at a staging area near the border with the Gaza Strip The US has agreed to supply Israel with more ammunition
Frustrated not least because of the trashing of the US Secretary of State John Kerry by Israeli cabinet ministers and media after his efforts to broker a ceasefire.
The Obama administration has not hidden its fury at the personal attacks on America's chief diplomat by senior members of the Netanyahu government.
The mounting civilian suffering is a concern to the US, for humanitarian and diplomatic reasons.
What's left of America's standing in the Arab world is further undermined by gruesome pictures of slaughter caused by US-supplied weaponry being fired into Gaza.
A lot has been made of the dysfunctional relationship of the two countries' leaders.
U.S. President Obama and Israeli PM Netanyahu tour a technology expo at the Israel Museum in Jerusalem Mr Netanyahu's less-than-smooth relationship with Obama is well documented
Bibi and Barack have had more than their share of differences, and none of the political intimacy of George W Bush and Ariel Sharon.
But these days Israel can take US support for granted far more than it could back then.
When Ariel Sharon wanted to send his military into Jenin refugee camp in the West Bank in 2002 he personally asked Bush to let him do so and give him enough time to finish the job.
The destruction in Jenin is nothing compared to what Israel has wrought in Gaza and it has done so without needing to ask for American permission.
There are many reasons for US support for Israel, some historic, others more current.
PALESTINIAN-GAZA-ISRAEL-CONFLICT-HAMAS Palestinians say more than 1,400 people have died in Gaza
The US-Israeli relationship is one of the fundamental constants of American foreign policy in the Middle East. With a region in ferment and in a state of flux, that is more important to Washington than ever.
The Israeli lobby is also hugely powerful in the US.
Capitol Hill has been called Israeli-occupied territory; such is the sway the Jewish state holds over US politicians.
Multifarious pro-Israel organisations, millions given to Israel supporters at election time and masterful use of the media all mean that is unlikely to change.
Israel has the same hold on everyday Americans as it has on politicians.
US public opinion has been overwhelmingly sympathetic to Israel since the second intifada when the Palestinians began blowing up women and children on buses and since 9/11, which hardened US attitudes to violent Muslims of any description.
Israeli soldiers carry a wounded comrade out of helicopter in Beersheba Fifty-six Israeli soldiers have died since the offensive began
More often than not the US media is inclined to accept the Israeli narrative.
Coverage of tunnels out of Gaza is a case in point.
When Israeli military PR shifted the focus from rockets to tunnels, US coverage followed.
Too much talk of rockets is a threat to Israel economically now the country's main airport is within range.
Israel now claims Hamas tunnels are their main casus belli.
There has been little questioning of Israeli claims they are a terrorist threat to women and children, when thus far they have only been used by Hamas militants for military purposes to target Israeli soldiers.
US support of Israel is mirrored by the attitude of some Arab nations in the region.
Egypt's recent ceasefire plan angered Hamas by including many of Israel's demands and few of the Palestinians'.
The Saudis and Jordanians are also quietly cheering the Jewish state from the sidelines.
Since the last major Israeli operation in Gaza the faultlines have shifted in the Middle East because of the deepening chasm among Muslims, between Sunnis and Shia.
On one side, Iran and its allies, the Assad regime in Damascus, and Hezbollah in Lebanon.
On the other Tehran's enemies in the Gulf and Egypt who are in no mood to help out Iran’s Sunni allies, Hamas in Gaza.
While much of the Middle East remains silent as the carnage continues in Gaza, Israel will assume it is carrying out the wishes of at least some of its neighbours.
Washington will continue dishing out carefully worded criticism if Israel keeps facing claims it has shelled children sleeping in UN buildings.
But it is not going to be reducing its support for its closest ally in an increasingly troubled region.
The Obama administration has hardened its criticism of the shelling of a UN school in Gaza calling it "indefensible" and saying there is little doubt the Israelis were responsible.
"We need our allies in Israel," said administration press secretary Josh Earnest "to live up to the high standards they have set themselves". Meanwhile those same allies were being invited to help themselves to more of the US arms stockpiles in Israel.
Duplicitous double standards or another sign of the complexity of US-Israeli relations? Depends on your point of view.
There is no doubt the Obama administration is concerned and frustrated by Israel's conduct. There is also no doubt the administration will continue to support it to the hilt for as long as required.
Israeli soldiers stand at a staging area near the border with the Gaza Strip The US has agreed to supply Israel with more ammunition
Frustrated not least because of the trashing of the US Secretary of State John Kerry by Israeli cabinet ministers and media after his efforts to broker a ceasefire.
The Obama administration has not hidden its fury at the personal attacks on America's chief diplomat by senior members of the Netanyahu government.
The mounting civilian suffering is a concern to the US, for humanitarian and diplomatic reasons.
What's left of America's standing in the Arab world is further undermined by gruesome pictures of slaughter caused by US-supplied weaponry being fired into Gaza.
A lot has been made of the dysfunctional relationship of the two countries' leaders.
U.S. President Obama and Israeli PM Netanyahu tour a technology expo at the Israel Museum in Jerusalem Mr Netanyahu's less-than-smooth relationship with Obama is well documented
Bibi and Barack have had more than their share of differences, and none of the political intimacy of George W Bush and Ariel Sharon.
But these days Israel can take US support for granted far more than it could back then.
When Ariel Sharon wanted to send his military into Jenin refugee camp in the West Bank in 2002 he personally asked Bush to let him do so and give him enough time to finish the job.
The destruction in Jenin is nothing compared to what Israel has wrought in Gaza and it has done so without needing to ask for American permission.
There are many reasons for US support for Israel, some historic, others more current.
PALESTINIAN-GAZA-ISRAEL-CONFLICT-HAMAS Palestinians say more than 1,400 people have died in Gaza
The US-Israeli relationship is one of the fundamental constants of American foreign policy in the Middle East. With a region in ferment and in a state of flux, that is more important to Washington than ever.
The Israeli lobby is also hugely powerful in the US.
Capitol Hill has been called Israeli-occupied territory; such is the sway the Jewish state holds over US politicians.
Multifarious pro-Israel organisations, millions given to Israel supporters at election time and masterful use of the media all mean that is unlikely to change.
Israel has the same hold on everyday Americans as it has on politicians.
US public opinion has been overwhelmingly sympathetic to Israel since the second intifada when the Palestinians began blowing up women and children on buses and since 9/11, which hardened US attitudes to violent Muslims of any description.
Israeli soldiers carry a wounded comrade out of helicopter in Beersheba Fifty-six Israeli soldiers have died since the offensive began
More often than not the US media is inclined to accept the Israeli narrative.
Coverage of tunnels out of Gaza is a case in point.
When Israeli military PR shifted the focus from rockets to tunnels, US coverage followed.
Too much talk of rockets is a threat to Israel economically now the country's main airport is within range.
Israel now claims Hamas tunnels are their main casus belli.
There has been little questioning of Israeli claims they are a terrorist threat to women and children, when thus far they have only been used by Hamas militants for military purposes to target Israeli soldiers.
US support of Israel is mirrored by the attitude of some Arab nations in the region.
Egypt's recent ceasefire plan angered Hamas by including many of Israel's demands and few of the Palestinians'.
The Saudis and Jordanians are also quietly cheering the Jewish state from the sidelines.
Since the last major Israeli operation in Gaza the faultlines have shifted in the Middle East because of the deepening chasm among Muslims, between Sunnis and Shia.
On one side, Iran and its allies, the Assad regime in Damascus, and Hezbollah in Lebanon.
On the other Tehran's enemies in the Gulf and Egypt who are in no mood to help out Iran’s Sunni allies, Hamas in Gaza.
While much of the Middle East remains silent as the carnage continues in Gaza, Israel will assume it is carrying out the wishes of at least some of its neighbours.
Washington will continue dishing out carefully worded criticism if Israel keeps facing claims it has shelled children sleeping in UN buildings.
But it is not going to be reducing its support for its closest ally in an increasingly troubled region.
Last edited by An0n0m0us; Aug 1, 2014 at 09:59 AM.
ISIS burn the Palestinian flag.
ISIS destroy Islamic heritage sites
Hamas does not.
This whole situation seemed similar to my dog in the pub tonight, my farty Terrier vs a massive (Alsation + 20 percent) Wolf Hybrid, the Wolf Dog swatted him to make a point and mine reacted, negatively, despite being massively over powered, this went on for a couple of hours.
Neither party can resist, due to being in such proximity, and so conflicted, having a go, they need to be say, 300 miles apart as a minimum. I am sure if we we didn't have the Channel we would be constantly wanting to batter the French.
This will never resolve itself, and I fear, rather than the usual flare ups ever five years, this will take a massively negative turn, there is way too much history now to come to any viable peace in the next 100 years.
Forget the Russians, this is where WW3 could begin.
Personally, I think the whole of the middle east is, sadly a lost cause.
Neither party can resist, due to being in such proximity, and so conflicted, having a go, they need to be say, 300 miles apart as a minimum. I am sure if we we didn't have the Channel we would be constantly wanting to batter the French.
This will never resolve itself, and I fear, rather than the usual flare ups ever five years, this will take a massively negative turn, there is way too much history now to come to any viable peace in the next 100 years.
Forget the Russians, this is where WW3 could begin.
Personally, I think the whole of the middle east is, sadly a lost cause.
This whole situation seemed similar to my dog in the pub tonight, my farty Terrier vs a massive (Alsation + 20 percent) Wolf Hybrid, the Wolf Dog swatted him to make a point and mine reacted, negatively, despite being massively over powered, this went on for a couple of hours.
Neither party can resist, due to being in such proximity, and so conflicted, having a go, they need to be say, 300 miles apart as a minimum. I am sure if we we didn't have the Channel we would be constantly wanting to batter the French.
This will never resolve itself, and I fear, rather than the usual flare ups ever five years, this will take a massively negative turn, there is way too much history now to come to any viable peace in the next 100 years.
Forget the Russians, this is where WW3 could begin.
Personally, I think the whole of the middle east is, sadly a lost cause.
Neither party can resist, due to being in such proximity, and so conflicted, having a go, they need to be say, 300 miles apart as a minimum. I am sure if we we didn't have the Channel we would be constantly wanting to batter the French.
This will never resolve itself, and I fear, rather than the usual flare ups ever five years, this will take a massively negative turn, there is way too much history now to come to any viable peace in the next 100 years.
Forget the Russians, this is where WW3 could begin.
Personally, I think the whole of the middle east is, sadly a lost cause.
That is kind of the point, they cant ever retreat and get on with it, it is like any scenario where people in conflict aren't able to back off.
300 miles, to me, is what you need to provide a decent distance that affords breathing space.
300 miles, to me, is what you need to provide a decent distance that affords breathing space.
One thing I can't understand. Why does India seem to he wholesale supporting Israel? Is it all due to religion? The beef they have with their neighbours?
I wish that Jews going to Israel to fight are treated the same as those Muslims who are going to Syria. Not that it would happen mind.
I wish that Jews going to Israel to fight are treated the same as those Muslims who are going to Syria. Not that it would happen mind.
This is where you cause yourself trouble thinking anyone leaving the UK to go and join ISIS fighting in Syria and Iraq is in the right. No they are not.
You made an assumption that because I'm Muslim I support ISIS or their beef. Again that's wrong. Stop assuming.
ISIS are scum funded by... Scum governments against the will of its people... Israel are also scum funded by a government against the will of its people.
Two cheeks... One ****
I never said Hoards of Jews. You made that assumption.
You made an assumption that because I'm Muslim I support ISIS or their beef. Again that's wrong. Stop assuming.
ISIS are scum funded by... Scum governments against the will of its people... Israel are also scum funded by a government against the will of its people.
Two cheeks... One ****
You made an assumption that because I'm Muslim I support ISIS or their beef. Again that's wrong. Stop assuming.
ISIS are scum funded by... Scum governments against the will of its people... Israel are also scum funded by a government against the will of its people.
Two cheeks... One ****
So the UK Government has been perfectly right to have those UK Muslims arrested on terrorism related charges. So if you hate ISIS you should be supporting the fact the UK Government is doing what it can to stop any UK nationals whether Muslim or not from going to fight in Syria.
I'm not assuming anything. You clearly have issues with how UK Muslims who have gone to fight in Syria have been treated by the UK Government. Who do you think those UK Muslims are going to fight with when they get there? ISIS and no one else.
So the UK Government has been perfectly right to have those UK Muslims arrested on terrorism related charges. So if you hate ISIS you should be supporting the fact the UK Government is doing what it can to stop any UK nationals whether Muslim or not from going to fight in Syria.
So the UK Government has been perfectly right to have those UK Muslims arrested on terrorism related charges. So if you hate ISIS you should be supporting the fact the UK Government is doing what it can to stop any UK nationals whether Muslim or not from going to fight in Syria.
Anyway that's another subject.
Any Jew going to Israel to join in the genocide should be treated no different to a Muslim lad going to Syria. One rule for all please.
Edit - make that anyone going to Israel to fight not only Jews.
Last edited by Shaid; Aug 1, 2014 at 11:37 PM.







