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Old Jul 31, 2014 | 10:06 PM
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Not sure why they even feel they have the right to step into Gaza at all

, certainly doesn't work the other way round
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Old Jul 31, 2014 | 10:15 PM
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Scraping the bottom of the barrell now!

http://iengage.uk.net/news/israeli-e...-social-media/

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Old Jul 31, 2014 | 10:39 PM
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Tonight the US has said the shelling of a UN shelter in Gaza is "totally unacceptable and totally indefensible". When the USA start criticising Israel I think all arguments are null and void. Will they take any notice though?
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Old Jul 31, 2014 | 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Tonight the US has said the shelling of a UN shelter in Gaza is "totally unacceptable and totally indefensible". When the USA start criticising Israel I think all arguments are null and void. Will they take any notice though?
The USA have criticised Israel in the past - That's not the same as actually doing anything about it.

It's just Obama's administration trying to appeal to everyone ! He's worse than that **** Bliar !
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Old Jul 31, 2014 | 10:51 PM
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The USA have criticised Israel in the past - That's not the same as actually doing anything about it.

It's just Obama's administration trying to appeal to everyone ! He's worse than that **** Bliar !
No, but up to now they have been virtually silent! It's an interesting development! I don't think he's worse than Blair though. Not many people are!
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Old Jul 31, 2014 | 11:09 PM
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Whilst the worlds head is turned toward Israel, I wonder what Iran are up to.
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Old Aug 1, 2014 | 07:55 AM
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Whilst the worlds head is turned toward Israel, I wonder what Iran are up to.
As previoulsy stated, please stick to facts on this thread not conjecture
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Old Aug 1, 2014 | 09:53 AM
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Not sure why they even feel they have the right to step into Gaza at all

, certainly doesn't work the other way round
Because of the constant rocket firing and the tunnels.
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Old Aug 1, 2014 | 09:57 AM
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This is an excellent article:

http://news.sky.com/story/1311134/wh...tied-over-gaza

On the day the White House said the Israeli military should do more to protect Palestinian civilians in Gaza, the US confirmed it had agreed to supply the same military with more ammunition.

The Obama administration has hardened its criticism of the shelling of a UN school in Gaza calling it "indefensible" and saying there is little doubt the Israelis were responsible.

"We need our allies in Israel," said administration press secretary Josh Earnest "to live up to the high standards they have set themselves". Meanwhile those same allies were being invited to help themselves to more of the US arms stockpiles in Israel.

Duplicitous double standards or another sign of the complexity of US-Israeli relations? Depends on your point of view.

There is no doubt the Obama administration is concerned and frustrated by Israel's conduct. There is also no doubt the administration will continue to support it to the hilt for as long as required.
Israeli soldiers stand at a staging area near the border with the Gaza Strip The US has agreed to supply Israel with more ammunition

Frustrated not least because of the trashing of the US Secretary of State John Kerry by Israeli cabinet ministers and media after his efforts to broker a ceasefire.

The Obama administration has not hidden its fury at the personal attacks on America's chief diplomat by senior members of the Netanyahu government.

The mounting civilian suffering is a concern to the US, for humanitarian and diplomatic reasons.

What's left of America's standing in the Arab world is further undermined by gruesome pictures of slaughter caused by US-supplied weaponry being fired into Gaza.

A lot has been made of the dysfunctional relationship of the two countries' leaders.
U.S. President Obama and Israeli PM Netanyahu tour a technology expo at the Israel Museum in Jerusalem Mr Netanyahu's less-than-smooth relationship with Obama is well documented

Bibi and Barack have had more than their share of differences, and none of the political intimacy of George W Bush and Ariel Sharon.

But these days Israel can take US support for granted far more than it could back then.

When Ariel Sharon wanted to send his military into Jenin refugee camp in the West Bank in 2002 he personally asked Bush to let him do so and give him enough time to finish the job.

The destruction in Jenin is nothing compared to what Israel has wrought in Gaza and it has done so without needing to ask for American permission.

There are many reasons for US support for Israel, some historic, others more current.
PALESTINIAN-GAZA-ISRAEL-CONFLICT-HAMAS Palestinians say more than 1,400 people have died in Gaza

The US-Israeli relationship is one of the fundamental constants of American foreign policy in the Middle East. With a region in ferment and in a state of flux, that is more important to Washington than ever.

The Israeli lobby is also hugely powerful in the US.

Capitol Hill has been called Israeli-occupied territory; such is the sway the Jewish state holds over US politicians.

Multifarious pro-Israel organisations, millions given to Israel supporters at election time and masterful use of the media all mean that is unlikely to change.

Israel has the same hold on everyday Americans as it has on politicians.

US public opinion has been overwhelmingly sympathetic to Israel since the second intifada when the Palestinians began blowing up women and children on buses and since 9/11, which hardened US attitudes to violent Muslims of any description.
Israeli soldiers carry a wounded comrade out of helicopter in Beersheba Fifty-six Israeli soldiers have died since the offensive began

More often than not the US media is inclined to accept the Israeli narrative.

Coverage of tunnels out of Gaza is a case in point.

When Israeli military PR shifted the focus from rockets to tunnels, US coverage followed.

Too much talk of rockets is a threat to Israel economically now the country's main airport is within range.

Israel now claims Hamas tunnels are their main casus belli.

There has been little questioning of Israeli claims they are a terrorist threat to women and children, when thus far they have only been used by Hamas militants for military purposes to target Israeli soldiers.

US support of Israel is mirrored by the attitude of some Arab nations in the region.

Egypt's recent ceasefire plan angered Hamas by including many of Israel's demands and few of the Palestinians'.

The Saudis and Jordanians are also quietly cheering the Jewish state from the sidelines.

Since the last major Israeli operation in Gaza the faultlines have shifted in the Middle East because of the deepening chasm among Muslims, between Sunnis and Shia.

On one side, Iran and its allies, the Assad regime in Damascus, and Hezbollah in Lebanon.

On the other Tehran's enemies in the Gulf and Egypt who are in no mood to help out Iran’s Sunni allies, Hamas in Gaza.

While much of the Middle East remains silent as the carnage continues in Gaza, Israel will assume it is carrying out the wishes of at least some of its neighbours.

Washington will continue dishing out carefully worded criticism if Israel keeps facing claims it has shelled children sleeping in UN buildings.

But it is not going to be reducing its support for its closest ally in an increasingly troubled region.
The two biggest issues as pointed out - the split in who sides with who in the region with surprising supporters of Israel from Saudi, Jordan and Egypt and the unhealthy influence/control Israel has on US politics.

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Old Aug 1, 2014 | 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
Unfortunately nobody cares about the plight of the Christians in Iraq, at the murderous hands of ISIS, because they just aren't trendy enough as a cause.

Hamas are made of the same stuff as ISIS by the way, the same ideologies and beliefs.
Incorrect.

ISIS burn the Palestinian flag.

ISIS destroy Islamic heritage sites

Hamas does not.
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Old Aug 1, 2014 | 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
Because of the constant rocket firing and the tunnels.
You never answered my question.

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Old Aug 1, 2014 | 10:03 PM
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This whole situation seemed similar to my dog in the pub tonight, my farty Terrier vs a massive (Alsation + 20 percent) Wolf Hybrid, the Wolf Dog swatted him to make a point and mine reacted, negatively, despite being massively over powered, this went on for a couple of hours.

Neither party can resist, due to being in such proximity, and so conflicted, having a go, they need to be say, 300 miles apart as a minimum. I am sure if we we didn't have the Channel we would be constantly wanting to batter the French.

This will never resolve itself, and I fear, rather than the usual flare ups ever five years, this will take a massively negative turn, there is way too much history now to come to any viable peace in the next 100 years.

Forget the Russians, this is where WW3 could begin.

Personally, I think the whole of the middle east is, sadly a lost cause.
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Old Aug 1, 2014 | 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Erick Rocker
I support Israel, Hamas are pathetic for breaching the truce.
In that case you are scum. I have no other words to describe you other than scum. That word alone is enough to describe you. I hope Karma don't take you up on who you support.
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Old Aug 1, 2014 | 10:11 PM
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300 miles !?


Theyre almost in the ocean as it is
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Old Aug 1, 2014 | 10:14 PM
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In that case you are scum. I have no other words to describe you other than scum. That word alone is enough to describe you. I hope Karma don't take you up on who you support.
Save it, you're only feeding a troll/alias.
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Old Aug 1, 2014 | 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by J4CKO
This whole situation seemed similar to my dog in the pub tonight, my farty Terrier vs a massive (Alsation + 20 percent) Wolf Hybrid, the Wolf Dog swatted him to make a point and mine reacted, negatively, despite being massively over powered, this went on for a couple of hours.

Neither party can resist, due to being in such proximity, and so conflicted, having a go, they need to be say, 300 miles apart as a minimum. I am sure if we we didn't have the Channel we would be constantly wanting to batter the French.

This will never resolve itself, and I fear, rather than the usual flare ups ever five years, this will take a massively negative turn, there is way too much history now to come to any viable peace in the next 100 years.

Forget the Russians, this is where WW3 could begin.

Personally, I think the whole of the middle east is, sadly a lost cause.
This IS where WW3 will begin. It already has depending on who you speak to. 9/11 was over Palestine. Bin Laden himself made it very clear his reasons for attack. Then the press changed it to 'freedom' and 'our way of life'.
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Originally Posted by dpb
300 miles !?


Theyre almost in the ocean as it is
That is kind of the point, they cant ever retreat and get on with it, it is like any scenario where people in conflict aren't able to back off.

300 miles, to me, is what you need to provide a decent distance that affords breathing space.
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Old Aug 1, 2014 | 10:19 PM
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Save it, you're only feeding a troll/alias.
One thing I can't understand. Why does India seem to he wholesale supporting Israel? Is it all due to religion? The beef they have with their neighbours?

I wish that Jews going to Israel to fight are treated the same as those Muslims who are going to Syria. Not that it would happen mind.
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Old Aug 1, 2014 | 10:28 PM
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I wish that Jews going to Israel to fight are treated the same as those Muslims who are going to Syria. Not that it would happen mind.
And what is your source to prove there are hoards of Jews from the UK going to Israel to fight?

This is where you cause yourself trouble thinking anyone leaving the UK to go and join ISIS fighting in Syria and Iraq is in the right. No they are not.
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Old Aug 1, 2014 | 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Erick Rocker
I hope Israel take over Gaza.
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Old Aug 1, 2014 | 10:42 PM
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Nobody cares
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Old Aug 1, 2014 | 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Erick Rocker
I do believe were being trolled
Yes, by you!!!!
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Old Aug 1, 2014 | 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Erick Rocker
great, now everyone thinks its me
Well you might want to wonder why that is
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Old Aug 1, 2014 | 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by An0n0m0us
And what is your source to prove there are hoards of Jews from the UK going to Israel to fight?

This is where you cause yourself trouble thinking anyone leaving the UK to go and join ISIS fighting in Syria and Iraq is in the right. No they are not.
I never said Hoards of Jews. You made that assumption.

You made an assumption that because I'm Muslim I support ISIS or their beef. Again that's wrong. Stop assuming.

ISIS are scum funded by... Scum governments against the will of its people... Israel are also scum funded by a government against the will of its people.

Two cheeks... One ****
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Old Aug 1, 2014 | 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Erick Rocker
I support ISRAEL
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Old Aug 1, 2014 | 11:22 PM
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don't be nasty to me,
Fvck off you ****
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Great, now fvck off
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Great, now fvck off
Crikey, I thought I could be direct
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Old Aug 1, 2014 | 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Shaid
I never said Hoards of Jews. You made that assumption.

You made an assumption that because I'm Muslim I support ISIS or their beef. Again that's wrong. Stop assuming.

ISIS are scum funded by... Scum governments against the will of its people... Israel are also scum funded by a government against the will of its people.

Two cheeks... One ****
I'm not assuming anything. You clearly have issues with how UK Muslims who have gone to fight in Syria have been treated by the UK Government. Who do you think those UK Muslims are going to fight with when they get there? ISIS and no one else.

So the UK Government has been perfectly right to have those UK Muslims arrested on terrorism related charges. So if you hate ISIS you should be supporting the fact the UK Government is doing what it can to stop any UK nationals whether Muslim or not from going to fight in Syria.
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Originally Posted by An0n0m0us
I'm not assuming anything. You clearly have issues with how UK Muslims who have gone to fight in Syria have been treated by the UK Government. Who do you think those UK Muslims are going to fight with when they get there? ISIS and no one else.

So the UK Government has been perfectly right to have those UK Muslims arrested on terrorism related charges. So if you hate ISIS you should be supporting the fact the UK Government is doing what it can to stop any UK nationals whether Muslim or not from going to fight in Syria.
I haven't got a problem with the UK gov apprehending someone going to Syria to fight. I have got an issue with our gov locking up aid workers who go to Syria. The governments argument is that by going to Syria one will be radicalised and come back then attack the UK. Well radicalization isn't a potion. You don't just drink something and become radicalised.

Anyway that's another subject.

Any Jew going to Israel to join in the genocide should be treated no different to a Muslim lad going to Syria. One rule for all please.

Edit - make that anyone going to Israel to fight not only Jews.

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