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29 July 2014, 12:45 PM
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Most of the bombing is taking place on the outskirts near the border (I checked the satelite maps). This is where the tunnels are and the rocket launch sites, plus Hamas hide rockets nearby in buildings like schools.
If you listen to western media you'd believe that the whole of Gaza City is subject to some scorched earth policy though.
If you listen to western media you'd believe that the whole of Gaza City is subject to some scorched earth policy though.
29 July 2014, 01:02 PM
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I can barely stand to watch the news at the minute. Last week we had Obama suggesting Putin be brought to account for a crime that no one has any proof he was directly involved in yet has he made a single damning comment about Israel's behaviour in Gaza?... Nope!
The video linked above is horrendous, surely if one nation in the world should understand why what their government is doing is wrong they should!
The video linked above is horrendous, surely if one nation in the world should understand why what their government is doing is wrong they should!
29 July 2014, 01:06 PM
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29 July 2014, 01:36 PM
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Blame Hamas for firing rockets all the time and digging tunnels to attack Israel. What did they think would happen?
As for human suffering being plastered all over our screens it is a propaganda technique called over-humanisation where you show kids crying and suffering basically. It is meant to elicit an emotional response, like the adverts for Oxfam etc on TV. That seems cold but only some conflicts are deemed to warrant this by the media.
At the moment ISIS are committing atrocities in Iraq, Syria, etc, we have wars in Ukraine and numerous conflicts in Africa including those Islamists in Nigeria doing awful stuff, and drug Cartels in Mexico killing 10,000's per year, ongoing internecine violence in Iraq to, but the get nothing like the attention Israel does.
As for human suffering being plastered all over our screens it is a propaganda technique called over-humanisation where you show kids crying and suffering basically. It is meant to elicit an emotional response, like the adverts for Oxfam etc on TV. That seems cold but only some conflicts are deemed to warrant this by the media.
At the moment ISIS are committing atrocities in Iraq, Syria, etc, we have wars in Ukraine and numerous conflicts in Africa including those Islamists in Nigeria doing awful stuff, and drug Cartels in Mexico killing 10,000's per year, ongoing internecine violence in Iraq to, but the get nothing like the attention Israel does.
29 July 2014, 04:08 PM
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Would you be happier if 1115 Israelies had died to? It would fit your definition of justice?
29 July 2014, 04:18 PM
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No, and of course it's never going to happen.
Isreal pretends its going eliminate hamas and all the rockets , but has taken the moral high ground in the meantime that collateral damage is perfectly acceptable
Is that reasonable?
Isreal pretends its going eliminate hamas and all the rockets , but has taken the moral high ground in the meantime that collateral damage is perfectly acceptable
Is that reasonable?
29 July 2014, 04:26 PM
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I don't even think they see it as collateral damage, kids are just another valid target in their eyes. Palestinian lives are worthless as far as they are concerned!
29 July 2014, 05:04 PM
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I'm just highlighting the the disparity in casualties of both side.
29 July 2014, 05:32 PM
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Why would you highlight the 'disparity'? You're obviously giving some meaning to it.
29 July 2014, 05:42 PM
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I think it very often obvious Tony believes the reasonable ratio is ten palies for every isrealii.*
Question is what does a real isrealii believe and of course teh rest of the world
Except apparently it's none of our business
Question is what does a real isrealii believe and of course teh rest of the world
Except apparently it's none of our business
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29 July 2014, 07:00 PM
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Israel is going after Hamas targets in Gaza and unfortunately some civilians are being killed as collateral damage, same as what we have done in basically every war we have fought...ever.
You obviously believe that it is purely some sort of reprisal, and on that basis all death ratios should be 1:1, then you would sleep soundly.
29 July 2014, 08:09 PM
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As for human suffering being plastered all over our screens it is a propaganda technique called over-humanisation where you show kids crying and suffering basically. It is meant to elicit an emotional response, like the adverts for Oxfam etc on TV. That seems cold but only some conflicts are deemed to warrant this by the media.
29 July 2014, 09:00 PM
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29 July 2014, 09:22 PM
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It's so much bollox though ,
Are you telling me routing out every hamas fighter possible. ?
No.
Because apart from anything else dozen converts have joined up for every "ordinary" pali blown up
Are you telling me routing out every hamas fighter possible. ?
No.
Because apart from anything else dozen converts have joined up for every "ordinary" pali blown up
29 July 2014, 09:25 PM
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Of course, the tactics of the are to blame too. But when you target a known designated UN compound filled with civilians seeking refuge, a line has to be drawn somewhere as to what can be deem simply as collateral damage.
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30 July 2014, 06:52 PM
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30 July 2014, 08:40 PM
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Though ideally 0 deaths and diplomacy is preferable, circa 1,000 deaths is quite low for such a densely populated place, looks like Israel have been careful in all honesty, not that anyone will recognise the fact as the World is extremely anti-Jew for some reason.
30 July 2014, 08:54 PM
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As for the world being anti-Jew...... it is precisely because the West is generally pro-Israel that they can get away with massacring women and children!
30 July 2014, 09:02 PM
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Maybe they do, but I don;t own one and think the notion of Israel being careful is laughable given the last couple of day's events.
As for the world being anti-Jew...... it is precisely because the West is generally pro-Israel that they can get away with massacring women and children!
As for the world being anti-Jew...... it is precisely because the West is generally pro-Israel that they can get away with massacring women and children!
So you've taken over Tubby's troll mantle, bet the wait for me to start posting again as been agony.
The West being 3 right-wingers from West Ham?
The West powers are scratching their heads, do we risk banking fiasco or hurting Islamic appeasement strategy?
30 July 2014, 09:07 PM
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No, the West being the likes of the USA and Europe who would rather impose sanctions on a country because they may have had something to do with a weapon used to down an airliner as opposed to upset the wealthy Jews of their countries by condemning Israel for crimes it definitely is committing!
No, the West are sticking their heads in the sand and hoping the violence stops soon! They are clueless as usual!
30 July 2014, 09:33 PM
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Bombing women and children in a school is okaythen ?