F1 - where is the thread?
Do you really think mercedes can be caught? i highly doubt it and even if they are by mid season they will be so far ahead they wont loose the lead.
i watch most motorsports, not just F1, and can say F1 is becoming the most boring of them all.
Rally cross and GT racing are growing strong now
i watch most motorsports, not just F1, and can say F1 is becoming the most boring of them all.
Rally cross and GT racing are growing strong now
Scooby Regular
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 4,430
Likes: 1
From: Away from this place
Sorry but the costs thing is a red herring, F1 is expensive end of! We have been hearing about cost cutting for over a decade and the problem remains. All this nonsense about limiting engines and gearboxes in the name of cost cutting is just damaging the sport.
The cost of developing an F1 engine vastly outweighs the cost of building one so let them have unlimited engines. Who wants to watch a sport where Friday practice is limited to a few laps because they only have four engines for the year. F1 should be about the best that can technically be achieved and not endurance racing.
As for this last race let's not panic, it was a dull one for sure, but there are sure to be a few ding dongs across the season and Ferrari will hopefully start to catch the Mercs. Anyway a two horse race, whilst not the best, is better than nothing and anyone who can call Bahrain last year dull does not, and never will, get F1.
If you think bike racing, Nascar, Aussie V8s etc. are better then great, go and watch them
The cost of developing an F1 engine vastly outweighs the cost of building one so let them have unlimited engines. Who wants to watch a sport where Friday practice is limited to a few laps because they only have four engines for the year. F1 should be about the best that can technically be achieved and not endurance racing.
As for this last race let's not panic, it was a dull one for sure, but there are sure to be a few ding dongs across the season and Ferrari will hopefully start to catch the Mercs. Anyway a two horse race, whilst not the best, is better than nothing and anyone who can call Bahrain last year dull does not, and never will, get F1.
If you think bike racing, Nascar, Aussie V8s etc. are better then great, go and watch them
This ^^^
Its costs millions more to develop an engine that has performance and longevity than it does to develop an engine that has performance but only lasts for race weekend and then manufacture 25 of them. That's where cost cutting comes in.
Give them more fuel (but retain a max amount per race to drive fuel effiiciency) and up the flow rates so the engines can rev higher and produce more power. Keep a rev limit but up it to, say, 20,000 rpm so we get the mental noise back. For efficiency lets stick with small capacity turbo engines but let them have from 4 to 12 cylinders and 1 large or two smaller turbos. Let them run variable driver controlled boost.
To keep the costs down keep the prohibition on exotic engine materials, provide them with a standardised hybrid system (to appease the environmantal aspect) and a single "control" fuel which can be branded as they want for marketing reasons.
Scooby Regular
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 4,430
Likes: 1
From: Away from this place
What they can't do is get them to work at higher power (or even produce that power) under current long life, low fuel use and flow parameters.
Scooby Regular
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 23,118
Likes: 150
From: Notts
But you said F1 is the most boring of them all which by implication means you find them all boring, but F1 the most boring which begs the question who in their right mind watches a sport if they find it boring especially several of them that they then grade into order of how boring they are and then feel the need to tell everyone on an Internet forum
Scooby Regular
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 1,915
Likes: 1
I have been following it since 1976, the audience has always waxed and waned over the years. It will sort itself out eventually one way or the other. I still enjoy it, but it is isn't as good as it was in the 70s and 80s IMO, then again I think you always look back on things with rose tinted spectacles to a degree.
Scooby Regular
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 23,118
Likes: 150
From: Notts
Don't get me wrong, i like F1, but when you see the others they do tend to generate more excitment, F1 needs to try to get back to that.
Even rallying isn;t what it used to be
Scooby Regular
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 1,915
Likes: 1
I have been following it since 1976, the audience has always waxed and waned over the years. It will sort itself out eventually one way or the other. I still enjoy it, but it is isn't as good as it was in the 70s and 80s IMO, then again I think you always look back on things with rose tinted spectacles to a degree.
Last edited by ReallyReallyGoodMeat; Mar 19, 2015 at 02:24 PM.
True, but in the 70s and 80s costs were different, you would get relatively cheap teams putting in a car for pre-qualifying (remember that?!), and races would be held cheaply at facilities which are pretty basic by todays standards, no safety standards, a smaller entourage, etc. I can't imagine the sport will ever go back to that, it will forever more be a massively expensive show to run compared to back then, meaning it will either have to stop the viewer rot, or it will implode in its own bull****.
In its current guise there is an argument for getting the engines a bit more equalised, but how that can be achieved to the satisfaction of all teams remains to be seen.
Yes I broadly agree with you, but With Bernie involved nothing will ever be simple.
Scooby Regular
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 23,118
Likes: 150
From: Notts
Scooby Regular
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 9,073
Likes: 0
From: My turbo blows, air lots of it!!
Scooby Regular
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 23,118
Likes: 150
From: Notts
F1 overcharging is starting to bite
Scooby Regular
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 1,915
Likes: 1
In spite of all the money sloshing around the sport, world-famous race tracks can't afford to host it, and teams can't afford to race? Something is very wrong with the sport, like I said, it'll drown in its own bull***t soon enough unless things change.
Edit: Just checked the Silverstone site; Weekend General Admission ticket is 75% higher than it was 4 years ago. Funnily enough there are plenty of tickets left.
Last edited by ReallyReallyGoodMeat; Mar 20, 2015 at 02:39 PM.
The simple answer is that the German GP has stopped being a money maker. There were plenty of empty seats last year and given the relatively few months to sell tickets neither Hockenheim or Nurburgring wanted to take the chance. Bernie is not going to worry when he has Arab states and the likes of Russia queuing up to pay him his stupid asking prices.
Pontificating
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 11,574
Likes: 9
From: Conrod Straight
Anyway even back then he was saying the amount of money they were expected to pay Bernie for the privilege of hosting the race took them 11 months earnings to recoup the monies paid to Bernie through the various buildings leased on the site and events held there, he even said that the food vendors, and other various stalls had to pay a percentage of their takings to Bernie.
Whether or not any of that was strictly true I cant say but it does make you wonder why any of the circuits would put up with being bleed dry for the prestige of hosting an F1 race.
FFS.
Scooby Regular
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 9,073
Likes: 0
From: My turbo blows, air lots of it!!
Fair play to Ferrari on that one, bet that lost a few folk a few quid at the bookies lol
Bet Alonsos a bit pi$$ed as well.
Bet Alonsos a bit pi$$ed as well.
Last edited by RA Dunk; Mar 29, 2015 at 09:50 AM.
Good racing!
If that's anything to go by we should be in for an eventful season
8 second gap as well! That's quite some margin when you consider how well Mercedes have been doing lately, they probably have more in reserve don't get me wrong but hopefully will mix it up a bit this season!
If that's anything to go by we should be in for an eventful season
8 second gap as well! That's quite some margin when you consider how well Mercedes have been doing lately, they probably have more in reserve don't get me wrong but hopefully will mix it up a bit this season!
Scooby Regular
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 9,073
Likes: 0
From: My turbo blows, air lots of it!!
Think Mercedes made a few blunders with they're tire strategies, even still I don't think the Ferrari would have been far away, hopefully Ferrari can mix it up a bit this season and break the Mercedes dominance.
