F1 - where is the thread?
06 October 2014, 03:43 PM
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FOM have pulled all footage from you tube now, but ther's a video here for those who want to understand what happened
https://www.facebook.com/#!/video.ph...type=2&theater
https://www.facebook.com/#!/video.ph...type=2&theater
06 October 2014, 03:49 PM
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FOM have pulled all footage from you tube now, but ther's a video here for those who want to understand what happened
https://www.facebook.com/#!/video.ph...type=2&theater
https://www.facebook.com/#!/video.ph...type=2&theater
06 October 2014, 04:48 PM
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IIRC it was the Japanese Grand Prix many years ago which gave Hunt the Championship. It was pissing down and many drivers pulled out including Ayrton who was still recovering from his fireball crash in the summer. But Hunt took his chances and slithered to victory.
The crash recovery vehicles should work from the other side of the barriers where possible. They can stretch out to lift a car out of the way.
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The crash recovery vehicles should work from the other side of the barriers where possible. They can stretch out to lift a car out of the way.
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Those type of recovery vehicles wouldn't be able to reach that far.
06 October 2014, 04:50 PM
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FOM have pulled all footage from you tube now, but ther's a video here for those who want to understand what happened
https://www.facebook.com/#!/video.ph...type=2&theater
https://www.facebook.com/#!/video.ph...type=2&theater
06 October 2014, 04:59 PM
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None of the tractor/jcb type ones would reach over the armco/tyres enough to lift a car out the way.
Bianchi didn't go off behind a safety cay.
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06 October 2014, 05:08 PM
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I stopped watching the F1 a few years ago, mainly because I found it boring. I much prefer the BTCC as there are more overtakes, bumping, scrapping and crashing than the F1. It seems that quite a lot of people have lost interest in F1 and if you watch the fantastic old clips on YouTube of what it used to be like, I can see why not as many people watch it these days. Regardless though, a big well done to Lewis.
It was far more satisfying to achieve a decent result without trying to hit another competitor or trying to force him off the track. Such a pity to see destroyed machinery too.
Most of the other people I knew never got any pleasure out of seeing someone crashing and /or smashing up their cars. Where on earth is the fun in seeing that sort of thing?
If you are responsible for producing your own competitive machinery, the reasoning behind that way of thinking is pretty obvious anyway!
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06 October 2014, 05:08 PM
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Leaving aside the fact they were not under the safety car at that point it can as the cars will still lap behind the safety car until the "safety car in this lap" message is displayed whereupon they will form up on the grid and undertake a five light standing start.
06 October 2014, 06:00 PM
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Shocking
Hope he makes a full recovery poor bàstard, Motorsport is a dangerous game as we all well know, heck half the entertainment on open track days is watching the mistakes, but wouldn't wish this on anybody
Hope he makes a full recovery poor bàstard, Motorsport is a dangerous game as we all well know, heck half the entertainment on open track days is watching the mistakes, but wouldn't wish this on anybody
06 October 2014, 08:40 PM
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IIRC it was the Japanese Grand Prix many years ago which gave Hunt the Championship. It was pissing down and many drivers pulled out including Ayrton who was still recovering from his fireball crash in the summer. But Hunt took his chances and slithered to victory.
The crash recovery vehicles should work from the other side of the barriers where possible. They can stretch out to lift a car out of the way.
dl
The crash recovery vehicles should work from the other side of the barriers where possible. They can stretch out to lift a car out of the way.
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I was going to comment about Massa rabbiting on about it being too wet, and say that he should have done what Niki did and pulled into the pits and got out the car.
Absolutely shocking footage, and I really do hope Jules pulls through. Regardless of the outcome, I can see there being changes to the recovery vehicles, likely cranes replacing them.
07 October 2014, 02:38 AM
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07 October 2014, 09:31 AM
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Replacing all the tractor type ****** vehicles with cranes would be impossible but I think we will see more cranes used.
Hopefully there won't be a knee jerk reaction to this totally freak accident and if anything changes it's well thought out. I personally don't see any problem with the system we have now.
Hopefully there won't be a knee jerk reaction to this totally freak accident and if anything changes it's well thought out. I personally don't see any problem with the system we have now.
07 October 2014, 10:16 AM
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Aside from the dreadful accident and injuries suffered by Jules Bianchi, this incident raises some interesting questions about how F1 proceeds from here on with regard to how safety measures are implemented and/or improved.
As above it would be too easy to draw up a set of potentially draconian measures to 'improve' safety in a knee jerk reaction in order to demonstrate that FOM and the FIA are on the case.
I'm sure the drivers will be at the centre of any discussions on what develops next in the field of safety. There will no doubt be calls for the safety car to be brought out should there be any need for recovery vehicles to venture beyond the crash barriers and into 'racing' territory. We have already heard reports that "Williams driver Felipe Massa says he was "screaming" his concerns about the conditions" and yet it appears he was on the wrong tyres for the prevailing and developing conditions. So what was foremost in Massa's mind at the time? Coming into the pits to fit the most appropriate tyres? Or staying out and maintaining his hard won position in the face of increasing risk to his own safety?
But what would a Hamilton or a Rosberg say to the prospect of having their hard won 10 second lead whittled down to nothing in an instant when the safety car appears because another driver has failed to manage an ongoing situation as well as they have?
I know that sounds harsh and uncaring in view of what happened to Bianchi and that isn't a true reflection of how I feel about drivers being hurt. But the fact remains that most of the drivers did manage to get around the track without major incident and Bianchi was incredibly unlucky to end up just where he did.
Racing drivers will race. It's in their DNA. They go to extraordinary lengths to be the best, almost regardless of what it might cost them. Anyone who thinks they do it for paltry reasons like money, as I have heard said many times, is merely delusional.
So do the govening bodies of F1 now introduce measures to protect the drivers from themselves and risk spoiling the show?
Niki Lauda has said "We get used to it when nothing happens and then suddenly we are all surprised when something goes wrong. But we always have to be aware that motor racing is always dangerous - and this accident today is a coming together of various different things. There could be a lesson learned that in the difficult conditions of today, in the race, that [the governing body] could have acted differently."
I think that is the way to go. Each racing situation has to be assessed on an individual basis according to prevailing race conditions and the safety measures in place at the race venue.
The alternative, as I see it, is to instigate a blanket safety strategy across the whole of motor racing, and not just F1, that will become more stifling in years to come.
As above it would be too easy to draw up a set of potentially draconian measures to 'improve' safety in a knee jerk reaction in order to demonstrate that FOM and the FIA are on the case.
I'm sure the drivers will be at the centre of any discussions on what develops next in the field of safety. There will no doubt be calls for the safety car to be brought out should there be any need for recovery vehicles to venture beyond the crash barriers and into 'racing' territory. We have already heard reports that "Williams driver Felipe Massa says he was "screaming" his concerns about the conditions" and yet it appears he was on the wrong tyres for the prevailing and developing conditions. So what was foremost in Massa's mind at the time? Coming into the pits to fit the most appropriate tyres? Or staying out and maintaining his hard won position in the face of increasing risk to his own safety?
But what would a Hamilton or a Rosberg say to the prospect of having their hard won 10 second lead whittled down to nothing in an instant when the safety car appears because another driver has failed to manage an ongoing situation as well as they have?
I know that sounds harsh and uncaring in view of what happened to Bianchi and that isn't a true reflection of how I feel about drivers being hurt. But the fact remains that most of the drivers did manage to get around the track without major incident and Bianchi was incredibly unlucky to end up just where he did.
Racing drivers will race. It's in their DNA. They go to extraordinary lengths to be the best, almost regardless of what it might cost them. Anyone who thinks they do it for paltry reasons like money, as I have heard said many times, is merely delusional.
So do the govening bodies of F1 now introduce measures to protect the drivers from themselves and risk spoiling the show?
Niki Lauda has said "We get used to it when nothing happens and then suddenly we are all surprised when something goes wrong. But we always have to be aware that motor racing is always dangerous - and this accident today is a coming together of various different things. There could be a lesson learned that in the difficult conditions of today, in the race, that [the governing body] could have acted differently."
I think that is the way to go. Each racing situation has to be assessed on an individual basis according to prevailing race conditions and the safety measures in place at the race venue.
The alternative, as I see it, is to instigate a blanket safety strategy across the whole of motor racing, and not just F1, that will become more stifling in years to come.
07 October 2014, 11:02 AM
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Massa has got to be one of the worst drivers in the wet so not surprised if he was whinging.
It's a non issue as far as i'm concerned, just one of those freak accidents, sure they should investigate to see if any simple improvements can be found but there is always going to be risk when a car goes off in the same place as another. If not the jcb then it could be a driver getting hit escaping from a previous accident.
It's a non issue as far as i'm concerned, just one of those freak accidents, sure they should investigate to see if any simple improvements can be found but there is always going to be risk when a car goes off in the same place as another. If not the jcb then it could be a driver getting hit escaping from a previous accident.
07 October 2014, 05:18 PM
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That article was very interesting on both topics of the medical and motor racing. Tbh I knew it wasn't going to be a good prognosis, how could it be? I agree with the motor racing side too.
08 October 2014, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by formerf1doc
I’m totally gutted, sickened, by having to ask you to go back to December and January’s posts for more about ICP if you’re interested. I don’t have the heart to go through this again. Not for another of our guys. Jeez.
08 October 2014, 12:08 PM
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hamilton has resigned for mclaren 
http://www.f1today.net/en/news/hamil...laren-for-2015
p.s. this is just rumor at the min
http://www.f1today.net/en/news/hamil...laren-for-2015
p.s. this is just rumor at the min
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