Osimabu

iTrader: (2)

And while I'm grumbling, people who say 'I'm loving...' whatever it is. What's wrong with 'I love...'?

Of course, it's what McSchite use in their adverts, with a lower case 'i' at the beginning just to compound the irritation, so I suppose it must be acceptable.

Carnut

I thought that variety is the spice of life. If everybody was well spoken then there wouldn't be "well spoken" .

mattstant

Wow lots of twisted knickers here.

What everyone forgets is that language is persistently and continually evolving.
Has anyone ever thought precisely why Chaucer's English is no longer the norm.

This is how language involves like it or not it is probably evolving faster than ever these days due to an increasingly shrinking world

Martin2005

my biggest pet hate

Fat Boy

If we want to be pedantic, then it should be " learn how to spell Shakespeare correctly" actually...

By the way, here's how the man himself spelt it:

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There are six surviving signatures written by Shakespeare himself. These are all attached to legal documents. The six signatures appear on four documents:

a deposition in the Bellott v. Mountjoy case, dated May 11, 1612
the purchase of a house in Blackfriars, London, dated March 10, 1613
the mortgage of the same house, dated March 11, 1613
his Last Will & Testament, which contains three signatures, one on each page, dated March 25, 1616
The signatures appear as follows:

Willm Shakp
William Shaksper
Wm Shakspe
William Shakspere
Willm Shakspere
By me William Shakspeare

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Not sure where that leaves your point, but hey ho

David Lock

Absolutely......

Turbohot

It leaves my point at what's most acceptable in the literature as his name. I wasn't being pedantic. I don't qualify for it being pretty rough with my own spellings. I was just pulling the OP's leg, as I said before. However, Shakespeare is more well-known as Shakespeare, and I haven't made that up. This spelling was already in place as 'well-known' before I knew anything about the cryptic old man.

Turbohot

Incorrect.

We know it's evolving. But there's a limit you could deform a perfectly good language. Making mockery of it by inventing stupid crutches with already existing words and expressions e.g. like............like.............like............. and so..........so............so............ is just taking a pith. That's nothing to do with world shrinking. That's more to do with people not wanting to speak properly.

It's not that it gets my goat bleating or anything, but it just looks bad on the speakers. They can go on and on with their like....... and so.......... for a mile if they like..............like!

ditchmyster

iTrader: (7)

Mine is, "You know what I mean" of course I know what you mean English is my first ******* language.

Turbohot

This is another one of my annoyances. I feel like saying- "No! I don't know what you mean, and I don't want to know what you mean. Now, do one in the opposite direction!

I think these people with such crutches have a form of Tourette's. They just can't help themselves.

dpb

No wat yer meen

Fat Boy

Calm down dear - I was just pulling your leg as well. However, I was also just pointing out that even he spelt it 6 different ways that we know about so I'm not sure that you or I can actually tell everyone what the correct spelling is and have a foot to stand on.

"To e or not to e, that is the question"

Turbohot

You can question whether to 'e' or pee all you like , but I stand by what I said in my post that you quoted>


'Shakespeare' is the most seen and acceptable spelling in all known English literature. My daughter confirms it for me who is just about to graduate with English double honours degree.

Carnut

Come on Turbohot you were being a bit of a show off at the expense of somebody else ( me being one of them) and its backfired a bit. . Know take the morel high ground and admit your mistakes.

P.s please don't pick up on my mistakes, you've done this already.

ditchmyster

iTrader: (7)

So the moral of the story is, don't throw stones in the green house. ya get mi

Carnut

Turbohot

LOL what's moral high ground got to do with how to spell correctly?

Nothing has backfired, nor have I made any mistake by favouring the correct spelling of 'Shakespeare'. You and others know that all other spellings for 'Shakespeare' are neither used nor acceptable in the literature. Bringing up and throwing about an obscure piece of information doesn't justify writing 'Shakespeare' in the way you want.

If you want to hopelessly justify making a right mess of English, you do that. I don't care. I'll keep with the right ways as much as I can. Each to their own.

Turbohot

The moral of the story is that there are some people that will do anything to justify their mistakes in something as simple and obvious as English language i.e. their very own mother tongue. They could do with taking the chip off their shoulder and humble down a bit, but no!

I was only discussing 'Shakespeare' spelling, and I'm being called a show off. Unbelievable! Anyway, Write anything the way you like. You certainly won't look like Shakespeare when you do that.

You means anyone, by the way. Not you.

ditchmyster

iTrader: (7)

Swati, your like a dog with a bone, won't let go for love nor money.

Turbohot

Do I need to? On an issue as fool proof as that?

Not that it makes me any superior than anyone else, but one thing is there that it has gathered unnecessarily defensive posts once again as usual here on SN for sod all. This happens in the subjects like religion, now it's happening in this thread on the use of English language.

What's wrong is wrong. End of. If people don't want to accept it, it's up to them. I won't rotate in my office chair over it. My bone is my bone, and I'm entitled to that. Not unreasonably and defiantly, though. Like some are; here.

Fat Boy

Oooh, the irony.

You are the one who pulled up the OP on his use of English.

Physician, heal thyself.

Turbohot

And?

When and where did I say I didn't?

He pulled up the C4s Sunday brunch presenter, and I pulled him up. Then Chris JT gave some details from goodness knows where about the variants of 'Shakespeare' name. Then you came in and expanded on the same. Big deal.

Sure, point out where. I shall do my utmost; unlike some resistant ones that can't do because they won't do. I'll take no offence of you correcting my English, like some do. Not that I pull up people for their spellings all the time- not at all.

Why are people being so sensitive over being corrected on the spelling of 'Shakespeare'? What's wrong with you guys?

ditchmyster

iTrader: (7)

Passive agressive.

Carnut

Turbohot

There's a huge difference between passive aggression and assertion. The ones applying oppression to curb rational assertion would often label it as passive aggression. Whatever floats yours and Chris JT's boat, eh. If it makes you feel better, why not.

By the way, I didn't realise how much it would hurt some people to be pointed out with their spelling mistakes; even in banter. Big ego and small mind.

ditchmyster

iTrader: (7)

Ditto.

sometimes it's so easy it's not fair.

Turbohot

No, not fair at all.

Although there're different sorts of wind ups. One is to do in defence to heal your bruised ego, which is done repeatedly with any silly and illogical comment laced with and thrown at the other party to put them down, and by laughing your head off repeatedly to support such silly comments; like Chris JT is doing with yours. It's clear that me correcting him with his 'wright' has wounded him like something chronic. Another type of wind-up is for plain and innocent joke; not really to insult anyone for their unintentional mistake or even their lack of education.

As I say, whatever heals you and Chris JT for my one-off 'picking' on your spelling, eh. I'm not a habitual with this petty spelling picking, you know. It's the quality of your idea that counts for me. Anyway, I still won't judge either of you and the likes. Not for your spellings and grammar, at least.

ditchmyster

iTrader: (7)

You really should re-read some of your responses and try to detach yourself from them so as to view from an alternative perspective, your a full on passive aggressive, attacking, dismissing, excusing, then portraying yourself as the victim, I could go on but you'll never admit it as that's also part of your dis-order, denial. Honestly your a nice enough person but you need professional help with your complexes which also include superiority no doubt born out of a feeling of inferiority, no need to pick on others failings to avoid them highlighting your own, just chill and accept that no one is perfect and that pointing it out makes one appear churlish, even under the guise of it being in jest.

See what I did there, it's not a nice feeling is it.

Turbohot

Excellent post.

Total projection.

This is coming from a professional, by the way.

Please carry on.

Carnut

ditchmyster, I think we might have upset turbohot