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29 May 2014, 08:53 PM
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Rob you learnt as you went along by your own admission, not everyone sits at a desk typing for half of the day, most develop and improve upon the skills required throughout their daily lives. Most of what I learned at school has been of very little use to me during my working life beyond the basics so tailed off during that time as it wasn't a necessity, most of what I did with the written word was ticking boxes any writing I did was minimal
The thing that I don't like about such threads is it draws out the worst in some people that feel as though they are somehow superior beings based upon their ability to spell or to type grammatically correct sentences, we all have our strengths and weaknesses, it's part of what makes the world go round and to pick on a particular weakness is nothing but mean spiritedness, those doing so need to take a long hard look at themselves and ask why they feel the need to do that to another human being that has obviously been less fortunate than themselves in their education, quite possibly through no fault of their own.
The thing that I don't like about such threads is it draws out the worst in some people that feel as though they are somehow superior beings based upon their ability to spell or to type grammatically correct sentences, we all have our strengths and weaknesses, it's part of what makes the world go round and to pick on a particular weakness is nothing but mean spiritedness, those doing so need to take a long hard look at themselves and ask why they feel the need to do that to another human being that has obviously been less fortunate than themselves in their education, quite possibly through no fault of their own.
As I said before my school days were lacking somewhat and by the age of 14 I was working full time from the hours of 07:00-19:00 five days a week.
I am 30 and am from a time when this wasn't the done thing so although I missed my mates it put me in a situation where I was out of my comfort zone.
This was a great thing for me I have since learnt, I didn't know at the time but it would appear that I do well when under pressure due to the fact I can be a bit lazy if not motivated.
When I came of age and could start a career I became a apprentice truck mechanic which then came to a abrupt end (not my doing). By this time I had found the freedom that having a driving licence brings and thought that as a 18 year old I had found my calling in life. This went from driving a bus to class 1 and was good money for a young lad so got in my stride and kept my head down for a few years. Then in short I moved from up north down to Cornwall where half my family is and became a dairy farmer. I moved up the ladder at a fast rate and finally got to run my own farm in Shrewsbury where once again it came to a abrupt end this time due to health.
The point that I am making is that none of my 30 years in life has needed me to be able to spell to a high standard so often wonder what's the point. My greatest asset has been my life experience and a ability in farming that allowed me to find a balance between tradition and modern practices/business.
Sorry to boar you all with this drivel but I could not stop my self typing despite my best efforts.
29 May 2014, 09:05 PM
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I agree with what you are saying, and this was not meant to be a judgement in any means, it was simply to point out that more and more people who post on here are becoming complacent with simply typing in text language, or basically just throwing together random letter that appear to resemble somewhere near the word they intended on typing.
I’m guilty like most for typing the basic abbreviations such as LOL, WTF and FWIW. However I really do not see the sense in words that are simply lacking critical letter to make full words. Yes I know education and upbringing has a part to play, but surely this is correct going through life as natural progression?
This will probably be my last reply as I feel that this is going in the wrong direction, I was hoping to raise awareness of the issue with hope of those guilty of poor grammar seeking to fix it, not hung drawn and quarter the poor buggers.
Rpb
Ps – I'm fully aware of the disorders that some people face, dyslexia being one.
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29 May 2014, 09:26 PM
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Another old timer who had never typed to 15 years ago when I had to use computers at work so had to teach myself to type and yes my spelling is bad and I'm always typing to fast thats my excuse ,but I did ok in life and carrier untill recently
Do like my iPhone and iPad ,easy to work for someone who never touched a computer to 16 years ago
One thing I dont like is text speech
Downmarket and too lazy to to the job properly
13 years ago we never had these discussions on scoobynet
Defenty the new breed of Subaru owner who is eager to have dump valves and other dodgy modifications and is quick to respond aggressively if we question their motives
Subarus have all class of owners now in the beginning we only had professionals and well heeled motoring enthusuists who owned subarus
Do like my iPhone and iPad ,easy to work for someone who never touched a computer to 16 years ago
One thing I dont like is text speech
Downmarket and too lazy to to the job properly
13 years ago we never had these discussions on scoobynet
Defenty the new breed of Subaru owner who is eager to have dump valves and other dodgy modifications and is quick to respond aggressively if we question their motives
Subarus have all class of owners now in the beginning we only had professionals and well heeled motoring enthusuists who owned subarus
29 May 2014, 09:46 PM
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I agree with you too Rob, but unfortunately we seem to have entered a phase in education where it's frowned upon to single people out and put them into some sort of special class where they can get the attention required based upon their needs, it's all about numbers and teaching them to pass exams but not much else. Also poor spelling/gramar and sentence construction along with text speak appear to have become acceptable even in HE, unfortunately if a person can regurgitate copy and paste then they think that makes them an intellectual, when in fact they are a plagiarist with a good memory.
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29 May 2014, 11:04 PM
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I agree with you too Rob, but unfortunately we seem to have entered a phase in education where it's frowned upon to single people out and put them into some sort of special class where they can get the attention required based upon their needs, it's all about numbers and teaching them to pass exams but not much else. Also poor spelling/gramar and sentence construction along with text speak appear to have become acceptable even in HE, unfortunately if a person can regurgitate copy and paste then they think that makes them an intellectual, when in fact they are a plagiarist with a good memory.
29 May 2014, 11:12 PM
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Rightly or wrongly the better one can communicate via the written word on Internet forums and the likes the more likely I am to pay some credence to what it is they are saying on said media.
Of course well written nonsense is still nonsense so it's by no means the only yardstick by which I judge one's prose, but it's usually a good starting point in my experience.
For instance most people who tend to be racist have a relatively poor command of the English language and I am sure that is no coincidence!
Of course well written nonsense is still nonsense so it's by no means the only yardstick by which I judge one's prose, but it's usually a good starting point in my experience.
For instance most people who tend to be racist have a relatively poor command of the English language and I am sure that is no coincidence!
29 May 2014, 11:28 PM
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I agree with you too Rob, but unfortunately we seem to have entered a phase in education where it's frowned upon to single people out and put them into some sort of special class where they can get the attention required based upon their needs, it's all about numbers and teaching them to pass exams but not much else. Also poor spelling/gramar and sentence construction along with text speak appear to have become acceptable even in HE, unfortunately if a person can regurgitate copy and paste then they think that makes them an intellectual, when in fact they are a plagiarist with a good memory.
FWIW (
) I don't think it's the right thing to do, to belittle people on a public forum just because they might not spell or phrase everything correctly. None of us are perfect and people do differ in their various abilities, having their own strengths and weaknesses, often due to their own life experiences. My view is, people should try to make an effort when communicating with other people, particularly when wanting advice, but when it is clear that someone struggles, so long as they are showing some signs of trying to be understood, we don't need people coming along with nothing to add other than having a go at them because what they have written, isn't word perfect. All that said, users of text speak are fair game.
30 May 2014, 08:09 AM
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School and I didn't work, by my own admission I messed about and bunked off every other week, exams??? What exams!!
I was always messing about and never cared so there for,,not as intellectual as most.
I went to school with some very intellectual individuals, school nerds and bookworms that I see now some 20 odd years later working at their jobs, some in supermarkets,shops( not dissing shop work as it's still a job).
So this unintelligent dunce has done pretty well considering, my own buisness, fairly nice house, cars, trucks etc, schools overrated
If you don't like my grammar..........who gives a ****, certainly not me!
I was always messing about and never cared so there for,,not as intellectual as most.
I went to school with some very intellectual individuals, school nerds and bookworms that I see now some 20 odd years later working at their jobs, some in supermarkets,shops( not dissing shop work as it's still a job).
So this unintelligent dunce has done pretty well considering, my own buisness, fairly nice house, cars, trucks etc, schools overrated
If you don't like my grammar..........who gives a ****, certainly not me!
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30 May 2014, 08:20 AM
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School and I didn't work, by my own admission I messed about and bunked off every other week, exams??? What exams!!
I was always messing about and never cared so there for,,not as intellectual as most.
I went to school with some very intellectual individuals, school nerds and bookworms that I see now some 20 odd years later working at their jobs, some in supermarkets,shops( not dissing shop work as it's still a job).
So this unintelligent dunce has done pretty well considering, my own buisness, fairly nice house, cars, trucks etc, schools overrated
I was always messing about and never cared so there for,,not as intellectual as most.
I went to school with some very intellectual individuals, school nerds and bookworms that I see now some 20 odd years later working at their jobs, some in supermarkets,shops( not dissing shop work as it's still a job).
So this unintelligent dunce has done pretty well considering, my own buisness, fairly nice house, cars, trucks etc, schools overrated
30 May 2014, 08:57 AM
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This line keeps getting trotted out, and no offence Lordy, but I'm frankly sick of seeing it. I (and Micky) would be part of the 'class' that so many people on here like to look down on, and assume are thick, or lazy, or unintelligent, so on. We've both been born and raised on council estates and still live on one, and funnily enough, despite not having a lot of money, or a fancy education, we can both string a sentence together.
Exactly this.
FWIW () I don't think it's the right thing to do, to belittle people on a public forum just because they might not spell or phrase everything correctly. None of us are perfect and people do differ in their various abilities, having their own strengths and weaknesses, often due to their own life experiences. My view is, people should try to make an effort when communicating with other people, particularly when wanting advice, but when it is clear that someone struggles, so long as they are showing some signs of trying to be understood, we don't need people coming along with nothing to add other than having a go at them because what they have written, isn't word perfect.
All that said, users of text speak are fair game.
Exactly this.
FWIW (
) I don't think it's the right thing to do, to belittle people on a public forum just because they might not spell or phrase everything correctly. None of us are perfect and people do differ in their various abilities, having their own strengths and weaknesses, often due to their own life experiences. My view is, people should try to make an effort when communicating with other people, particularly when wanting advice, but when it is clear that someone struggles, so long as they are showing some signs of trying to be understood, we don't need people coming along with nothing to add other than having a go at them because what they have written, isn't word perfect. All that said, users of text speak are fair game.
oh and mouser; lick my *******.
30 May 2014, 09:18 AM
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I was mostly bored at school because I "got it" in the first few minutes, then would spend the rest of the lesson sitting around while the teacher went over and over the same **** because the rest of the class didn't get it, there's only so many times you can do that before you become a disruptive influence.
I see myself as a victim of the system because when I first arrived at each stage of my schooling I regressed and ended up as one of the bad boys, I view the day I left school as the beginning of MY life and have done reasonably well for myself once the chains of all the bollax they put you through were broken, took me a few years to get on my feet but I RETIRED AT 42 so i'd just like to say **** you very much to the school system and all the soooooo very well educated intelligent intellectuals that are still working to feed the machine and will be doing so until they are 70 at which point they will die.
Who's the smart one now.
30 May 2014, 09:35 AM
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This is also very true, I'd say those of us that have argued the other side of the coin (me included) didn't necessarily get the best deal from the education system but still make the effort, imagine what we'd be like if we did have a system that stretched our minds.
I was mostly bored at school because I "got it" in the first few minutes, then would spend the rest of the lesson sitting around while the teacher went over and over the same **** because the rest of the class didn't get it, there's only so many times you can do that before you become a disruptive influence.
I see myself as a victim of the system because when I first arrived at each stage of my schooling I regressed and ended up as one of the bad boys, I view the day I left school as the beginning of MY life and have done reasonably well for myself once the chains of all the bollax they put you through were broken, took me a few years to get on my feet but I RETIRED AT 42 so i'd just like to say **** you very much to the school system and all the soooooo very well educated intelligent intellectuals that are still working to feed the machine and will be doing so until they are 70 at which point they will die.
Who's the smart one now.
I was mostly bored at school because I "got it" in the first few minutes, then would spend the rest of the lesson sitting around while the teacher went over and over the same **** because the rest of the class didn't get it, there's only so many times you can do that before you become a disruptive influence.
I see myself as a victim of the system because when I first arrived at each stage of my schooling I regressed and ended up as one of the bad boys, I view the day I left school as the beginning of MY life and have done reasonably well for myself once the chains of all the bollax they put you through were broken, took me a few years to get on my feet but I RETIRED AT 42 so i'd just like to say **** you very much to the school system and all the soooooo very well educated intelligent intellectuals that are still working to feed the machine and will be doing so until they are 70 at which point they will die.
Who's the smart one now.
30 May 2014, 10:04 AM
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Note: Learning disabilities and other valid reasons are given a benefit of doubt.
We learn every day, but some don't want to. They know they know it all. Oh, well. Free country.
Of course well written nonsense is still nonsense so it's by no means the only yardstick by which I judge one's prose, but it's usually a good starting point in my experience. For instance most people who tend to be racist have a relatively poor command of the English language and I am sure that is no coincidence!
But I do agree that poor language skills and bad language does denote inadequate education, inadequate attention given to the given education, not wanting to self-educate and sheer resistance to better oneself. Whether education failed them, or they failed education is something they can decide.
30 May 2014, 10:09 AM
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And every word and sentence you put together is as good and Shakespeare's.
LOL seriously, people need to take it on the chin, and make it right for themselves.
I studied English as my second language in my coutry, and even mine is better (if not perfect) than many other English/British origin posters here.
30 May 2014, 10:23 AM
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And every word and sentence you put together is as good and Shakespeare's.
LOL seriously, people need to take it on the chin, and make it right for themselves.
I studied English as my second language in my coutry, and even mine is better (if not perfect) than many other English/British origin posters here.
LOL seriously, people need to take it on the chin, and make it right for themselves.
I studied English as my second language in my coutry, and even mine is better (if not perfect) than many other English/British origin posters here.
That old hack
...must try harder Your written English is exemplary (mostly)
It's just having the drive to want to get it right and then expending the effort to do so...I think that attitude pervades in all aspect of life and we all know that on some level; which is probably why those that can't be arsed to make an effort get ripped
30 May 2014, 10:33 AM
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It was an attempt at humour.
As I said it was an attempt at humour no need to to off like a two bob rocket.
30 May 2014, 10:40 AM
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Even then, I know that I have to be clear and concise at my work related and academic stuff. Not that bothered here, as it's only informal chit-chat we do here. But even then, I try my best to put it properly. I still apologise to the ones who I unintentionally offend with my mistakes. I'll continue to make it better, I promise.
In the same light, I'd like to support people with issues (valid ones only) that they need not refrain from expressing themselves. There're spell checkers and proof reading software on internet these days. They can utilise such things, and continue to post. They need not feel that they can't, because they're being picked on.
It's just having the drive to want to get it right and then expending the effort to do so...I think that attitude pervades in all aspect of life and we all know that on some level; which is probably why those that can't be arsed to make an effort get ripped
30 May 2014, 10:52 AM
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I never noticed, but it could be their response to stress.
In India, people start to slate each other in English when they're seriously arguing. That's to do with the colonial slavery psychology.
They'll just come up with: "Tu damn fool admi hey! Mere ghar se nikal Jao! Stupid admi!"
But if an original English/British person also does the same thing, than it could be because human brain produces right English (English in particular) as a response to stress? Interesting.
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30 May 2014, 11:46 AM
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Grate powst kaptin.
One small peanut to bounce around in your empty shells is.
The Education System is basically systematic brain washing of the masses, those higher up the scale look down on those below and truly believe they are superior because the system managed to brain wash them better.
Oh the irony.
One small peanut to bounce around in your empty shells is.
The Education System is basically systematic brain washing of the masses, those higher up the scale look down on those below and truly believe they are superior because the system managed to brain wash them better.
Oh the irony.