Britain has really become a laughing stock
24 May 2014, 05:29 PM
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24 May 2014, 05:45 PM
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The land was originally seized, but that seized land was further turned into a commodity, I get that. As a result, the land continues to be bought and sold, so is the bricks and mortar house on top of it. This is what happens in this century. Land is a commodity. It's not free, it's bound by the limitations as countries, states, provinces, cities, towns, villages, colonies and private land pieces with or without the houses on them.
So in today's times, one has to buy the land with their hard-earned money in order to make a BTL house. Land doesn't come free anymore. So I can't see how it is slavery?
So in today's times, one has to buy the land with their hard-earned money in order to make a BTL house. Land doesn't come free anymore. So I can't see how it is slavery?
You could equally well use that argument to support 'air breathing licenses'; you say that air has been turned into a commodity and that is the law, air licence owners have worked hard to buy their licenses it is their 'right' to charge rent. Exactly the same arguments were used to justify slavery.
The slave owner exploits the slave just like the landowner exploits their tenants. Both live off the sweat of others whilst doing nothing substantive, except making a move in a financial game.
24 May 2014, 05:58 PM
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It was turned into a commodity by nothing but a slight of hand. No labour was put in constructing the institution of private property. It is totally contingent and 'artificial'.
You could equally well use that argument to support 'air breathing licenses'; you say that air has been turned into a commodity and that is the law, air licence owners have worked hard to buy their licenses it is their 'right' to charge rent. Exactly the same arguments were used to justify slavery.
The slave owner exploits the slave just like the landowner exploits their tenants. Both live off the sweat of others whilst doing nothing substantive, except making a move in a financial game.
You could equally well use that argument to support 'air breathing licenses'; you say that air has been turned into a commodity and that is the law, air licence owners have worked hard to buy their licenses it is their 'right' to charge rent. Exactly the same arguments were used to justify slavery.
The slave owner exploits the slave just like the landowner exploits their tenants. Both live off the sweat of others whilst doing nothing substantive, except making a move in a financial game.
Hm, institutionalised form of slavery, then. The foundations reek of slavery and the chain reaction goes on. (no pun intended by the word 'chain')
Thank you, TDW.
24 May 2014, 06:02 PM
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Some hyperbole on my part but rent seeking elites are indefensible. At least Capital is productive and creates wealth. Owning land is just pure domination.
24 May 2014, 06:04 PM
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It was turned into a commodity by nothing but a slight of hand. No labour was put in constructing the institution of private property. It is totally contingent and 'artificial'.
You could equally well use that argument to support 'air breathing licenses'; you say that air has been turned into a commodity and that is the law, air licence owners have worked hard to buy their licenses it is their 'right' to charge rent. Exactly the same arguments were used to justify slavery.
The slave owner exploits the slave just like the landowner exploits their tenants. Both live off the sweat of others whilst doing nothing substantive, except making a move in a financial game.
You could equally well use that argument to support 'air breathing licenses'; you say that air has been turned into a commodity and that is the law, air licence owners have worked hard to buy their licenses it is their 'right' to charge rent. Exactly the same arguments were used to justify slavery.
The slave owner exploits the slave just like the landowner exploits their tenants. Both live off the sweat of others whilst doing nothing substantive, except making a move in a financial game.
24 May 2014, 06:16 PM
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Also, if people could build castles in the air to rent, sell or live, I think they would have seized and commodified air as well. Some do; metaphorically. I mean, dream merchants.
24 May 2014, 06:22 PM
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Rent is always money for not doing something. In this case not exercising a right to kick someone out of the house you own.
That the right costs money to purchase (unless you inherit it) is purely contingent. When you live off the labour of your tenants the substantive relationship (which is masked by the cash relationship) is completely exploitative, safe for minor costs of maintenance and so on and so forth which is just a small part of the rent.
By your logic if I had to pay you rent to breath air in Manchester then you would be 'earning' that money and running a 'business'. But what wealth is created?
That the right costs money to purchase (unless you inherit it) is purely contingent. When you live off the labour of your tenants the substantive relationship (which is masked by the cash relationship) is completely exploitative, safe for minor costs of maintenance and so on and so forth which is just a small part of the rent.
By your logic if I had to pay you rent to breath air in Manchester then you would be 'earning' that money and running a 'business'. But what wealth is created?
It's a cruel world we live in, and you make your living by extracting oil from the land mostly in very poor countries with corrupt governments.
How do you sleep at night "earning" your living from the misery and exploitation of others?
You live in a glass house TDW, not wise to throw stones.
24 May 2014, 07:30 PM
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I'd be interested to know your response to Ditchy's question but have one for you as well please Tony.
Let's say you owned your own home, by your own admission you've been looking to buy. Now let's say work takes you abroad for a three year contract. Would you never ever consider renting the property out whilst you were out of the country?
Let's say you owned your own home, by your own admission you've been looking to buy. Now let's say work takes you abroad for a three year contract. Would you never ever consider renting the property out whilst you were out of the country?
25 May 2014, 06:23 AM
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I'd be interested to know your response to Ditchy's question but have one for you as well please Tony.
Let's say you owned your own home, by your own admission you've been looking to buy. Now let's say work takes you abroad for a three year contract. Would you never ever consider renting the property out whilst you were out of the country?
Let's say you owned your own home, by your own admission you've been looking to buy. Now let's say work takes you abroad for a three year contract. Would you never ever consider renting the property out whilst you were out of the country?
25 May 2014, 10:20 AM
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25 May 2014, 10:37 AM
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You are very entertaining i'll give you that.
It's a cruel world we live in, and you make your living by extracting oil from the land mostly in very poor countries with corrupt governments.
How do you sleep at night "earning" your living from the misery and exploitation of others?
You live in a glass house TDW, not wise to throw stones.
It's a cruel world we live in, and you make your living by extracting oil from the land mostly in very poor countries with corrupt governments.
How do you sleep at night "earning" your living from the misery and exploitation of others?
You live in a glass house TDW, not wise to throw stones.
25 May 2014, 10:39 AM
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I'd be interested to know your response to Ditchy's question but have one for you as well please Tony.
Let's say you owned your own home, by your own admission you've been looking to buy. Now let's say work takes you abroad for a three year contract. Would you never ever consider renting the property out whilst you were out of the country?
Let's say you owned your own home, by your own admission you've been looking to buy. Now let's say work takes you abroad for a three year contract. Would you never ever consider renting the property out whilst you were out of the country?
25 May 2014, 11:26 AM
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I sort of get Tony's take on this. This board has a section of members who like to indirectly tell the rest of us how well off they are and most of them seem to be landlords in one form or another. I think Tony's attack on the source of their wealth is a little extreme, but it does have some validity and anyway it certainly seems to push their buttons the way their comments obviously push his so fair play to him.
I own some land but there's only sheep on it at the moment
(Wolfie's welcome to come and have a go)Wolfie just goes a little too far comparing BTL with slave masters etc.... he can bleat on all he likes but we live in a capitalist society, have done for centuries, and nothing will ever, ever change that.
He'll give himself a coronary lying awake at night, crying into his Ragged Trousered Philanthropist, wondering what his little one man crusade can do to put things right for the down-trodden of society.
Anyway, I'm off to church now to chuck a quid in the pot for the Unemployed Immigrant Gay / Lesbian Dwarf Outreach Project...
25 May 2014, 11:50 AM
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25 May 2014, 02:38 PM
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I think that in the early days when the world was starting to be ruled by groups that then became seen as royalty it was a time of slavery. The land was anybody's and everybody's and these people such as the monarchy that we have to day were nothing more than bullies. How dare they threaten and kill then tell all that the land is theirs then have the bare faced cheek to offer it back to us for a fee. IMO the royal family are one of the biggest criminal families in the world that top any car theft by stealing no less than countries.
Or......at least that's how I believe it used to be, in actual fact I think that we have moved away from them days and in fact benefit from the order and discipline. The land is now sheared out some what more equally and we all have the opportunity to own are own. Luck is not always handed out in equal measures but i see nothing wrong with the average Joe being able to put down his own stamp in life in the form of a few properties. The **** that come along and buy up lots of properties and hold tenants by the ***** though need shooting.
Or......at least that's how I believe it used to be, in actual fact I think that we have moved away from them days and in fact benefit from the order and discipline. The land is now sheared out some what more equally and we all have the opportunity to own are own. Luck is not always handed out in equal measures but i see nothing wrong with the average Joe being able to put down his own stamp in life in the form of a few properties. The **** that come along and buy up lots of properties and hold tenants by the ***** though need shooting.
25 May 2014, 03:30 PM
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Land is a big thing. Even after the death, some like to claim a bit of it for their underground resting with their individualised grave territories on the surface. I wish earth was officially layered, so that one could only claim the resting space in the particular layer of the depth; free of charge. Other layers and top bit could still be utilised by all and sundry. Not to necessarily live on that land (that could freak some out), but by growing fruitful trees on top etc.
25 May 2014, 07:02 PM
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I think that in the early days when the world was starting to be ruled by groups that then became seen as royalty it was a time of slavery. The land was anybody's and everybody's and these people such as the monarchy that we have to day were nothing more than bullies. How dare they threaten and kill then tell all that the land is theirs then have the bare faced cheek to offer it back to us for a fee. IMO the royal family are one of the biggest criminal families in the world that top any car theft by stealing no less than countries.
25 May 2014, 07:35 PM
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I thought that I turned it round at the end.
25 May 2014, 08:36 PM
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I sort of get Tony's take on this. This board has a section of members who like to indirectly tell the rest of us how well off they are and most of them seem to be landlords in one form or another. I think Tony's attack on the source of their wealth is a little extreme, but it does have some validity and anyway it certainly seems to push their buttons the way their comments obviously push his so fair play to him.
As far as i'm concerned tdw is just mr sour grapes because he was jollying his way around the world making good money thinking he was the man but didn't cover all his bases and now it's come back to haunt him in the form of having a wedge of cash that's not enough to buy a terraced house, tuff **** he made his bed and now he's lying in it.
Life's a mother ****** get over it and get on with it.
25 May 2014, 08:56 PM
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I'm by no means well off, i'm a council estate kid that made a couple of smart moves that paid off ok ish after many years hard graft and still grafting now to give may son a better start than I had, I don't rent any properties and never have.
As far as i'm concerned tdw is just mr sour grapes because he was jollying his way around the world making good money thinking he was the man but didn't cover all his bases and now it's come back to haunt him in the form of having a wedge of cash that's not enough to buy a terraced house, tuff **** he made his bed and now he's lying in it.
Life's a mother ****** get over it and get on with it.
As far as i'm concerned tdw is just mr sour grapes because he was jollying his way around the world making good money thinking he was the man but didn't cover all his bases and now it's come back to haunt him in the form of having a wedge of cash that's not enough to buy a terraced house, tuff **** he made his bed and now he's lying in it.
Life's a mother ****** get over it and get on with it.
25 May 2014, 08:57 PM
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