ditchmyster

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I bet that sups some juice, I've got the same set up as ven has just pictured in my TFV8 and it drinks the juice like it's going out of fashion... with the baby 3ml tank and the coil that came fitted in it, it can sup the lot in a 5min smoke.

bioforger

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Yup the tfv12 has been out a while now, i can easily do 5ml from my big baby beast tank in 30mins, I've had to rethink how i makeup my e-juice volumes

bioforger

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Too early to say really, i would go for it, it's not a lot of money and still a lot cheaper than the ****, so it doesn't matter too much. But who knows mate, the only saving grace is that the whole TPD ruling is low on the gov's list of things to approve, so it'll either happen very quickly or not at all and get delayed or hopefully the ridiculous rules will get relaxed (wishful thinking). If it does happen (likely) then i guess spares for existing >2ml tanks will only continue until vendors run out of the stock and then we'll all be screwed, as the vendors will only be selling stuff for 2ml tanks. This is why you are seeing everyone trying to sell their >10ml juices at crazy discounts atm.

So that's why i bought the big baby tank as it comes with its own tfv8 RBA and using that more now as i believe that'll be the only way to continue to subohm vape in the future without being screwed over, IF the TPD ruling happens.

bioforger

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Mind you we'll still be able to buy stuff from overseas, US for example. We'll just have to wait a bit longer for our vapemail

bioforger

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And there will be loopholes if TPD is enforced, so the way around the 2ml tank limit is 2 fold; buy larger ml tanks now and the other is squonking, 8-10ml bottles should be TPD compliant as they are not a tank But i guess you could argue that the ruling includes any tanks used for e-cigs. So we might see squonkers as the future? who knows.

Liquid is again 2 fold, either buy nicotine now and store it so you can 1 diy or 2 buy large volume bottles of Zero nic and add the nic to it.

I reckon 72mg nic will be sold off at massive discounts by vape shops in April

Again, who knows what is actually going to happen after May.

ossett2k2

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I thought about stocking up on nic but then realised my last lot has a use by date,would this mean the nicotine just degrades over time?

ossett2k2

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Also on reading a few posts on the subject,a loophole for tanks is although no tanks bigger than 2ml can be sold they can sell the parts for bigger tanks so would just mean building our own big tanks from parts.

bioforger

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It does yea, but we're talking years not months and if you refrigerate it, it will last even longer.

Yep Another one somebody mentioned, the TPD ruling applies to the UK and eventually will filter into the EU, but as far as we know it doesn't say we can't buy large tanks, >10ml bottles and 72mg nic from outside the EU. So i think it will just be a case of sourcing things from overseas. So then there's the argument that customs n excise will either confiscate vapemail or whack a massive import tax/duty on it, but i can't see them having the time nor money to open every package to check for >2ml tanks or nicotine, which can easily be sold as VG or PG, say from China

TPD ruling is basically a load of bollocks and i can't see it being policed properly at all. How are they going to check all the thousands of vape shops for one?

Anyway I'm not that worried about it really because i DIY. If i was still buying premium retail juice i might be though.

ossett2k2

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Nice one,just reading that people freeze nic so will last for a long time,I know it will be available to buy from places like China but I'd rather buy a few bottles from our shores for now,I'm only vaping 3mg nic now so 4 or 5 100ml bottles should last me a few years

Like you say we'll just have to wait and see what happens in May but there will always be a way around the bollox legislations

ditchmyster

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Sounds like completely pointless legislation to me... Bird in one of my local vape shops said... it's like they're trying to get us back on the ciggies... wouldn't surprise me if there had been a fair amount of lobbying from tobacco companies to get ministers to push for this.

It's got more loop holes than a string vest, new phrase... made up by me... "String vest legislation"

I too don't see how they'll police it, it's nigh on impossible... unless they make a new government department with literally thousands and thousands of employees all over the country checking mail, shops and the internet etc... which I doubt very much.

bioforger

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Absolutely, lets face it the tobacco industry has been hit HARD by vaping, they have lost literally billions of revenue due to it. The smart tobacco companies bought out the vaping companies and continued their business, the others who didn't lost out big time. And of course the gov has lost out in a large way over the cig tax gained from tobacco sales.

Exactly.

ven

+1

Even now you get larger tanks(glass) in kits, they will just come assembled as 2ml, with a 5ml tank. When that gets banned you will always be able to buy them as separate parts.

Boils my pi55 all this EU crap, they dont give a damn if we live/die as long as they get tax. As they are loosing out from cigarette tax's, they need to find another way.

Vape for thought, this is California and how it is effecting their state. Although different, its all to do with money not health.

JackClark

There has to be regulation, although better than smoking by far it's still not a great thing to do to yourself. As I see it, it's working, I see far less youth smoking and see far more old duffers vaping, if you make vaping too easy youths may take it up for fun.

Still a pain in the **** as I now have to look for a new supplier of premixed nic base.

bioforger

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Agreed, there does need to be something in place, but as usual the gov have taken the rulings way too far and as it's plain to see it's not for health benefits but for profit; as a result of that heavy taxation will be the next phase.

You might be able to use the same supplier you'll just have to buy 10 x 10ml of that premix base

JackClark

He's selling Nic shots, no doubt in convenient sizes, I'm just lamenting moving to a two step process from one step.

bioforger

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Yep i think that'll be the norm in the future.

Rob_Impreza99

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Don't bother with that bluestar that i put a link up for that are selling cheap e liquid, it's crap.

http://bluestar-eliquid.com/

ossett2k2

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Cheers for the heads up
I went for the boss shots that bioforger linked,they are quality,I'm supposed to steep my 1st batch for 4 week but just can't help pinching a few ml of the unicorn milk,it's my favourite vape even before the 4 week steep and for the price (roughly £1.20 per 30ml@3mg nic 70vg/30pg) The cheapest DIY I've made

bioforger

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Good shout, i got some cool blue slush concentrate from vampire vape, not the same as yours but probably using the same flavours, it's lovely

bioforger

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@ossett2k2 have you got a link for vapenic please?

ossett2k2

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https://www.vapeinc.com/collections/...iquid-products

bioforger

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ah vapeinc, cheers. It's half the price of darkstar atm with the discount

ossett2k2

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Yeh sorry I got the nic and inc mixed up
Is a good price,might order a bit more before TPD kicks off.

bioforger

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Yep that's why i bought it Nic has a 2yr shelf life btw or even longer if you freeze it.

ossett2k2

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Nice one,how much did you order?
I'm going to put another order in and stick it in the freezer

bioforger

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Just another 100ml as i already have 500ml in use, doubt i will run out anytime soon

ossett2k2

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Just ordered another 300ml so with the 100ml I've got I should also be good for a few years

ditchmyster

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Any idea what the shelf life of PG and VG is?

bioforger

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Don't really know exactly, VG i guess would go "off" quicker than the PG as it's more organic, but you can't even chill it in a fridge as it would just turn into a thick mess I've read people saying 2-5yrs or more in a sealed bottle for VG and slightly less for PG.

It doesn't really matter though does it? as its so cheap to buy.

ossett2k2

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Just a thought on freezing nic,I will be transferring into bigger containers if I freeze it as I understand it expands when frozen,more so if it's VG based than PG based tho,I've bought PG based so shouldn't cause problems when freezing.