Teachers strikes today - thoughts?
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Yes I do teach, but I get paid MUCH more and teach less hours.
Higher quality in a compacted time
And if you'd bothered to read OfSTED, it's ALL about student-directed learning.
Facilitation is the way forward
Higher quality in a compacted time
And if you'd bothered to read OfSTED, it's ALL about student-directed learning.
Facilitation is the way forward
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That's excellent news, we can rename Teachers 'Facilitators' and pay them accordingly!
I did throw the £65,000 in as an average pay of Teachers according to the Office of Statistics ..... I did know you would be on more than that.
Maybe we can pay Facilitators the National Average Pay of just £45,000 then?
Result!
I did throw the £65,000 in as an average pay of Teachers according to the Office of Statistics ..... I did know you would be on more than that.
Maybe we can pay Facilitators the National Average Pay of just £45,000 then?
Result!
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Haven't a clue about teaching and what it involves,but I did have to chuckle today when a teacher on the radio said,we work hard and up to sixty hours a week.
That is normal working week to many people,even up to seventy hours.
My working week is about fifty hours,fifty five hours if I do a Saturday morning,and most nights I don't get to go home until the weekend.
I think it does get people ticked off when teachers strike like this,and yet take your kid out of school,you slapped with a fine.
I can kinda see where teachers are coming from a little,we would all like the cream at work.
Just don't appear that you teachers have much backing from the nation,maybe because we don't know the facts enough and go by what we read and hear from the news etc.
That is normal working week to many people,even up to seventy hours.
My working week is about fifty hours,fifty five hours if I do a Saturday morning,and most nights I don't get to go home until the weekend.
I think it does get people ticked off when teachers strike like this,and yet take your kid out of school,you slapped with a fine.
I can kinda see where teachers are coming from a little,we would all like the cream at work.
Just don't appear that you teachers have much backing from the nation,maybe because we don't know the facts enough and go by what we read and hear from the news etc.
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The whole 'hours worked' thing is mostly unproven or anecdotal anyway.
I've come across so many people over the years trotting that one out, but to watch them they spend so much of their (or ultimately their employer's) time farting about that their productivity is appalling. Any genuine grafter could do in around 2 hours what they string out for a day.
I've worked with plenty. Where overtime is involved poor management can often result in the most useless idiots (or crafty f+ckers) walking away with more money than the good 'uns.
Office staff have this down to a fine art, although you'd never know it listening to how hard they have it.
I've come across so many people over the years trotting that one out, but to watch them they spend so much of their (or ultimately their employer's) time farting about that their productivity is appalling. Any genuine grafter could do in around 2 hours what they string out for a day.
I've worked with plenty. Where overtime is involved poor management can often result in the most useless idiots (or crafty f+ckers) walking away with more money than the good 'uns.
Office staff have this down to a fine art, although you'd never know it listening to how hard they have it.
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Teachers, most of them anyway, have gone to work today - they have allowed the militants to strike alone.
Now, there are 2 possible reasons for this:-
1. They don't have the courage of their convictions and don't want to lose a days pay
or
2. They agree with the Government, they are good Teachers - and will do rather well out of the performance pay - but don't want to voice that opinion.
Personally, I think it is number 2.
You could sack every single Teacher who objects and is on strike - this would increase the performance of the Teaching profession by the simple act of getting rid of the bottom 5%!
Sorted ....
Now, there are 2 possible reasons for this:-
1. They don't have the courage of their convictions and don't want to lose a days pay
or
2. They agree with the Government, they are good Teachers - and will do rather well out of the performance pay - but don't want to voice that opinion.
Personally, I think it is number 2.
You could sack every single Teacher who objects and is on strike - this would increase the performance of the Teaching profession by the simple act of getting rid of the bottom 5%!
Sorted ....
I have a teacher who lives next door to me.....I know she leaves for work after me,and returns before me... And i only work 9-5pm..
Teaching standards have gone downhill,because the intelligence level of teachers have plummeted.
Teachers used to have passion to teach the children and better there education. Sadly most are now in it for the short working hours and excellent pay.
Teaching standards have gone downhill,because the intelligence level of teachers have plummeted.
Teachers used to have passion to teach the children and better there education. Sadly most are now in it for the short working hours and excellent pay.
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Let me clear some things up - they are striking because they don't want their pay rises to be linked to their performance, in a nutshell.
Yes, I know the rest of the world has had performance related pay for so long we think it normal ..... but Teachers are special you see?
They still get TWO pay rises per year - yes, I know that's not what the parents who will be suffering today get ..... but Teachers are special you see?
Everything aside, the best Teachers should be celebrating!
It's the Teachers who actually hold back children who are worried .... they will still get their TWO payrises per year, but the % will be smaller than their top performing colleagues.
Make no mistake, Teaching is so far behind the rest of the world in pay and conditions that it will take an eternity to bring them into the real world .... but that's OK because Teachers are special.
Now, turning to this strike action ... I'm against it because it hurts the kids - I know that because the Teachers tell me over and over that every single day in the Classroom is vital to the pupils development (this is when they are complaining about a parent taking a child out for a holiday in term time).
Instead of hurting the pupils, and their parents, why not go out on strike in the 2 1/2 weeks Easter holiday?
It would make sense to strike in the school holidays .... because aren't the Teachers telling us that they do 10 hours a day work even when schools are closed?
In that case REALLY hurt the Government (and not the children) by downing your tools in the school holidays ...... tell you what, go all guns blazing and tell the Government that you are going on strike for the WHOLE of the 7 weeks Summer Holiday ... that will hurt them so much they will give in to your demands.
But stop hurting the kids, just because you don't want to be paid according to your performance ..... you do still get TWO pay rises per year!
And don't even get me onto the gross misuse of the TLR payment system!! There are Teachers out there getting THREE payrises per year!
Yes, I know the rest of the world has had performance related pay for so long we think it normal ..... but Teachers are special you see?
They still get TWO pay rises per year - yes, I know that's not what the parents who will be suffering today get ..... but Teachers are special you see?
Everything aside, the best Teachers should be celebrating!
It's the Teachers who actually hold back children who are worried .... they will still get their TWO payrises per year, but the % will be smaller than their top performing colleagues.
Make no mistake, Teaching is so far behind the rest of the world in pay and conditions that it will take an eternity to bring them into the real world .... but that's OK because Teachers are special.
Now, turning to this strike action ... I'm against it because it hurts the kids - I know that because the Teachers tell me over and over that every single day in the Classroom is vital to the pupils development (this is when they are complaining about a parent taking a child out for a holiday in term time).
Instead of hurting the pupils, and their parents, why not go out on strike in the 2 1/2 weeks Easter holiday?
It would make sense to strike in the school holidays .... because aren't the Teachers telling us that they do 10 hours a day work even when schools are closed?
In that case REALLY hurt the Government (and not the children) by downing your tools in the school holidays ...... tell you what, go all guns blazing and tell the Government that you are going on strike for the WHOLE of the 7 weeks Summer Holiday ... that will hurt them so much they will give in to your demands.
But stop hurting the kids, just because you don't want to be paid according to your performance ..... you do still get TWO pay rises per year!
And don't even get me onto the gross misuse of the TLR payment system!! There are Teachers out there getting THREE payrises per year!
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Teacher evaluation system.
This includes a teacher’s:
impact on pupil progress
impact on wider outcomes for pupils
contribution to improvements in other areas (eg pupils’ behaviour or lesson planning)
professional and career development
wider contribution to the work of the school, for instance their involvement in school business outside the classroom
Schools could consider evidence from a range of sources, including self-assessment, lesson observations, and the views of other teachers and of parents and pupils.
It is up to each school to decide how best to implement new pay arrangements – and each school must make the link between pay and performance clear.
This includes a teacher’s:
impact on pupil progress
impact on wider outcomes for pupils
contribution to improvements in other areas (eg pupils’ behaviour or lesson planning)
professional and career development
wider contribution to the work of the school, for instance their involvement in school business outside the classroom
Schools could consider evidence from a range of sources, including self-assessment, lesson observations, and the views of other teachers and of parents and pupils.
It is up to each school to decide how best to implement new pay arrangements – and each school must make the link between pay and performance clear.
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Like every other job out there. If you don't like the working condition and can't accept change.
Fek off and find another job. Simples !
There are people out there willing to fill your shoes.
Fek off and find another job. Simples !
There are people out there willing to fill your shoes.
I have a teacher who lives next door to me.....I know she leaves for work after me,and returns before me... And i only work 9-5pm..
Teaching standards have gone downhill,because the intelligence level of teachers have plummeted.
Teachers used to have passion to teach the children and better there education. Sadly most are now in it for the short working hours and excellent pay.
Teaching standards have gone downhill,because the intelligence level of teachers have plummeted.
Teachers used to have passion to teach the children and better there education. Sadly most are now in it for the short working hours and excellent pay.
She lives and breathes the school. ANYTHING that will improve the education and experience of the children in her care isn't too much for her. She also works evenings and weekends, and even takes a laptop on holiday with her for documents etc that need updated. She works almost EVERY day, weekend, holiday or not.
She is responsible for 60+ staff and the education of 400 children with a budget of £1 million. She is reponsible for a school building worth £3 million.
For this she gets £65,000 pa. No overtime, no car, no health insurance, no travelling allowance.
Looking at industry, she's well underpaid. And overworked.
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£65,000 - that must be a Junior School then.
She should get a Lease Car, Jaguar X Type level ..... odd that she doesn't?
But she CAN claim travelling expenses and will do for all her business travelling.
We aren't talking here about Heads anyway - we are talking about the Teachers.
The Heads are handsomely rewarded - for doing an important job in society.
Your wife knows of Teachers under her control who come in at 8:30 and go home at 3:30, who do not contribute anything other than 26 hours a week, and yet she will refuse to sack them and refuse to stop their automatic rise up the salary scale.
And therein lies the problem ..... Head Teachers should not be ex Teachers - they should be business leaders, these won't take the crappy Teachers that ex-Teachers do.
She should get a Lease Car, Jaguar X Type level ..... odd that she doesn't?
But she CAN claim travelling expenses and will do for all her business travelling.
We aren't talking here about Heads anyway - we are talking about the Teachers.
The Heads are handsomely rewarded - for doing an important job in society.
Your wife knows of Teachers under her control who come in at 8:30 and go home at 3:30, who do not contribute anything other than 26 hours a week, and yet she will refuse to sack them and refuse to stop their automatic rise up the salary scale.
And therein lies the problem ..... Head Teachers should not be ex Teachers - they should be business leaders, these won't take the crappy Teachers that ex-Teachers do.
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Teacher evaluation system.
This includes a teacher’s:
impact on pupil progress
impact on wider outcomes for pupils
contribution to improvements in other areas (eg pupils’ behaviour or lesson planning)
professional and career development
wider contribution to the work of the school, for instance their involvement in school business outside the classroom
Schools could consider evidence from a range of sources, including self-assessment, lesson observations, and the views of other teachers and of parents and pupils.
It is up to each school to decide how best to implement new pay arrangements – and each school must make the link between pay and performance clear.
This includes a teacher’s:
impact on pupil progress
impact on wider outcomes for pupils
contribution to improvements in other areas (eg pupils’ behaviour or lesson planning)
professional and career development
wider contribution to the work of the school, for instance their involvement in school business outside the classroom
Schools could consider evidence from a range of sources, including self-assessment, lesson observations, and the views of other teachers and of parents and pupils.
It is up to each school to decide how best to implement new pay arrangements – and each school must make the link between pay and performance clear.
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If you don't like the conditions of your profession then leave and get another job.
I say be ruthless and sack them, they would soon be begging for their jobs back after working with us peasants in peasant jobs like supermarkets etc, on our peasant wage increase of 7p ph.
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Funny. My sister is a teacher (not striking) and she says she has loads of assesments, etc to fill out. Too many in fact.
