Dirk Diggler 75

I always thought David Beckham was a bit of a tit but have seen he is a genuine decent bloke ...

hodgy0_2

yep, I would go with that too

and agree re Robin Cook (although I always liked him)

hodgy0_2

UKIP was not started/created by Farage

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...steins-monster

wrx300scooby

Wogan, I used to be able to tolerate him but now I cannot stand to hear/see him.

shytorque

Harry Hill.
Could not stand the sight of him but then he kind of got better in" You've been framed".


Unfortunately in "Stars in their eyes" he has slipped back into the cant stand phase as the show is hideous.

Kwik

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There was a picture of her a few months ago with dark hair and no make up, she's quite pretty. I couldn't get over her voice in that clip. When I'd heard her sign live before I thought she couldn't sing.

Dirk Diggler 75

Mario Ballotelli seems misunderstood to me,apparently he does a lot for charity so in my book he ain't that bad .....

Chip

Max Clifford did a lot for charity as well.

shytorque

And Jimmy Saville.......!!!

Turbohot

Noel Gallagher.

I wasn't ever interested in knowing what he was like tbh. Oasis band's reputation was so drugs and promiscuity filled with 'effing this' and 'effing that' that it used to wind me up seeing these role models for the young generation of that time. Also, Liam called Robbie W a fat dancer, which I thought was out of order.

Anyhoo, still not keen on Liam, but I like Noel since he left bad company and reformed as a responsible dad and husband. I don't think he does drugs now, and he's very down to earth, funny chappy.

Dirk Diggler 75

Yes but he is a sex pest .......

wrx300scooby

You know what. I totally agree with you. What are your thoughts on Wogan though?

Turbohot

Who? Terry Wogan? I don't see any connection between appreciating today's Noel Gallagher to yesterday's one, and having a thought on Terry Wogan tbh. But to tell you a truth, I never had any mind at first place for Wogan, so there's nothing to change.

He raises a lot of money for charity, so that's good, but he's not so good at hosting that Children in Need show. He sounds interrupted with no steady flow, but that's just an observation. No mind here to change about him, as such.

daveyj

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I think that might have been his point

Dingdongler

Though I liked their music I thought Oasis and Liam in particular were tossers. Many years ago I bumped into Liam and his entourage in a pub. They couldn't have been nicer or more polite, my wife and I were quite shocked at just how affable they all were.

Dingdongler

I used to think Leonardo di Caprio was a kn8b after my wife forced me to endure Titanic. I now think he is one of the very best actors of his generation, and well overdue an Oscar!

lozgti1

Lol

Turbohot

I'm never sure what to think of people that come across differently in different worlds. With these pop music people, it could be the 'image maintenance strategy' to keep one going in the news, I suppose. Even then, a lot has been said about him by his own brother Noel, own life partners and other close contacts, and to be honest, the holistic look of the guy isn't an impressive one; apart from his cutting humour and stylish swagger, of course. If he came across polite for a few moments on your one-off encounter with him, then that is clapworthy, but I've never met him even for a second, so I do not know.

This 'different images at different places' issue is quite popular in this cyber world as well. There have been some truly horrible people here on SN, who, some people said they were dead nice ***** cats (meaning dead gentle) when they met them. Well, why couldn't they be the same here, then? I'm not a fan of this different role playing in different worlds.

Anyway, this thread is about famous people, not about the Toms, D4cks or Harrys like us from some internet forum, so the next for me is Tom Cruise. I never used to think he was great or anything. His arrogant and sex-filled roles and his show-off personality in interviews used to make me think- "What an annoying person with smooth face and that much bravado " But then, I came to see his film called 'Born on Fourth of July". I was impressed and changed my mind about the lad. I thought he's not some show piece and show piece only. He has much more to offer. And boy, he has been good in so many films that I do like him, now. he also has a very pleasant personality. In his interviews, he doesn't talk much and just keeps giggling with his head down. He wouldn't even pull down the red chair lever in Norton, and he begged Emily Blunt to do that instead. What a nice guy. I think that stupid sofa jumping at Oprah's sobered him up.

That's my fifth done.

The sixth is Julie Walters. I know she has been a brilliant actress for years, but as my first film of hers was only about 7-8 years ago in which she acts a common, rough some, middle aged woman. Some of these actors play their roles so well that you develop an image about them. So, I started to think she was just ok, like. When I saw her in other films, performing varied roles, I became a massive fan of hers. What an actress! Seen her recently on Norton talk show, and boy, she is hilarious off stage!

Turbohot

Seventh is Mr. Daniel day Lewis. I din't previously think any negatively of him, as I hardly knew who he was. What happened was that when his There Will Be Blood was to get Oscars, his pictures started to come up a lot on TV news etc. I also saw him get his academy award, on the TV. Honestly, the guy looked rough as sandpaper, with the earrings and long hair, and mean eyes. But when he opened his mouth to express his gratitude, that was it! I can't believe how well-spoken and composed he was! I did watch that film, in which he's a total contrast to what he looked as a rough one. But then, I watched some of his other films, watched and read his interviews, and found what a decent man he is. Apparently his kids didn't know (perhaps they still don't know) that their dad is such a famous actor. he told them that he was a builder (a traditional job holder) so that they didn't feel influenced in anyway by his dazzling popularity. What a humble guy.

When he looked rough around the edges, though>



When he looks decent as in now>

Kwik

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They're council estate lads, brought up in a home with a violent and then absent father. The book their brother Paul wrote about their upbringing is a good read, and makes a lot of things make sense. There was a quote Noel said years ago "I can either stay and work in the biscuit factory or I can do something with this guitar", something to admire in that I think. His comments on Damon Albarn @4:15 onwards shows how down to earth he is and how he hasn't changed.


To me Noel's lyrics are poetic. I've always preffered the B-side, accoustic songs mostly sung by Noel, not so much the commercially released songs.
Slide away, Married with Children, Cast No Shadow, Masterplan, Talk Tonight I could easily describe as beautiful. I've seen Oasis live 3 times, twice @ Wembley and once at Shephards Bush empire, and I've never seen anyone else that provokes such an atmosphere where everyone is singing every lyric.

As for Liam, what started out as his band only did anything when Noel joined and took the lead. I suppose he had to be contraversial to be anything other than just a singer. He's certainly the last proper rock and roll star this country has produced for god knows how long.

Robbie Williams spent time with Oasis around the time of his departure from Take That. He obviously did something to annoy them as shortly after Noel made his comment about him being a fat dancer. And in reality, he didn't write for Take That and only sang one song and put on a lot of weight, so he wasn't far wrong. This is the same Robbie who taunted Gary Barlow for years whilst Gary was very low. The same Robbie who brought out a cover as his first single, his second "South of the border" was terrible, and realistically would have faded into oblivion if Angels (a song written by someone else and adapted by Guy Chambers) and when Robbie won an Ivor Novello he didn't even acknowledge the original writer.

You can probably tell I'm pretty passionate about the subject lol.

Turbohot

Kwik, I am aware of Oasis brothers' childhood history. That explains a lot, I know. But it doesn't justify their wrongdoings. I'm no one to judge as such but someone from public, who became aware of them, their image, their deeds and their music. I've liked their music, but when it comes to their personalities, I've said what I think. We all have our preferences. I prefer Noel to Liam for Noel's efforts to put him back on track in relation with others around him. He seems to be a better person now.

Robbie is my eighth one. I used to like him for his cheeky mannerisms and his lead singing in 'Could It Be Magic'. When he started mouthing off against Take That, I started to dislike him. Then I learnt of his mental health issues. His cockiness is to do with his lack of confidence. Apparently he has recently circulated his nakkid photograph on the internet to compete with Kim Kardashian. Hilarious man who comes across as a big head loud mouth, but so vulnerable inside that it makes you wanna ask him if he's alright.

Kwik

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I think the majority of Oasis fans prefer Noel to Liam. You're right though, their actions, mainly Liam's, were drumming up attention and headlines. I'd imagine, like you say about Robbie, Liam's cockiness is due to a lack of confidence.
Robbie seems to have grown up over the years after having a baby etc but for me, until he gives the original writer of Angels the full credit he deserves then he's also much like Liam in that he's successful purely from other peoples writing ability. It was only after his solo career started to die a little after he stopped using Chambers as a writer did he then start talking to his old bandmates (who were doing really well) and formed a reunion.

Turbohot

Kwik, Robbie remain very fragile, in my observation.

About Angel, yes, he shouldn't be taking the sole credit if he didn't write it on his tod. But let's face it he made that song so outstanding that it's still played and will be played in weddings and funerals in years to come! Do you know about his live singing of "I just want to feel real love..." in some festival when he lost the plot and cried and cried bucketful of tears after singing it?? Apparently he was in a dreadful state backstage. He also had a terrible trauma when his car hit a fan after he picked his singing up about 5-6 years ago. I do worry for him.

Drugs have a lot to answer for how both Liam and Robbie have behaved over these years, and for even Robbie's mental health issues. Sometimes, people go for drugs due to their mental health issues. Other times, their mental health issues can be drug induced; bringing people's vulnerability to the surface and distorting their sense of reality. In any case, whichever one out of the two singers has been able to put himself back on track is more kudos deserving that the one who remains deluded.

Ninth for me is Will I Am. His name, his clothes and his behaviours seemed a bit atypical and made me unsure of what was going on there. Then I saw him being interviewed a couple of times, and understood that he's an eccentric artist with shed loads of talent and child-like heart. He says that he was diagnosed with ADHD at some point of his life. He funds educational projects via his charity for the young ones to develop, so a kind and thoughtful man as well.

Kwik

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Absolutely, look at some of the greats, mainly in the 27 club we have lost over the years due to drugs and alcohol. Hendrix, Cobain, Winehouse, Moon etc etc.

Turbohot

I know.

There's always a madness behind a super talent, as we know. May it be drug induced or drug inviting. Then they die untimely. Look at that super talented Whitney Houston who wasn't in that Club 27, but still untimely. I hope her daughter pulls through, although it's not looking good for her.

Anyway, here's the tribute to our Robbie:

"I sit and talk to God, he laughs at my plans
My head speak the language that I don't understand..........."


Excellent lyrics and excellent delivery although he could have been, I hear, too coked up in Knebworth hence some deterioration in the melody.

Kwik

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Wasn't that written by Guy Chambers too though?

Definitely true about Whitney. It sometimes makes me wonder when star like her deteriorate, like Michael jackson did the likes of Lennon or Hendrix die too early or would they have become freak shows like others have and tarred their legacy. Those autopsy programmes are a real insight into just how much these people were doing for so long before it finally caught up with them.

Turbohot

To be perfectly honest, I do not know for sure about that. I just like the song, and Robert puts so much emotion in this song with his singing that he makes the song his very own, anyway. Actually, he makes the song everyone's, and that is what's so spectacular and audible about it.

Job of a public performer is an under pressure job. I say public performer, because anyone can sing in shower and dance in front of their mirror without any stress, by oneself. This arts & entertainment is a hugely competitive industry, which music industry falls under. One lives in a hope to be liked by the masses with what one does, fear of failure may run like an undercurrent in the artist in such process, and the dependence on external reviews is so inevitable that the internal being is either crushed or left unattended. More so on the popular level that these performers are. Prevalence of drug abuse may have some connections with that, as well as the fashion of it among that sort, with plenty of money on them. There may not be this 'pressure' theory behind every drug abuser performer, but just getting into drugs for the sake of the social fashion, and then loving them/becoming addictive to them can take one down with it. Pop singers as well as comedians and actors are known to lose it on drugs. Look at George Michael. He walks around like his own ghost in London, I hear. I reckon actor Johny Depp is deep in this drugs sh7t as well, you know. I saw him for 2 minutes on some award ceremony on TV, and he couldn't put two words together, let alone stringing a line together! He was slurring like a drunk, and looked so disoriented. He should have stayed home in bed that night, with a cup of hot cocoa to sober up tbh.

Anyway, I need to think about the tenth famous person who I changed my mind about. I'll have to have a think.

Turbohot

My tenth one is John Lennon.

I didn't know much about him for a long time but his music with the Beatles and without, which was good. So I appreciated him for his music. People also told me that he was a chilled guy, loved yoga and all that. All cool, I thought. Then I read some books about him, written by his close ones and others. I was truly appalled to learn what a nonsense geezer he was! He treated his first lady of his life so badly, his son he hardly attended to, and eventually he fvvked off with that Yoko, leaving his missus and child roughing around by themselves!

Ok, JL also had bad childhood, but so do many, on this earth. I get his pains and behaviours, but I cannot appreciate him inflicting so much pain on the ones that loved and cared for him, and depended on his love and care. What a truly awful man! Since knowing enough about him, each time I hear 'Imagine' now, I think- what a hypocrite junkie with round shades and long hair! Not much, but I have little more respect for Ozzie than I have for Lennon.

daveyj

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I've always found Robbie Williams to be entertaining. If he's ever interviewed I find him quite fascinating to watch as he's usually quick to rip on himself. My only recent gripe with him was that publicity balldocks when his wife was in labour. He took a camera in there and was gallavanting around like some juiced up ***** Wonka whilst his missus was in labour. I'm not a Dad myself but even I thought that was a bit me me me when really it should have been about her...........he'd already had the pleasure so to speak.

Noel Edmunds is on my s""" list. Grew up loving Noel's House Party and got to meet him whilst catering at The Goodwood Festival of Speed back in 2003/4. Bearing in mind every other famous guest there at the time was the epitome of polite, he was an utter helmut, incredibly rude and was an example of not meeting an idol. Big mouth Clarkson, despite his media image, was utterly welcoming and seemed to understand that serving wasn't slavery and didn't treat us as such! Granted, meeting people like this in a professional capacity is probably a world away from being in their friendship group, but I always judge people on how they are with staff as it is normally very telling. Having met a lot of British household names in my industry including the Royal Family, Noel Edmunds sticks out as being number 1 bad apple and, it turns out I'm not alone there.......having met his old make up assistant from Deal or No Deal who was fired citing him being "difficult".

Turbohot

Yes, he is a 'me, me, me', and that's a putting off factor of his personality. You should have seen him in The Progress gig. I don't think there was any progress with any cure for his attention seeking there. His 'me-osis' was so severe that he pulled his trousers down and showed off his y-fronts to the audience!

Glad that your experience with Clarkson was a pleasant one, but I've herd that he can be quite rude to his fans.

I think it depends what mood these celebrities are, when you meet them. I won't want to meet Christian Bale on his bad day. I certainly won't want to cross him while he's meditating with his acting.