Was at Combe today. The Norris Evo was covered in K sport stickers, he's obviously a dealer. What brakes was he running? Brembo 8 pot tarmac brakes on the front and brembo 2 pot rears. Nuff said.

 

to my knowledge Simon runs an 8pot BREMBO set-up and only runs K-sport stickers due to the sponsorship of T/A etc...........

alyn

 

A little birdy told me that he crashed..........Nuff said..........Lol

 

Crashed apparantly due to brake failure of all things too...

Hmmm, 8 pot Brembos eh?

I was joking here by the way lol,

Only said doue to the nature of the thread lol.

 

from the info i have it appeared he boiled his braking fluid so nothing to do with the actual caliper spec..............

 

I was looking at the latest crash , and some of the other stuff he's done , not much of a driver is he ! He good at point and squirt , his car control ( or lack of it ) and lines are awfull.
perhaps he should think about racing something with a lot less power ! here is another vid off the P1 owners club showing in car stuff

http://www.norris-designs.co.uk/May%20day%20crash.wmv

Simon ,if your reading this give me a shout if you want someoone else to drive your car I'd love to have a go in that , ahh full boost at silly revs instead of no boost after 5k in the restricted rally car

Back to the 8 pots , these Brembo's and K sports are worlds apart , I made up a kit for Anthony at Indigo GT not so long ago , AP 362mm discs , the brembo 8 pots , carbotech pads ( 4 per caliper ) , I made up the bells and brackets for him , to fit under his 18" wheels , now these are the dogs whatsits

 

"'Nuff said?"

Enough said to damage a brand needlessly maybe. KSport sponsers Time Attack, all Time Attack and EDC cars run KSport stickers.

'Nuff said'?

 

With a car that spec , I would have thought all precautions to stop this happening would have been done , if anything was wrong with the brakes , it looks like total failure , it didn't try to stop at all. Its a good job he hit that car first and scrubbed off speed , if he'd hit the wall at that speed it could have worked at a lot worse.

 

[quote=Ian Godney;7859847]I was looking at the latest crash , and some of the other stuff he's done , not much of a driver is he ! He good at point and squirt , his car control ( or lack of it ) and lines are awfull.
perhaps he should think about racing something with a lot less power ! here is another vid off the P1 owners club showing in car stuff

Just had a watch of that vid and you're right! He sure can get on the gas soon enough but has no idea about consistant lines through corners and out brakes himself a fair few times and got himself in a right mess because of it the bit at about 2.19ish sums it all up lol he also loves to garb an early apex

 

Who cares how he drives, he never claimed to be anything special, hes just out having some fun doing what he loves to do. Good on him. Ive seen reference to this crash on numerous forums and hes constantly getting a kicking for his driving style. I dont see the need.

 

And if he ends up killing someone will it still be fun ?

I have been rallying for donkey's years , and would love to do track racing , but with people around you with no real skill , makes me say no , fair enough if I crash my car , thats my fault , but for someone else to do it is not for me.

Bren , I'm not picking an argument with you , or anyone else , just speaking as I see it.

Cheers Ian

 

Did you know that Zen (winners of Time Attack Pro last year) are running KSport brakes all round this year? And that Kevin Atkins (winner of Time Attack Club from last year) also run KSport brakes all round? So both series winners from last year have moved to KSport this year. Neither of them are exactly strapped for cash so have the pick of the brakes they want to run.

Zens Impreza running KSport all round

Kevin Atkins MAD Evo running KSport all round

Ian,

Do you think he caused the accident or do you think it was due to mechanical failure and therefore out of his hands. Thats the question, if hes responsible then thats one thing, if hes not and it doesnt matter how he drives then his style and skill level isnt an issue.

 

Hi Bren
If the official word is that it was brake failure , then its not down to him , I cant say for deffinate as I wasn't there and havent seen the car , the last crash when he hit that 106 was , and looking at the latest video , it could have happened a few times through the race. His skill level is not on par with the car.

 

You can see him trying the pedal a couple of times before veering off track in an attempt to avoid a serious incident. Fairly quick thinking if thats the case. The upcoming corners a bytch, its tight with virtually no run off. You can see the back markers and traffic in front of Norris, to keep your head and choose to try to miss the whole lot when suddenly realising youve lost all brakes is pretty good going.

 

I have just watched the vid in work , on a 19" screen which is a damn sight better than my lap top at home , you can hear the squeeking of the brake pedal , it would be interesting to hear exactly what went wrong with the brakes , running his set up I would have thought that it would have been a gradual problem , not a sudden lack of brakes

 

Simon thinks boiling fluid. Hes running R600+. Apparently its a very hydroscopic fluid that should ideally be replaced between each race due to low wet boiling point. It wa sonly 1 meet old.

 

Its very strange that there was no warning beforehand , you would usually start getting problems with the pedal leading up to that , If someone had showed me the video and asked my opinion , with hearing the pedal being pushed I would have said fluid loss , but obviously it has been checked by the officials.

I left foot brake a lot in my rally car , and loosing the pedal is a gradual thing with me , but even that doesn't happen very often

Cheers Ian

 

Having had a sudden "no warning" brake failure due to boiled brake fluid going into copse at silverstone at 140+, i can tell you its scary as hell, and there was absolutely no hint of poor brakes at the previous 2 corners.

In my case, pumping the pedal to the floor several times managed to cure the problem and allowed me just enough time to knock a bit of speed off and utilise the vast run off area there. I was lucky, Simon wasnt.

 

Just thought I should point out that I went home after the Caterham Mega-grads race so my original post was made before I knew he'd crashed let alone that it was alleged to be due to brake failure.

 

Back on topic, I think a more valid question would be 'K-Sport only half the price of AP, are they only half the performance ?'

I would have to guess that the answer is probably no ! Only read good things about the K-Sport kits.

I don't know if it is possible or if anyone is interested enough but a back to back objective comparison on the same car would settle it and make very interesting reading. You would need to compare overall stopping distances wet and dry, resistance to fade after repeated stops etc (I know you would have to make sure factors like tyres, fluid and pad choice were taken into account)

 

I dont know this guy from adam, it's obvious to anyone watching that video that he clearly cannot handle the car! regardless of what did or did'nt happen to his brakes! the man is a menace to any one on the track imo, and it's no wonder he is getting stick on other forums! im all for people having fun as i do on track days, its also my experience of people like him that has made me decide to go hill climbing and sprinting.
This post is not intended as a dig at the driver,but if he can afford to drive a car like that he can afford some driver training!
Which is what he obviously needs,if not for his own safty then for the safty of his fellow competetors! If those that are defending him are his friends then they should advise him to do so, then they may continue to enjoy his friendship for years to come as apposed to attending his funeral! god forbid.

 

Interesting video of Norris's Evo, his car certainly looked a handful, the red Evo was a lot slower yet it caught right up at every corner.

With regards to the original poster, K-Sports 8-Pots are a lot cheaper than AP 8 pots thus I would expect the AP's to be better, but despite this I have just bought a K-Sports 8 Pot kit as they are much more affordable and give a nice increase in performance for not a great deal of cash.

 

KSport has a different business plan to the other brands. Dont think for a minute that price is a reflection of quality, price is an indication of the turnover we and KSport generate for the products and that we work on just that, turnover, not maximised margins.

Our Impreza had a just been fitted 330mm 6 pot kit on it when we bought it. It was swapped for a KSport kit with an improvement in braking performance although to be fair I put that entirely down to a much better quality pad used with the KSport kit as opposed to KSport basically being superior. The point is that theres no indication that the KSport is inferior to the other kit despite costing £555 less! Make that £726 less with the current KSport group buy.

As I say, most brake companies work on maximum margin and small turnover. KSport require us to turnover lots of products so we work on minimal margins, maximum turnover. We could quite easily have launched KSport with the same target price as KAD, Scooby Clinic, Tarox etc. The quality certainly justifys such a marketing stance. The turnover achieved, however, wouldnt fit our overall plan.

The group buy prices really do leave you guys with a ludicrous quality kit at an amazing price, they really are a complete and utter steal

We are fully aware of this "cheap therefore crap" perception floating around at the moment but this image is being blown into the weeds each and everytime a new customer fits one of the kits and they realise how good they genuingly are. Word of mouth is spreading hard and fast and for a very good reason