messiah

Anyone got any views on how these 2 tyres compare?

Got the goodyears on at the mo but need a couple of new ones - although Camskill are doing an offer of doing all 4 Toyo's for £295.

Scoobydick

Very similar, F1's a small bit grippier in dry and a bit grippier agian in the wet. Both have similar tread, soft sidewalls, similar wear, similar handling but Toyo's are cheaper.

john banks

Put the Toyos on the axle you want to lose grip on first then

spikus1969

Hello John ive been asked to ask by John Riley at Brakes4u if you got the pads
especially the new design ones

mbayley77

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Have found that the eagles are better overall but the price difference does not warrant the gain you get in my oppinion. The price of 295 seems expensive. My 205/40/17's cost me about 45 plus vat fitted balanced etc. Thats not a deal thats just the cost to jo public.

MarksWRX

Where do you get toyos for £45

messiah

Ditto MarksWRX - I could probably do a 500 mile round trip to have them fitted and still be quids in...

BlkKnight

contact number for supplier of toyo's pls :-)

mbayley77

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mid devon tyres - not sure of the number though.

Jay_bee

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Erm... surely for 17" rims, you want 215's not 205's??

Flatcapdriver

It depends on what set up you're running. My car with Eibachs was hopeless with Toyos fitted and very scary in the wet compared to the GSD3s which have the added bonus of no understeer which was another problem with the Toyos.

They may work well on your car, however.

urban

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I'll second that.

I've got the toyo's on an MY02STI, bog standard car except for PPP.
Worst tyre ever in my opinion, **** on damp, slightly less **** in the wet, OK in the dry.

Never again will I buy these things, I have had the F1's which were a completly different tyre, but they'll not last too long.

Shaun

jammers

I'll third that ..
I've had both Toyo's and F1's on my 200sx and to say the rear end was a nightmare to control is an understatement, the Toyo's were only on for 3 weeks, i rapidly changed them to F1's, which i should have done in the first place but the toyo's were being done at such a good deal ....
Never, Never again will i have Toyo's - they don't inspire confidence ... but again its only my opinion .....
I did measure the width of both tyre's and the Toyo has half a cm less tread in contact with the road than the F1.

James

Jay_bee

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Interesting... I may have to give them (F1's) a try next time Im ready for some new tyres, although the T1-Rs seem to be lasting rather well compared to the T1-S's. I've always thought the slight difference in grip didnt warrant in the extra cost but I may investigate a bit more

J

messiah

Just found out that the supplier of my T1-R's has gone and sold them to someone else - maybe someone's trying to tell me something...

big mike

Having a set of 4 Toyo Proxes T1-R fitted on saturday. Not only that mid devon tyres is only just up the road! I paid black circles £410 for them.

Let you know how good they are on Sat! Got Goodyear GSD3's fitted at the moment. Car MY97 wagon, 215 40 R17 Standard apart from Whiteline suspension goodies

Mike

urban

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We'll let them bed in a bit first, but after that I'll just wish you good luck.
Having said all that, its depends on how you drive too.

Take your self off and buy some new boxers beforehand

Shaun

jammers

PMSL

mark6

must admit i found the toyo's just how you describe,ok on dry use ok'ish in the wet but in the slightly moist/damp conditions i found them terrible,the only tyres i have used that i rate all round are the f1's and the b.stone s-02pp's.i've got a set of alloys on order and was gonna give the michelin ps2's a try as these are suppose to be a new contender for the top.

grobby

F1s are the best tyres I have used on my STI02 by a large margin. Quite staggering wet weather grip compared to the OE Bridgestone RE040. I read a tyre test in Autocar and from 60 mph on flooded skid pan the F1s stopped the car (Toyota Celica I think) in 7 meters less than any other tyre, Bridgestone S02PP and S03PP were also in the test, F1 caned them in wet and equal performance in the dry.
F1s definitely the leader in wet conditions, not quite the best in the dry this was Michelin Pilot Sport but the F1s won the test overall. The only drawback is you sacrifice longetivity for grip but well worth it in my opinion.

Flatcapdriver

Although, having said that the GSD3s were the dog's danglies I'm going to try Pirelli Neros next as I'm moving up to 18" wheels so I'll report back although the difference in wheel size is sure to have some impact on grip.

Silverone2

I just bought some 205-40-17 T1-S's for £59.90 each from mills auto's. Haven't fitted them yet as i've got a wheel nut that is completely jammed on and needs the stud removing. Should be done by Monday night. Looking forward to testing the Toyo's.

big mike

Well I had my brand new Toyo T1-R's fitted today.

All I can say is fantastic

Do not believe these people who knock them, they are stunning on a damp greasy road. The drive to mortenhampsted was along typical damp Dartmoor roads and my Goodyear GSD3's were locking up for fun. Toyo's fitted and stunning levels of grip.

I must say on my MY97 I am thrilled, maybe the guys with the higher spec/newer cars have a very different geometry setup that either uses the GSD3's really well or the Toyo's poorly?

Any how I will report back on the performance in different conditions.

I am really thrilled at the moment.

The biggest annoyance was the price, black circles did the 4 (215/40 r17) were £410 fitted. After lots of badgering they told me they could have done them for £77 a corner fitted

So ring mid devon tyres in mortenhampsted and say mike with the dark green subaru wagon sent you!!!
01647 440905
Mid Devon Tyres Ltd
Unit 1D Betton Way Industrial Estate
Moreton Hampstead
Newton Abbot
Devon
TQ13 8NA


Keep you informed,

Mike

Jay_bee

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You like them then Mike?

I know what yer saying, I find that in the dry, the grip is very good, in the very wet again, very good... on damp greasy roads.. pretty similar to most performance tyres... they're good upto a point.. at which, you shouldnt be doing that sort of thing on public roads in those type of conditions anyway

J

BTW: I have an STi V5 Type R, roughly 330 -340 BHP (at the moment )

harvey

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I have had several sets of F1 GD3s on several cars. Better than anything else I have used to date. 215 40 17. Increased tyre pressure ensures there is less wall flex. On Thursday I fitted a set of T1R 215 40 17 as I was impressed with the Toyo T1S on Alan Bells car (215 35 18) and if the advertising blurb is true (and it may not be) the T1R are even better in the rain.
Most miles since in that car have been motorway or in dry cross country but I will report my findings when they have been properly tried in the wet.

alanbell

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That will do for me Harvey, I will need new tyres after scooby shoot out , Ill try the T1R Toyo >> if they are better than the T1S they will do me , cheers,

Jay_bee

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I've had the T1-Rs on mine now for nearly 7000 miles, normally by this stage the T1-Ss I used to use would be pretty well scrubbed on the inside and outside shoulders, but the new ones look absolutely fine, not scrubbed at all!

J

johnfelstead

if you fancy being a bit diferent. Try some Maragoni Zeta Linea, They are very sticky.

urban

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OK, so the T1-R's must be substancially better that the T1-S's then.
I can honestly tell you that there is absolutely no grip at all from these things in the damp.

As I said before - OK in the dry, so so in the wet, but scarey in damp or greasy conditions.

Shaun

harvey

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Who sells the macarroni tyres then John?
After some hard driving today I am impressed with the T1R but have to run them in heavy rain to make a final assessment.