Andy Burrell

With the amount of Tyre questions that come up and because I need to soon get some new tyres, I had the brave idea of trying to put together some sort of Scooby Net users guide on Tyre performance. I thought I would start with the Standard 16" size and the favorite 215/40x17"
With the following categories:

Wet Grip
Dry Grip
Road Noise
Mileage
Cost

using a basic scale of 1 to 5, 1 being poor and 5 being excellent

As for Tyres my list currently contains

Toyo Proxes T1-S
Bridgestone S02-PP
Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D2
Yokohama A520 and A539
Falken GRB
Pirelli Pzero and P7000
Dunlop SP9000

If you have any others let me know.

If I get enough feedback I will publish it on my website when I re-vamp it next month.

Mike Tuckwood

Hi Andy.


I had Fulda Extremo's (215 x 40 x 17) on my old WRX and they were excellent.

sammyh

iTrader: (1)

Just got falken FK451 and i am very impressed with them, better than toyos but I'm not sure if they are as good as SO2's but they cant be beaten for price.

Pete N

Andy,

fantastic idea! looking back over previous posts on this subject (now search is back ) is really confusing - its difficult to sort out what the common opinion on anything is because of the mix of tyre (rim) size, and whether people are talking wet or dry grip, road or track, how they drive (tyre wear rates), what their suspension is etc. Plus everyone has different perception and preferences! Good luck!!

Good timing too as I'm about in need of new tyres. Any early impressions for 16" yet??

P.

JCM76

Recentley upgraded my Legacy to 16" rims with avon zz1 rubber, 500 trouble free miles so far, can be a bit noisyon the motorway, but not too bad.

As for prices, got the tyres for 62 quid a corner, plus the VAT, from Wheelworks in Moseley,- Birmingham

Andy Burrell

The info is all well and good but unless I get ratings a database containing just vague impressions is not a lot of use.

A

DaveW

Andy,

Here are my comments for your database. These are for the standard 205x50x16 tyres on a MY99. Oh and I've added a section for how the tyre breaks away as I find that an important consideration when I buy tyres. Its one reason why I've not bought S02's as I've been told they break away suddenly.

Toyo Proxes T1-S

4 Wet Grip
3 Dry Grip
3 Road Noise
3 Mileage (at 9k so far and looking OK)
5 Cost (£70 each)
5 Progression on break away

Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D2

4 Wet Grip
3 Dry Grip
3 Road Noise
3 Mileage (10k a set)
5 Cost (£75 each)
5 Progression on break away

Bridgestone OEM S01

2 Wet Grip
3 Dry Grip
4 Road Noise
3 Mileage (10k a set)
1 Cost (haven't bought any but I know they are expensive)
3 Progression on break away

DaveW

Doc

Charles

20,000 miles on a set of SO2's!!!
I got stick when I said mine needed replacing at 13,000.

Andy

SO2 PP 205/50ZR16

wet grip 5
dry grip 4
road noise 3
mileage 3
cost 1
break away 4

[This message has been edited by Doc (edited 23 January 2001).]

sammyh

iTrader: (1)

Falken fk451
17"
Wet grip 4
Dry grip 4
road noise 3
milage ? new at the moment
cost 5

Falken Ze 502
17"
Wet grip 1
Dry grip 2
road noise 3
milage 4
cost 5



[This message has been edited by sammyh (edited 24 January 2001).]

Andy Burrell

Excellent one Dave at least someone out there understands the question.

CharlesW

Andy

The following comments refer to 205/50-16 tyres. I am now on my 3rd set of SO-2 PP's.
The first 2 sets have lasted just over 20k miles per set. I have not noticed that they break away suddenly. When they do lose grip it is gradual, unless lift-off oversteer is involved. This is quite sudden, but also easy to rectify if you are quick with the throttle and the steering. Also they have good grip on snow.

Bridgestone SO-2 PP

5 Wet Grip
4 Dry Grip
3 Road Noise
4 Mileage (20k a set)
3 Cost ( the last set cost £85 + VAT per tyre)
5 Progression on break away

GaryC

SO2 PPs 17"

Wet Grip - 5
Dry Grip - 4
Road Noise - 3
Mileage - 4
Cost - 4

SO2 (non PP) 17"

Wet Grip - 4
Dry Grip - 5
Road Noise - 3
Mileage - 3
Cost - 4

Yokohama A520 16"

Wet Grip - 3
Dry Grip - 5
Road Noise - 4
Mileage - 2
Cost - 3

Falken 451 17"

Wet Grip - 1
Dry Grip - 3
Road Noise - 3
Mileage - 2
Cost - 5 (they were free!!)

P-Zeros 17"

Wet Grip - 3
Dry Grip - 4
Road Noise - 4
Mileage - 4
Cost - 3


[This message has been edited by GaryC (edited 24 January 2001).]

sammyh

iTrader: (1)

Gary you probably had a dogy set of Fk451's as mine are nearly as good as my brothers S02s

gregh

Andy,

Are you going to put all this stuff on a website? Perhaps searchable info?

cheers,

Greg

Andy Burrell

Thats the idea, not quite sure what format yet but as sonn as I get enough info I will let everyone know.

Andy

GaryC

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by sammyh:
<B>Gary you probably had a dogy set of Fk451's as mine are nearly as good as my brothers S02s[/quote]

Or perhaps your brothers SO2s are dodgy!

The Falkens were absolutly crap. I had more wet grip in a Golf GTI with eagle NCT2s than in an impreza with Falkens in it. But then they were free with the wheels! - guess it says it all really

Comparing Falkens and S02s is like comparing a Proton GTi to an STi!!

sammyh

iTrader: (1)

Gary I am extremly impressed with the Fk 451s are you sure you didnt have the Grb or the Ze 502? I seem to remember Bob Rawle recomending the a while ago, his oppinion should count for something.

NITO

Here goes...

17" Rims Yokohama A520 215/40/17

wet grip - 3
dry grip - 3.5
road noise - ? (can't remember-loud exhaust)
mileage - 2 (10-12k ish)
cost - 4 (can't remember)

17" Rims Pirelli P-zero 205/45/17

wet grip -4
dry grip -4
road noise -4
mileage -3(15+k ish)
cost -4 (£120 per tyre)

18" Rims Pirelli P7000 215/35/18

wet grip -5
dry grip -5
road noise -4
mileage -4 (20k ish)
cost -4 (£120 per tyre)

Nito

edited..forgot to put in one tyre size

[This message has been edited by NITO (edited 23 January 2001).]

Andy Tang

iTrader: (3)

Dunlop SP9000 - 205/45R17

Wet Grip 2
Dry Grip 2
Road Noise 4
Mileage 5 - 25,000 miles (2mm front, 3mm rear)
Cost 4 - £95 per corner!!

Bridgestone SO2 Pole Postions - 215/40R17

Wet Grip 4
Dry Grip 5
Road Noise 4
Mileage 3
Cost 2

Pirelli PZero - 205/45R17

Wet Grip 3
Dry Grip 4
Road Noise 3
Mileage 4
Cost 1

The only ones I would use again are the SO2's!

Dul

Standard 16”

Goodyear Eagle F1
5 Wet Grip
2 Dry Grip
3 Road Noise
3 Mileage
5 Cost

Bridgestone OEM
3 Wet Grip
3 Dry Grip
3 Road Noise
2 Mileage
3 Cost

P-Zeros
3 Wet Grip
4 Dry Grip
4 Road Noise
3 Mileage
1 Cost

Cheers!

Al.

Renrag

This is a great idea. Sorry I can't contribute as I'm on my first Scooby and my first set of P zero's. However, this is the info I need to make my next choice and hopefully then I can pay my dues.

Mungo

Avon ZZ1 for 205/45/16

Wet Grip 2
Dry Grip 2
Road Noise 2
Mileage 5
Cost 4

hooksin

Andy, good luck with the database:

first scooby bought 4 months ago with 215 40 R17 running Bridgestone SO1's, only been on 4 months so hard to rate against anything else, but here's my estimation:

Wet Grip=3
Dry Grip=4
Road Noise=3
Mileage=3
Cost=3

cost £130 per corner inc vat/balancing

carl

GaryC and sammyh -- any chance you could edit your posts to include the wheel sizes. AIUI there are people who don't rate SO2s for 16" but rave about them for 17", and converse true for Toyo T1-Ss.

GaryC

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by carl:
<B>GaryC and sammyh -- any chance you could edit your posts to include the wheel sizes. AIUI there are people who don't rate SO2s for 16" but rave about them for 17", and converse true for Toyo T1-Ss.[/quote]

Andy Burrell

I need more input !!!!!!!!

DJB

Only got these tyres 3 weeks ago, so early days:

P-Zero 205/50 X 16

Wet Grip 4
Dry Grip 4
Road Noise 4
Mileage too early to tell
Cost 4 (£440 for 4)
Progression of breakaway too early to tell

D.

SteveB

iTrader: (1)

Yokohama A520 215/40/17

WG - 3
DG - 4
Wear - 3
Noise - ? don't care
Miles - 3
Cost - 3
Breakaway - 4

Bridgestone SO2 pp 215/40/17

WG - 5
DG - 4 - 1st 500 miles - 2
Wear - 3
Noise - ?
Miles - 3
Breakaway - 1st 500 miles - 1
after - 4

Steve.

Andy Burrell

Thanks to everyone so far.

I have had 27 different ratings on various tyre types but still need more.

I have worked out how to show the data and just need to do a bit with Excel and some web pages.

Keep it coming

Gussie Cup

Bridgestone S01 16"

Wet Grip 2
Dry grip 3
Noise 4
Miles 18k
Cost On car when bought
Breakwaway - 3 (progressive but begins early)

Yoko A520 215/40/17

Wet Grip 3
Dry Grip 4
Noise Louder exhaust so.....
Miles Were 2nd hand when bought
Cost Were 2nd hand.....
Breakaway 4 (Gradual and controllable)

Toyo T1 215/40/17

Wet Grip 4
Dry Grip 4
Noise Loud Exhaust
Miles Only 2 weeks old
Cost £100 per corner
Breakaway 5 (Very controllable and gradual)

Enjoying the Toyos!!