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Oh yeah, that'd help.
Budgetting for the Brembo kit, i.e, about 1-1.5k should do it.
I know the SS kit is very good, just want to look at other options.
Main requirement is that the car stops after a few circuit laps!
Budgetting for the Brembo kit, i.e, about 1-1.5k should do it.
I know the SS kit is very good, just want to look at other options.
Main requirement is that the car stops after a few circuit laps!
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Howdy...
AP do some very good brakes... But I will let someone else tell you about those...
Alcon disks ? (Prodrive Grp N)
It all depends on what upgrade and how much you want to spend ?
Complete new calipers, hubs and disks ? just disks ? just pads ? new lines ? etc...
All depends on budget...
J.
AP do some very good brakes... But I will let someone else tell you about those...
Alcon disks ? (Prodrive Grp N)
It all depends on what upgrade and how much you want to spend ?
Complete new calipers, hubs and disks ? just disks ? just pads ? new lines ? etc...
All depends on budget...
J.
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I've put Wilwood 4-pots on the front with 315x32mm disks. Plus braided hoses all around. (On my MY96 that is). The difference is amazing - the ABS can be activated in the dry now. No way would that happen with the standard calipers. I find myself having to speed up for junctions as I'm still braking as per the standard brakes.
Haven't noticed any fade yet but then I haven't really tested them in anger - certainly not on a race track.
The feel is still a little spongy as:
a) I still have the old dodgy fluid in them - dunno when it was changed last but one of the rear bleed nipples had to be drilled out to clear it. This is with a complete Subaru service record so there is no way they changed the fluid at it's last service that they were meant to!
b) I didn't clean up the rear sliding calipers. From many years experience of them on old motorbikes any stickyness in the sliding mechanism and/or pistons will make the brakes feel spongy.
The other thing I haven't done yet is try them against Brembos. Anyone in the Berks area wanna compare brakes (mine's bigger than yours ....)?
But I only paid £950 for the front stoppers and disks, 4 braided hoses, having them fitted, having new Grp N rear disks fitted PLUS having 3 grooves put into the rears to match the fronts. (3 wide grooves to stop glazing).
Dave
Haven't noticed any fade yet but then I haven't really tested them in anger - certainly not on a race track.
The feel is still a little spongy as:
a) I still have the old dodgy fluid in them - dunno when it was changed last but one of the rear bleed nipples had to be drilled out to clear it. This is with a complete Subaru service record so there is no way they changed the fluid at it's last service that they were meant to!
b) I didn't clean up the rear sliding calipers. From many years experience of them on old motorbikes any stickyness in the sliding mechanism and/or pistons will make the brakes feel spongy.
The other thing I haven't done yet is try them against Brembos. Anyone in the Berks area wanna compare brakes (mine's bigger than yours ....)?
But I only paid £950 for the front stoppers and disks, 4 braided hoses, having them fitted, having new Grp N rear disks fitted PLUS having 3 grooves put into the rears to match the fronts. (3 wide grooves to stop glazing).
Dave
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hutton-d, I was told that fitting some 4-pots can make the pedal spongy, as some need more hydraulic capacity to move the pistons, and the original braking system was not designed to move those capacities. Or something like that? Anyway, that applys to all cars, not just Imprezas. Hope thats not the cause of yours,
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hutton-d, I was told that fitting some 4-pots can make the pedal spongy, as some need more hydraulic capacity to move the pistons, and the original braking system was not designed to move those capacities. Or something like that? Anyway, that applys to all cars, not just Imprezas. Hope thats not the cause of yours,
Regards, Mark
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hutton-d, I was told that fitting some 4-pots can make the pedal spongy, as some need more hydraulic capacity to move the pistons, and the original braking system was not designed to move those capacities. Or something like that? Anyway, that applys to all cars, not just Imprezas. Hope thats not the cause of yours,
Regards, Mark
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Thanks for that Mark - I can see the theory. But the pedal is now significantly improved over what it was - just a little *sponginess* left which is down, I believe, to the reasons I said. I'll have to get around to replacing that fluid - and cleaning my rear calipers. Then again, I may just replace them with the smaller Wilwood 4-pots.
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Hi Craig,
No - no dust seals - the pistons are SS though.
I got them from Hi Spec Motorsport down near the bottom end of the Dartford Tunnel. If I remember I'll bring their number in tomorrow.
FYI they will add any hole/groove pattern you want if that's what you're after. I decided against holes 'cos they mean you lose friction area plus they can set up cracks. And the centres and brackets are all alloy. As are the calipers. I cannot believe that the standard calipers are so damn heavy!
They also do a 28mm disk with a spacer bracket for the caliper that is about 300/315mm in diameter (I forget exactly how big - but it will fit under 16s). The advantage of this is you get more braking for least cost as you do not need to change wheels. They need toi fit this as they have to *relieve* the caliper slightly to fit over the thicker disk. It very nearly fits apparently (standard is 24 or 25mm).
Dave
No - no dust seals - the pistons are SS though.
I got them from Hi Spec Motorsport down near the bottom end of the Dartford Tunnel. If I remember I'll bring their number in tomorrow.
FYI they will add any hole/groove pattern you want if that's what you're after. I decided against holes 'cos they mean you lose friction area plus they can set up cracks. And the centres and brackets are all alloy. As are the calipers. I cannot believe that the standard calipers are so damn heavy!
They also do a 28mm disk with a spacer bracket for the caliper that is about 300/315mm in diameter (I forget exactly how big - but it will fit under 16s). The advantage of this is you get more braking for least cost as you do not need to change wheels. They need toi fit this as they have to *relieve* the caliper slightly to fit over the thicker disk. It very nearly fits apparently (standard is 24 or 25mm).
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Er... Dave
Its illegal and dangerous to use calipers that don't have dust seals on the road. These will have been designed for limited track use, not the salt and grime of our roads.
All of the leading makes of calipers have dust seals and I'm sure that Wilwood will have road legal ones too. I would check that have given you the right ones.
Its illegal and dangerous to use calipers that don't have dust seals on the road. These will have been designed for limited track use, not the salt and grime of our roads.
All of the leading makes of calipers have dust seals and I'm sure that Wilwood will have road legal ones too. I would check that have given you the right ones.
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