really not sure on coilovers
really not sure on coilovers
il be selling my spring & shock setup shortly in favour of more adjustability in coilovers with pillowballs mounts etc
just not sure which ones to go for? buy a budget set or spend a tad more on something awesome? do they all do the same job or are the exensive ones really really worth it?
just not sure which ones to go for? buy a budget set or spend a tad more on something awesome? do they all do the same job or are the exensive ones really really worth it?
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Not sure if it'll be the same but i bought cheap ebay coilovers for my corsa redtop and wish i'd just gone for a decent set of bilsteins now, the adjustability is good and they've done their job but i really think it could of handled better with a decent shock spring combo.
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Hi Wrighty
Are you sure you want to go down the coilover route? If you get some with the pillowball top mounts, you WILL be in for a firm ride! Suspension is a subjective thing, but some have found even the coilovers at the soft end of the spectrum to be too much and don't even use the adjustability of the units!
I have a Tein Superstreet set up for sale with Electronic Damping Force Control if you have a classic. Worth about 1.3k, Letting it go for 800 ono. The reason? Overkill for me; I just don't need the adjustability.
Going to most coilovers for handling is a bit like going to Starbucks for coffee, you'll get it, but it's gonna be rough!
Are you sure you want to go down the coilover route? If you get some with the pillowball top mounts, you WILL be in for a firm ride! Suspension is a subjective thing, but some have found even the coilovers at the soft end of the spectrum to be too much and don't even use the adjustability of the units!
I have a Tein Superstreet set up for sale with Electronic Damping Force Control if you have a classic. Worth about 1.3k, Letting it go for 800 ono. The reason? Overkill for me; I just don't need the adjustability.
Going to most coilovers for handling is a bit like going to Starbucks for coffee, you'll get it, but it's gonna be rough!
For me i would save that bit more and go for the mono flex coilovers from tein,so much better than the super streets!
What will you be using the car for?
Mind you, the price above is pretty good,and the edfc makes a big difference.
What will you be using the car for?
Mind you, the price above is pretty good
,and the edfc makes a big difference.
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a) Wasn't on a track frequently
b) Didn't like it rough
Suspension is a subjective thing though!
Hi Wrighty
Are you sure you want to go down the coilover route? If you get some with the pillowball top mounts, you WILL be in for a firm ride! Suspension is a subjective thing, but some have found even the coilovers at the soft end of the spectrum to be too much and don't even use the adjustability of the units!
I have a Tein Superstreet set up for sale with Electronic Damping Force Control if you have a classic. Worth about 1.3k, Letting it go for 800 ono. The reason? Overkill for me; I just don't need the adjustability.
Going to most coilovers for handling is a bit like going to Starbucks for coffee, you'll get it, but it's gonna be rough!
Are you sure you want to go down the coilover route? If you get some with the pillowball top mounts, you WILL be in for a firm ride! Suspension is a subjective thing, but some have found even the coilovers at the soft end of the spectrum to be too much and don't even use the adjustability of the units!
I have a Tein Superstreet set up for sale with Electronic Damping Force Control if you have a classic. Worth about 1.3k, Letting it go for 800 ono. The reason? Overkill for me; I just don't need the adjustability.
Going to most coilovers for handling is a bit like going to Starbucks for coffee, you'll get it, but it's gonna be rough!
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The truth is most of the lower end are worse than a std setup, such as the P1 (which is great btw)
The physical design has nothing to do with how soft or hard a coilover is, its all to do with what its designed for. ie. road or track.
Its impossible IMHO to buy something at the "normal" mans end of the spectrum that would be fit for purpose to do both. Yeah you may get afew with adjustable damping that you can play with, but the truth is 99% wouldnt know what to tweek anyway. (me included btw). Not to mention you would need to change springs etc.
I think you would be best deciding what the car is going to be used for 99% of the time before you go to the expense of buying suspension..........
The best I had was on my Pug rally car, they where fixed rate pugsport billes, they where awesome, but only when going fast......
The physical design has nothing to do with how soft or hard a coilover is, its all to do with what its designed for. ie. road or track.
Its impossible IMHO to buy something at the "normal" mans end of the spectrum that would be fit for purpose to do both. Yeah you may get afew with adjustable damping that you can play with, but the truth is 99% wouldnt know what to tweek anyway. (me included btw). Not to mention you would need to change springs etc.
I think you would be best deciding what the car is going to be used for 99% of the time before you go to the expense of buying suspension..........
The best I had was on my Pug rally car, they where fixed rate pugsport billes, they where awesome, but only when going fast......
I've got bc's on my classic, they are firm but not too harsh. They certainly take a bit of getting used to though. Personally I'd look into getting some standard sti units.
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The truth is most of the lower end are worse than a std setup, such as the P1 (which is great btw)
The physical design has nothing to do with how soft or hard a coilover is, its all to do with what its designed for. ie. road or track.
Its impossible IMHO to buy something at the "normal" mans end of the spectrum that would be fit for purpose to do both. Yeah you may get afew with adjustable damping that you can play with, but the truth is 99% wouldnt know what to tweek anyway. (me included btw). Not to mention you would need to change springs etc.
I think you would be best deciding what the car is going to be used for 99% of the time before you go to the expense of buying suspension..........
The best I had was on my Pug rally car, they where fixed rate pugsport billes, they where awesome, but only when going fast......
The physical design has nothing to do with how soft or hard a coilover is, its all to do with what its designed for. ie. road or track.
Its impossible IMHO to buy something at the "normal" mans end of the spectrum that would be fit for purpose to do both. Yeah you may get afew with adjustable damping that you can play with, but the truth is 99% wouldnt know what to tweek anyway. (me included btw). Not to mention you would need to change springs etc.
I think you would be best deciding what the car is going to be used for 99% of the time before you go to the expense of buying suspension..........
The best I had was on my Pug rally car, they where fixed rate pugsport billes, they where awesome, but only when going fast......
Had a chat with a specialist recently and he pretty much dismissed the entire range of coilovers for fast road use on the basis they were too hard, or too prone to leaking! Eibach's Pro S by all accounts are much better being specified for road use.
I'll let you know in about a month!
Yep, but even some that are advertised for street use, would give some a big shock! I would not go any harder than my Tein Superstreet's for road use and they're advertised as road/some track use!
Had a chat with a specialist recently and he pretty much dismissed the entire range of coilovers for fast road use on the basis they were too hard, or too prone to leaking! Eibach's Pro S by all accounts are much better being specified for road use.
I'll let you know in about a month!
Had a chat with a specialist recently and he pretty much dismissed the entire range of coilovers for fast road use on the basis they were too hard, or too prone to leaking! Eibach's Pro S by all accounts are much better being specified for road use.
I'll let you know in about a month!
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Well if you have a classic and are after a premium quality set up with electronic damping adjustment at a reasonable price, then my super streets are up for grabs!
I have always found suspension to be a personal affair, I have always found a lot of cars far too soft for my liking. Maybe you should be looking into anti roll bar setups first off before getting the uprated suspenion, replace all the bushes/ARB drop links tyres etc.
That way, you will still have a half decent spring rate the rest of the setup is virtually new and should reduce the body roll with a good level of comfort.
I have always found coilovers to be ideal for me as i like the adjustability and can spend hours tweeking playing changing the damper spring setup and then testing on local B/A roads. For a lot of people a better option would be something with a fixed rate spring alongside an adjustable damper something like a KONI/eibach setup as you have less to worry about.
That way, you will still have a half decent spring rate the rest of the setup is virtually new and should reduce the body roll with a good level of comfort.
I have always found coilovers to be ideal for me as i like the adjustability and can spend hours tweeking playing changing the damper spring setup and then testing on local B/A roads. For a lot of people a better option would be something with a fixed rate spring alongside an adjustable damper something like a KONI/eibach setup as you have less to worry about.
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Coilovers for me (BC's) gave a better ride and better handling than the std (30k Miles old) 03sti suspension, less bouncy but firmer figure that!
I would buy BC's again if I bought another scoob, excellent coilovers for my rather quick family car
Other makes are available including the lovely ohlins, KW etc but they cost a bit too much for the miles I do.
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I would buy BC's again if I bought another scoob, excellent coilovers for my rather quick family car
Other makes are available including the lovely ohlins, KW etc but they cost a bit too much for the miles I do.
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Suspension is indeed a really subjective thing and is heavily influenced by the context in which the car is used.
Dave, the reason you've got less bounce is probably that the dampers are set to keep the springs in tighter check....softer does not always = better primary ride.
BCs have a reputation for being comfortable, and the Teins are advertised as "being able to virtually eliminate discomfort on uneven surfaces"
The specialist who I referred to earlier....his opinion: Both too hard for fast road and he'll have seen a lot of cars with them fitted!
Just goes to show, you MUST test any suspension on the type of roads you drive on before buying. Get it wrong and it'll really spoil your enjoyment of the car. Poor Dunx appears to have come a cropper in this regard. He really doesn't like the Superstreets attached to his car. Whereas I have got on well with them and others swear by them!
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Dave, the reason you've got less bounce is probably that the dampers are set to keep the springs in tighter check....softer does not always = better primary ride.
BCs have a reputation for being comfortable, and the Teins are advertised as "being able to virtually eliminate discomfort on uneven surfaces"
The specialist who I referred to earlier....his opinion: Both too hard for fast road and he'll have seen a lot of cars with them fitted!
Just goes to show, you MUST test any suspension on the type of roads you drive on before buying. Get it wrong and it'll really spoil your enjoyment of the car. Poor Dunx appears to have come a cropper in this regard. He really doesn't like the Superstreets attached to his car. Whereas I have got on well with them and others swear by them!
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On track there are just about right, but B-road blasting is limited by the car's behaviour, it used to be just my fear levels....
I almost think I need a 2nd car as it's one step too extreme for a road car.
IMHO
dunx
P.S. The Flex system may have a reduced friction/improved valving, that allow the use of a stiffer spring, whilst maintaining decent control ?
I almost think I need a 2nd car as it's one step too extreme for a road car.
IMHO
dunx
P.S. The Flex system may have a reduced friction/improved valving, that allow the use of a stiffer spring, whilst maintaining decent control ?
i think i could live with the ride in yours dunx it wasnt that bad, but iv had corsa's and stuff 1 inch off the floor so im used to a rough ride. i dont think yours is too extreme but if thats your daily driver you need a 2nd motor and use the impreza as a weekend toy.
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Had a passenger ride in a Skoda fitted with KW3's and it was very impressive, supple ride, good handling and you barely noticed the kerbs....
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im still not convinced by coilovers ona road car, i wonder if allt he adjustability is realy a substitute for just getting it setup properly.
im running kyb adjustable shocks (not coilovers), eibach lowering springs and then a load of whiteline components with a fast road setup on tracking and it handels like a dream.
you tend to find 99% of people who have coilovers never touch the settings, so why pay the extra?
im running kyb adjustable shocks (not coilovers), eibach lowering springs and then a load of whiteline components with a fast road setup on tracking and it handels like a dream.
you tend to find 99% of people who have coilovers never touch the settings, so why pay the extra?
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im still not convinced by coilovers ona road car, i wonder if allt he adjustability is realy a substitute for just getting it setup properly.
im running kyb adjustable shocks (not coilovers), eibach lowering springs and then a load of whiteline components with a fast road setup on tracking and it handels like a dream.
you tend to find 99% of people who have coilovers never touch the settings, so why pay the extra?
im running kyb adjustable shocks (not coilovers), eibach lowering springs and then a load of whiteline components with a fast road setup on tracking and it handels like a dream.
you tend to find 99% of people who have coilovers never touch the settings, so why pay the extra?
that's because coilovers are normally a pain to adjust! You have to get at the rear seats and under the bonnet.
Unless you have Tein's EDFC. Then you just press a button from the comfort of the cockpit!
If anything, I'm always fiddling with my damper settings, cause it's so easy!