Talk to me about ALK
20 December 2008, 02:09 PM
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It's a great mod Bob mate.
It does what it says on the tin. Stops the car lifting whilst you apply the power.
I did it via a combination of mods so by just adding that I couldn't tell you as I have the stage 3 handling by Powerstation. Curtis also fitted it buddy. But a geo would be required if you did it hans solo style.
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It does what it says on the tin. Stops the car lifting whilst you apply the power.
I did it via a combination of mods so by just adding that I couldn't tell you as I have the stage 3 handling by Powerstation. Curtis also fitted it buddy. But a geo would be required if you did it hans solo style.
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20 December 2008, 07:35 PM
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Que someone, to quote lever arm ratios and the fact that it's actually isn't an anti-lift kit !
Seriously, alters the front suspension geometry to improve handling, some say top mounts are a "better" solution for track use as the allow more adjustment.
I'd say the ALK is great for a road car, 'cos I got 'em on mine....
Un-bolt old mount, replace with new one, re-assemble, do geometry to suit use.
HTH
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Seriously, alters the front suspension geometry to improve handling, some say top mounts are a "better" solution for track use as the allow more adjustment.
I'd say the ALK is great for a road car, 'cos I got 'em on mine....
Un-bolt old mount, replace with new one, re-assemble, do geometry to suit use.
HTH
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20 December 2008, 10:03 PM
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Adds half a degree of caster and replaces the standard bushings. Anti-lift kit is a bit of a misnomer as it doesn't!
Seems to improve the feel of the front and make it feel surer - downside is you lose a bit of steering feel.
Overall I'm happy with the improvement.
Seems to improve the feel of the front and make it feel surer - downside is you lose a bit of steering feel.
Overall I'm happy with the improvement.
22 December 2008, 08:44 AM
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ALK has two effects.
It increases caster (which subaru's need due to the large 'king pin' inclination angle they run that ruins teh stock castor.
It is a PRO-LIFT kit despite what Steve thinks (stock Subaru has a small amount of anti-lift, the ALK changes this to about the same amount of pro-lift), so under power it lifts the front end more, this effectively softens the front suspension, so during a corner you end up with more front end grip due to the softened front suspension.
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It increases caster (which subaru's need due to the large 'king pin' inclination angle they run that ruins teh stock castor.
It is a PRO-LIFT kit despite what Steve thinks (stock Subaru has a small amount of anti-lift, the ALK changes this to about the same amount of pro-lift), so under power it lifts the front end more, this effectively softens the front suspension, so during a corner you end up with more front end grip due to the softened front suspension.
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22 December 2008, 01:00 PM
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Unless they allow you to move the top-mounting 2ft closer to the steering wheel
I agree that they can help, but with a completely different geometric area of the car set up (lateral adjustment).
ALK's, were designed to help with lift off under negative load situations, (hence the name Anti LIFT kit).
Enter a roundabout, lift off the throttleand you 'can' start to wander. Buy dropping the rear of the wishbone, you are pre-loading the opposing affect. Hence a more neutral feel when you do lift off.
If you look at a kit installed you will understand quickly how it works.
I have had them fitted to my last two scoobs, both of which also ran uprated sustepnsion and geometry.
23 December 2008, 09:43 AM
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LOL - What tosh...
The ALK increases pro lift and pro dive, so you back off with the ALK and it nose dives MORE.
Fitting the ALK to a Foz is a waste of time (hint, they don't list it in the WL catalogue for the Foz) as the mounting is already lowered! In fact take off Foz mounts are a cheap way of getting the ALK effect, although you won't get the castor effect!
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The ALK increases pro lift and pro dive, so you back off with the ALK and it nose dives MORE.
Fitting the ALK to a Foz is a waste of time (hint, they don't list it in the WL catalogue for the Foz) as the mounting is already lowered! In fact take off Foz mounts are a cheap way of getting the ALK effect, although you won't get the castor effect!
Simon
25 December 2008, 12:02 PM
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ive got antilift aswell as adjustable top mounts and larger roll bars,,, i will report how much better it is on track,,,,,, but then canceled donnington 
also ive snapped the adjustable links aswell,,,,,,, so they are a REAL good investment aint then
this is BEFORE the antilift kit/roll bars fitted
as you can see theres a slight bit of body roll,, the car was understeering like a beast too,,,, just sliding wide,,,,,, so wide once on a inturn with funny camber that the car span
thats all standard STI suspension though
also ive snapped the adjustable links aswell,,,,,,, so they are a REAL good investment aint then
this is BEFORE the antilift kit/roll bars fitted
as you can see theres a slight bit of body roll,, the car was understeering like a beast too,,,, just sliding wide,,,,,, so wide once on a inturn with funny camber that the car span
thats all standard STI suspension though
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25 December 2008, 03:36 PM
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Not quite terzo,
if I was supplied with free parts I'd be crowing about how good they were regardless ?
imho
dunx
if I was supplied with free parts I'd be crowing about how good they were regardless ?
imho
dunx
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27 December 2008, 08:29 PM
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it explained why i was understeering soo soo soo much,,,,, then when going too wide i got worried before i hit the armco and touched the brake and span it
next year ill have more piccys so show the difference
next year ill have more piccys so show the difference
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