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I went to Sainsburys today to do my shopping and the girl on the till asked this foreign couple in front of me if they wanted help packing their bags. I thought ****, this is happening quicker than I expected!
The narrative I can see coming,
And it seems born out by some post result posts on here
Is the brexiteers blaming the government
And they had no choice but to vote out
The key theme here is blame
Always someone else fault
I have a friend, a lay preacher, who's been a particularly vocal Brexiter and who now, like much of the country and inspite of his assertion to the contrary, is morphing in to a regrexiter. He blames the remain campaign for not being persuasive enough. This came up last night when I pointed out that Ebbw Vale, proud to have one of the largest number of out voters, also held the title of highest net recipient of EU funding. Why wasn't I or Ebbw Vale persuaded by this argument? he protested. My friend didn't blame himself or Johnson and Gove or the people of Ebbw Vale...he blamed my side of the debate!! Incredulous I had to bite my tongue. In fact I phoned my pastor (who's a mate) and who also happens to know said Brexiter and sought counsel as I was beside myself with anger. My stomach's still in knots even now.
The narrative I can see coming,
And it seems born out by some post result posts on here
Is the brexiteers blaming the government
And they had no choice but to vote out
The key theme here is blame
Always someone else fault
And the remainers are pouring vitriol on the brexiters. So what? Stop being so hysterical, it's not blame, it's a REASON for why they voted. And if the media stopped asking, they'd stop saying.
I have a friend, a lay preacher, who's been a particularly vocal Brexiter and who now, like much of the country and inspite of his assertion to the contrary, is morphing in to a regrexiter. He blames the remain campaign for not being persuasive enough. This came up last night when I pointed out that Ebbw Vale, proud to have one of the largest number of out voters, also held the title of highest net recipient of EU funding. Why wasn't I or Ebbw Vale persuaded by this argument? he protested. My friend didn't blame himself or Johnson and Gove or the people of Ebbw Vale...he blamed my side of the debate!! Incredulous I had to bite my tongue. In fact I phoned my pastor (who's a mate) and who also happens to know said Brexiter and sought counsel as I was beside myself with anger. My stomach's still in knots even now.
This is not regret, it's fear of the unknown, and is common.
I've made this decision, is it the right one? Common human trait.
You need to stop this now, you are getting hysterical too. Or believing what the dishonest media are dishing up.
And the remainers are pouring vitriol on the brexiters. So what? Stop being so hysterical, it's not blame, it's a REASON for why they voted. And if the media stopped asking, they'd stop saying.
People are only pouring vitriol in your fevered, conspritorial and bitter mind
It seems that the low spirits expressed on this forum are being increasingly reflected in the country. Where are our noble 'leaders'? Cameron and Co have gone very quiet but more worrying for those who voted 'out' is that the successful Brexiters, Boris and his merry men, have similarly vanished from view. Labour seem to be imploding, and are presently worse than useless as a result.
It's no surprise that many who voted to leave the EU are now wondering what the hell they have done. Someone, anyone, needs to get a grip of this and now. Do the Brexit leaders have a plan in place? Farage apart did they actually expect to succeed? I suspect No and No, and now they have no idea what to do next.
And the remainers are pouring vitriol on the brexiters. So what? Stop being so hysterical, it's not blame, it's a REASON for why they voted. And if the media stopped asking, they'd stop saying.
It's the wrong reason to vote out of the EU as a protest vote against our government though.
I was all for remain. It's probably all been discussed here before but my reason was the country at the moment is relatively stable so why change it. I suspect a lot of votes were immigration based. That won't change. My biggest fear was the French, illegal immigration is not a massive problem in this country, but my fear was the French would open the floodgates at Calais and the EU would stick their fingers up at us when we try and do something about it.
Low and behold, I read yesterday that the mayor of Calais wants the uk to move our border back to Britain, and all the illegal immigrants at Calais with it.
I also suspect a lot of leave votes were cast because of the bullsh!t around the 350m extra to the nhs, save 50m a day nonsense. What the actual deficit is regarding what we pay to be in the EU and what the country recieves back is I don't know, but for years the governments defence budget has decreased and decreased and that will now have to be built back up. Which is going to cost a hell of a lot of money.
It seems that the low spirits expressed on this forum are being increasingly reflected in the country. Where are our noble 'leaders'? Cameron and Co have gone very quiet but more worrying for those who voted 'out' is that the successful Brexiters, Boris and his merry men, have similarly vanished from view. Labour seem to be imploding, and are presently worse than useless as a result.
It's no surprise that many who voted to leave the EU are now wondering what the hell they have done. Someone, anyone, needs to get a grip of this and now. Do the Brexit leaders have a plan in place? Farage apart did they actually expect to succeed? I suspect No and No, and now they have no idea what to do next.
Nobody wants to take a poison chalice! To lead post-Brexit is to receive a hospital pass of epic proportions. Cameron's checkmated his mate.
It's the wrong reason to vote out of the EU as a protest vote against our government though.
I was all for remain. It's probably all been discussed here before but my reason was the country at the moment is relatively stable so why change it. I suspect a lot of votes were immigration based. That won't change. My biggest fear was the French, illegal immigration is not a massive problem in this country, but my fear was the French would open the floodgates at Calais and the EU would stick their fingers up at us when we try and do something about it.
Low and behold, I read yesterday that the mayor of Calais wants the uk to move our border back to Britain, and all the illegal immigrants at Calais with it.
I also suspect a lot of leave votes were cast because of the bullsh!t around the 350m extra to the nhs, save 50m a day nonsense. What the actual deficit is regarding what we pay to be in the EU and what the country recieves back is I don't know, but for years the governments defence budget has decreased and decreased and that will now have to be built back up. Which is going to cost a hell of a lot of money.
Alot more than we will have ever savEd by leaving the Eu.
Nobody wants to take a poison chalice! To lead post-Brexit is to receive a hospital pass of epic proportions. Cameron's checkmated his mate.
There are some on here suffering from a great sense of loss, even crying about it. But actually there are plenty of lesser countries than the UK (that's most of them in my view) that do very well in the world without being part of some super group of nations and instead prefer to walk their own path.
'Cometh the hour, cometh the man'. Or woman of course. Let's hope so, and poison chalice or not, someone needs to get a grip, and fast.
There are some on here suffering from a great sense of loss, even crying about it. But actually there are plenty of lesser countries than the UK (that's most of them in my view) that do very well in the world without being part of some super group of nations and instead prefer to walk their own path.
'Cometh the hour, cometh the man'. Or woman of course. Let's hope so, and poison chalice or not, someone needs to get a grip, and fast.
Not a particularly compelling argument for seismic change, "There are plenty of other 'lesser' countries doing OK".
At least the point I made some time back (pre-vote) that the intellectually challenged were potentially dictating this result is now being acknowledged publicly (Andrew Marr etc). Too late then, even more so now.
This country is more stupid than I imagined.
How long before the thickos realise they've been had over?
There are some on here suffering from a great sense of loss, even crying about it. But actually there are plenty of lesser countries than the UK (that's most of them in my view) that do very well in the world without being part of some super group of nations and instead prefer to walk their own path.
'Cometh the hour, cometh the man'. Or woman of course. Let's hope so, and poison chalice or not, someone needs to get a grip, and fast.
There are some on here suffering from a great sense of loss, even crying about it. But actually there are plenty of lesser countries than the UK (that's most of them in my view) that do very well in the world without being part of some super group of nations and instead prefer to walk their own path.
'Cometh the hour, cometh the man'. Or woman of course. Let's hope so, and poison chalice or not, someone needs to get a grip, and fast.
I am sensing a deep sense of loss; a death of humanity and solidarity. I am grieving, and I will allow myself to grieve. In my quarter of the century of living on this Great Britain's soil, I have never before seen such a divisive and dark event. The likes of me have no choice but to accept it and be with it. We have and we will. But at this moment of time, I say to whosoever: cry if you want to. Grieve as much as you want to. After all, it is a loss. Feel it, bear it, express it.
Lol, that is the same response you get from anyone who cant face simple facts
If you disagree, get the data, it will be available and do the fvcking math
but somehow I suspect you won't
Its the same with science denier like warren, show these lunatics graphs of temperature rises
(the earths temp record has been literally smashed month on month in the past year)
show them graphs of sea level rises, show them graphs of a reduction in arctic sea ice, show them the data on rapidly disappearing glaciers)
And you get the same moronic response
"I don't believe you la la la "
If you doubt the data - do you own research and rebut what has been presented - THAT is how science/research is done
Not the fantasy lone Jekyll and Hyde way you seem to think - some lone maverick genius with a table full of smoking bubbling glass jars - jeez wtf
Get the data, do the math or stfu
Fvck me this is madness
No you don't get it either.
Its this belittling rhetoric that has in my opinion caused the greatest swing to an exit. The London based media is scurrying round looking at statistics from every where, some bonafide, some not and drawing ridiculous conclusions from them. The Guardian's reports on this is the perfect examples. The guardian hasn't properly referenced their data. It should be done according to the Harvard referencing system which is the accepted method of using and publishing findings based on third party data/information, also no journalist has signed it off as their own works (edit: it was Caelainn Barr ) . So what we have is a poorly referenced article with the journalist not being properly held accountable.
Its the same the nation over with various media outlets, publicists, politicians, councilors, union representatives, spin doctor etc.
Now bear in mind I VOTED IN. I can see this for what it is; A ridiculous attempt to draw a conclusion on a short-minded assumption. And you've fell for it, like many have with the reporting given over the past few months from both the Exit and IN coverage.
I'll end with this thought....What happens to a group of people if you treat them all like imbeciles and morons over a extended period? I'll answer that for you; They tend to either rebel and become obstructive or accept that label and behave as such.
If the Guardian et al. wishes to label exit voters as stupid and mock a person's intelligence, ok; As I pointed out earlier with d'Ancona's article, they among many other have already done and continue to do so. However they are now paying that price.
My advice is stop blaming and belittling people who voted with same old pathetic rhetoric and instead blame the ones who influenced them. Mocking someone because they followed Farage or Boris etc isn't the answer, it just cemented their viewpoint.
This is what I don't understand about the way the Welsh voted. Ultimately On the local level Wales is a net beneficiary from the EU, guess it's just goes to show the turkeys will vote for Christmas if you sell them a good story first.
26 June 2016, 12:41 AM
