No wonder they go bang !!!!
25 April 2013, 08:59 AM
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No wonder they go bang !!!!
As some of you know I sold my pride and joy a couple of month's back. Since it went I've been on the hunt to fill the empty space in my garage. Im not after anything as sorted as my last car, just want an early classic in generally good nick that just needs a little tlc.
So I've been searching on here, ebay and pistonheads and I've come across a handful of cars that fit the bill.
But what I can't get my head around is how many cars have had serious work and no mapping. Front mounts, turbo change, injectors, exhaust systems and even engine rebuilds with no regard to even having the fueling checked. Spoke to a chap yesterday who has a very early RA. Car has had a forged build, front mount and the usual bolt on mods. When I asked about mapping he said he hadn't had time but it feels great and was run on the dyno before the work. I mean come on, you go to all that work and you cant spare an hour having the bloody thing mapped !!!
And its not just ebay cars, ive spoken to sellers on here. The one place you have all the info you need but still you ignore it !
Some of the excuses ive had are laughable too. Not had time, doesn't need mapping, think its been done and the usual one, its not mappable because its an early car
So for those out there that this will apply to......
If you modify your car it will need mapping.
Yes it very important.
No you can't thrash around in it while your waiting to get it mapped.
And finally, YES ANY BLOODY IMPREZA CAN BE MAPPED !!!!!!!
So I've been searching on here, ebay and pistonheads and I've come across a handful of cars that fit the bill.
But what I can't get my head around is how many cars have had serious work and no mapping. Front mounts, turbo change, injectors, exhaust systems and even engine rebuilds with no regard to even having the fueling checked. Spoke to a chap yesterday who has a very early RA. Car has had a forged build, front mount and the usual bolt on mods. When I asked about mapping he said he hadn't had time but it feels great and was run on the dyno before the work. I mean come on, you go to all that work and you cant spare an hour having the bloody thing mapped !!!
And its not just ebay cars, ive spoken to sellers on here. The one place you have all the info you need but still you ignore it !
Some of the excuses ive had are laughable too. Not had time, doesn't need mapping, think its been done and the usual one, its not mappable because its an early car
So for those out there that this will apply to......
If you modify your car it will need mapping.
Yes it very important.
No you can't thrash around in it while your waiting to get it mapped.
And finally, YES ANY BLOODY IMPREZA CAN BE MAPPED !!!!!!!
25 April 2013, 09:07 AM
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Haven't really set a budget but want to keep it sensible. I know as well as anyone how bills can add up so just want a decent base to work from. Something fairly standard that needs a little love. Not to fussed on body work but a cared for engine is paramount.
lol
25 April 2013, 10:00 AM
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I think a big problem is "Fitters", not mechanics or technicians, they buy parts in mass such as fmic's, headers, turbo back exhaust etc.....
The customer wants it and asks about mapping requirements. The customer is then told, you can run it with out a map and you'll get gains but to reach the full potential you'll need a map etc......
The other problem is, myself included, people struggle to stock pile. For example i am currently sat on a tube and fin FMIC, RCM air filter and induction system and a couple of other things. Yes my car has been mapped and is a mafless set up but i want these pretty things on it NOW.
However, i know i need a nice set of injectors so i''m waiting till it all gets bolted on and then mapped. Doesn't stop me wanting to put it on and see if i get away with it
The customer wants it and asks about mapping requirements. The customer is then told, you can run it with out a map and you'll get gains but to reach the full potential you'll need a map etc......
The other problem is, myself included, people struggle to stock pile. For example i am currently sat on a tube and fin FMIC, RCM air filter and induction system and a couple of other things. Yes my car has been mapped and is a mafless set up but i want these pretty things on it NOW.
However, i know i need a nice set of injectors so i''m waiting till it all gets bolted on and then mapped. Doesn't stop me wanting to put it on and see if i get away with it
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25 April 2013, 01:12 PM
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Oh yes this was mine when i bought it!
it had a VF22 on, decammed, induction kit, looked like it used to have the STI box on top and was never remapped!
anyway i got that sorted
it had a VF22 on, decammed, induction kit, looked like it used to have the STI box on top and was never remapped!
anyway i got that sorted
25 April 2013, 01:23 PM
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Many people believe its just not possible to map certain imprezas which gets increasingly frustrating.
Stop being pedantic
25 April 2013, 01:28 PM
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True! - BUT if you do phone alot of mapping garages they do say they cant map subaru's
if was honestly only because i came to this website i heard of the names Duncan and Andy Carr etc
25 April 2013, 01:34 PM
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Do 'these' garages say its not possible to map them or just that they can't map them.
Big difference and id think its the latter.
25 April 2013, 01:43 PM
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My V3 STI runs a Simtec & is mapped for all the mods, but it wasnt when I bought it & still ran a full decat with no issues. I know of 3 others modified running FMIC without issues too. Iv spent a lot on mine & wouldn't risk it myself but lots of people seem to get away with it & I have heard that classics are less sensitive to mods, but not worth the risk.
25 April 2013, 02:00 PM
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and when looking for a mapper i phoned every garage in the Leeds area and they all said they couldnt map subaru, but no that didnt stop me seaking one out
im just saying people are lazy and the majority of people will look at mapping as a non essential as they dont understand what that would acheive!
Mention extra BHP to a petrol head or Extra MPG to a normal driver and there ears will listen to the word remap
25 April 2013, 04:23 PM
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I remember the early days when folk were chucking 95 RON petrol in imports and then scratching their heads when they went bang. One lad I knew of had three rebuilds in his Type R before selling it and he still hadn't realised it was because he was using crap fuel. Another lad I knew had his MY99 'Superchipped' at the infamous Well Lane Turbo Centre. He already had a full decat exhaust and KN cone filter. 'Oh it's a full tailor custom remap' he claimed. When I finally convinced him to take his car to another garage he was horrified to discover he'd paid £600 for a pneumatic bleed valve and Fuel Cut Defencer. Fortunately for him his air to fuel ratio was just on the right side of safe. He was lucky the car was running rich initially as according to the mechanic his mods and superchip should have resulted in one big bang!
25 April 2013, 04:40 PM
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as the cars become cheaper they fall into the hands of idiots, to properly mod and map a car is expensive.
if you want to know where the stupid advice is coming from read the facebook page "subaru swap shop"
its had some gems of advice on it lately like imprezas have a self learning ecu, bob rawle doesnt know anything and this idiots advice.
if you want to know where the stupid advice is coming from read the facebook page "subaru swap shop"
its had some gems of advice on it lately like imprezas have a self learning ecu, bob rawle doesnt know anything and this idiots advice.
25 April 2013, 07:11 PM
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this one has suttle mods what ever they may be....
http://www.gumtree.com/p/cars-vans-m...ded/1016372950
http://www.gumtree.com/p/cars-vans-m...555/1016490705
http://www.gumtree.com/p/cars-vans-m...ded/1016372950
http://www.gumtree.com/p/cars-vans-m...555/1016490705
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25 April 2013, 08:04 PM
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It was going quite well until I saw the arches...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Subaru-Imp...item3f246dbf09
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Subaru-Imp...item3f246dbf09
25 April 2013, 08:24 PM
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very true but the OE maps are very rich with conservative timing (UK models) so can actually cope with a fair few bolt ons (obviously its recommended to check fueling and knock)
25 April 2013, 08:34 PM
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Its only a matter of time until these people are weened out though. Half decent classics are becoming scarse and slowly increasing in value. The sheds that they have not looked after will die. I know they will move onto the bug eye then but with "less" imports that are registered as GL's the insurance costs will put many of them off. This is my opinion anyway.
25 April 2013, 09:22 PM
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if i need to explain that then you need to go see a pro mapper lol
for reference i ran a vf28 turbo on my UK classic without a remap, it made good gains and was at no point in danger of engine damage
for reference i ran a vf28 turbo on my UK classic without a remap, it made good gains and was at no point in danger of engine damage
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