As some of you know I sold my pride and joy a couple of month's back. Since it went I've been on the hunt to fill the empty space in my garage. Im not after anything as sorted as my last car, just want an early classic in generally good nick that just needs a little tlc.
So I've been searching on here, ebay and pistonheads and I've come across a handful of cars that fit the bill.
But what I can't get my head around is how many cars have had serious work and no mapping. Front mounts, turbo change, injectors, exhaust systems and even engine rebuilds with no regard to even having the fueling checked. Spoke to a chap yesterday who has a very early RA. Car has had a forged build, front mount and the usual bolt on mods. When I asked about mapping he said he hadn't had time but it feels great and was run on the dyno before the work. I mean come on, you go to all that work and you cant spare an hour having the bloody thing mapped !!!
And its not just ebay cars, ive spoken to sellers on here. The one place you have all the info you need but still you ignore it !
Some of the excuses ive had are laughable too. Not had time, doesn't need mapping, think its been done and the usual one, its not mappable because its an early car

So for those out there that this will apply to......

If you modify your car it will need mapping.
Yes it very important.
No you can't thrash around in it while your waiting to get it mapped.
And finally, YES ANY BLOODY IMPREZA CAN BE MAPPED !!!!!!!

 

i agree,im collecting bits for my power hike but they wont be fitted until i have all the bits needed then its straight off to rcm for a map. how much you wanna spend matey? i think scooby clinic have a ra for sale for around £4k

 

Matty .... common sense isnt that common!

The number of imps you see for sale "highly modified, knocking engine" .... there are some right retards out there.

 

Haven't really set a budget but want to keep it sensible. I know as well as anyone how bills can add up so just want a decent base to work from. Something fairly standard that needs a little love. Not to fussed on body work but a cared for engine is paramount.

 

Matty mate

I know of a silver classic for sale so close I could probably throw a stone and hit it
If your interested text me

 

Oh and Matt, its not mine lol

 

I think a big problem is "Fitters", not mechanics or technicians, they buy parts in mass such as fmic's, headers, turbo back exhaust etc.....

The customer wants it and asks about mapping requirements. The customer is then told, you can run it with out a map and you'll get gains but to reach the full potential you'll need a map etc......

The other problem is, myself included, people struggle to stock pile. For example i am currently sat on a tube and fin FMIC, RCM air filter and induction system and a couple of other things. Yes my car has been mapped and is a mafless set up but i want these pretty things on it NOW.

However, i know i need a nice set of injectors so i''m waiting till it all gets bolted on and then mapped. Doesn't stop me wanting to put it on and see if i get away with it

 

I agree, mapping isn't mail order.
You could use it to your advantage Matt, treat it like FSH, if it hasn't got proof of mapping then knock the price down. Buying second hand is a lottery anyway.

 

Oh yes this was mine when i bought it!

it had a VF22 on, decammed, induction kit, looked like it used to have the STI box on top and was never remapped!

anyway i got that sorted

 

To be pedantic.

MY97-MY98 year Imprezas cannot be mapped. They either need a aftermarket ECU or a piggy-back board inside the ECU.

Still not impossible, but obviously an extra expense.

 

My point being that any impreza is mappable without the need to buy a new ecu. Yes certain models need a daughter board fitting but its cheap and relatively simple to do. The ESL for instance which is very very good costs just £295 !!!

Many people believe its just not possible to map certain imprezas which gets increasingly frustrating.

Stop being pedantic

 

True! - BUT if you do phone alot of mapping garages they do say they cant map subaru's

if was honestly only because i came to this website i heard of the names Duncan and Andy Carr etc

 

Surely if you owned a subaru and wanted it mapped common sense would tell you to speak to a garage who know about subaru......

Do 'these' garages say its not possible to map them or just that they can't map them.
Big difference and id think its the latter.

 

My V3 STI runs a Simtec & is mapped for all the mods, but it wasnt when I bought it & still ran a full decat with no issues. I know of 3 others modified running FMIC without issues too. Iv spent a lot on mine & wouldn't risk it myself but lots of people seem to get away with it & I have heard that classics are less sensitive to mods, but not worth the risk.

 

I know what your saying and i will be straight up here, if it wasnt for my intercooler coming off and my wastegate pipe coming off and me feeling the amount of boost that the turbo could deliver, i honestly wouldnt have even thought about a remap as the mods were on so i assumed if was all mapped and done.

and when looking for a mapper i phoned every garage in the Leeds area and they all said they couldnt map subaru, but no that didnt stop me seaking one out

im just saying people are lazy and the majority of people will look at mapping as a non essential as they dont understand what that would acheive!

Mention extra BHP to a petrol head or Extra MPG to a normal driver and there ears will listen to the word remap

 

http://bbs.22b.com/forums/showthread...mited-for-sale

 

I'm pretty sure that one will be over budget.

He's a cheap skate and wants an early RA for 1500 quid.

 

I remember the early days when folk were chucking 95 RON petrol in imports and then scratching their heads when they went bang. One lad I knew of had three rebuilds in his Type R before selling it and he still hadn't realised it was because he was using crap fuel. Another lad I knew had his MY99 'Superchipped' at the infamous Well Lane Turbo Centre. He already had a full decat exhaust and KN cone filter. 'Oh it's a full tailor custom remap' he claimed. When I finally convinced him to take his car to another garage he was horrified to discover he'd paid £600 for a pneumatic bleed valve and Fuel Cut Defencer. Fortunately for him his air to fuel ratio was just on the right side of safe. He was lucky the car was running rich initially as according to the mechanic his mods and superchip should have resulted in one big bang!

 

as the cars become cheaper they fall into the hands of idiots, to properly mod and map a car is expensive.
if you want to know where the stupid advice is coming from read the facebook page "subaru swap shop"
its had some gems of advice on it lately like imprezas have a self learning ecu, bob rawle doesnt know anything and this idiots advice.

 

You know me so well buddy

 

Very nice but a little too good for what im after/want to pay.

 

this one has suttle mods what ever they may be....

http://www.gumtree.com/p/cars-vans-m...ded/1016372950

http://www.gumtree.com/p/cars-vans-m...555/1016490705

 

It was going quite well until I saw the arches...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Subaru-Imp...item3f246dbf09

 

It's the way the marque is going. Too many uneducated people owning Imprezas now.

 

very true but the OE maps are very rich with conservative timing (UK models) so can actually cope with a fair few bolt ons (obviously its recommended to check fueling and knock)

 

???

how can the ecu being rich cope with a change of turbo??

did you get advice from that facebook website?

 

Its only a matter of time until these people are weened out though. Half decent classics are becoming scarse and slowly increasing in value. The sheds that they have not looked after will die. I know they will move onto the bug eye then but with "less" imports that are registered as GL's the insurance costs will put many of them off. This is my opinion anyway.

 

if i need to explain that then you need to go see a pro mapper lol
for reference i ran a vf28 turbo on my UK classic without a remap, it made good gains and was at no point in danger of engine damage

 

Who mapped your blob once you fitted your fmic?

 

lmfao at this thread. some people on here would have a car mapped for a new set of plugs