Notices
ScoobyNet General General Subaru Discussion
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Suspension experts ! Could You have a look PLEASE ?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 13 September 2012, 04:05 PM
  #1  
ScoobyForLife27
Scooby Regular
Thread Starter
iTrader: (14)
 
ScoobyForLife27's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Bedford
Posts: 1,944
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Suspension experts ! Could You have a look PLEASE ?

Hi Guys
I've recently changed the springs on my V2 Sti and went for a laser wheel alligment to my local tunning garage.

Here is the spec of my suspension:
- New shocks (standard replacement Kayaba)
- Whiteline rear ARB 22mm with new bushes
- Whiteline rear drop links (wire type)
- front is standard with really worn ARB bushes

These are the prints:

BEFORE


AFTER



Could you tell me please, what do you think about these settings ?
I have to say that car is handling a LOT better, TBH it feels like they've changed suspension components not just made settings :-) I would never say that it will make such a BIG difference !

My question is:
Are these settings shouldn't be same on both sides ? I mean degrees figures. It looks like there is a big difference in caster (left 2.52 to right 3.16)
Also rear camber -1.29 to -1.06

I have new uprated front droplinks and ARB bushes waiting to be fitted as well as uprated steering rack bushes. The guy who was working on my car said that I could also change caster bushes to uprated ones.

What do you think about all this ?

It's a daily driver car with occasionally weekend fun :-) no track days (yet).

Thank You
Old 13 September 2012, 04:14 PM
  #2  
JDM_Stig
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (3)
 
JDM_Stig's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Mount Weather
Posts: 5,840
Received 41 Likes on 33 Posts
Default

I always recommend Prodrive settings


Front Camber -1°20' / -1°15' / -1°10'

Front Toe-in (Total) 0°02' / 0°06' / 0°10'

Front Caster / 3°00' (Referential value) /

Rear Camber -2°15' / -1°30' / -0°54'(Std Subaru tolerance)

Rear Toe-in (Total) 0°02' / 0°60' / 0°10'
__________________
Old 13 September 2012, 04:21 PM
  #3  
ScoobyForLife27
Scooby Regular
Thread Starter
iTrader: (14)
 
ScoobyForLife27's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Bedford
Posts: 1,944
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Forgot to say, current springs are red Eibach P1
Old 13 September 2012, 04:26 PM
  #4  
ScoobyForLife27
Scooby Regular
Thread Starter
iTrader: (14)
 
ScoobyForLife27's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Bedford
Posts: 1,944
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

So, are these settings good or not ? I'm absolutely rookie in terms camber, caster etc so...
Old 13 September 2012, 05:38 PM
  #5  
Turbotits
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (2)
 
Turbotits's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Hertfordshire
Posts: 4,312
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

personally id like more front & rear camber Do you have camber bolts fitted?
Old 13 September 2012, 05:41 PM
  #6  
ScoobyForLife27
Scooby Regular
Thread Starter
iTrader: (14)
 
ScoobyForLife27's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Bedford
Posts: 1,944
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Any others ?
Old 13 September 2012, 05:41 PM
  #7  
Midlife......
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (2)
 
Midlife......'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 11,583
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Surely you need some toe in to get the front wheels parallel when actually going ?

Shaun
Old 13 September 2012, 05:46 PM
  #8  
sweden
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (2)
 
sweden's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: across the water
Posts: 415
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

If it was my car I wouldn't except the difference in camber even though it's in tolerance range, tbh I'm surprised they allowed it, I always try to match sides even if it's an old banger in for adjusting guess it boils down to pride in work.
Old 13 September 2012, 06:12 PM
  #9  
ScoobyForLife27
Scooby Regular
Thread Starter
iTrader: (14)
 
ScoobyForLife27's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Bedford
Posts: 1,944
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Turbotits,
No rear camber bolts fitted.
I'm really surprised because the mechanic that was doing it is a Impreza owner and he seems to know what he was saying.
As I said I don't know much about these things/settings, but I thought that left and right side should be at least similar when in this case 2.52 to 3.16 and 1.29 to 1.06 seems to be a big difference :-(

Should I go there back and ask to change it then ?
I paid £70 so I would like to have it done as best as possible.
Old 13 September 2012, 06:26 PM
  #10  
Turbotits
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (2)
 
Turbotits's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Hertfordshire
Posts: 4,312
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Midlife......
Surely you need some toe in to get the front wheels parallel when actually going ?

Shaun
Agree, they've been set parallel. which is odd

to the OP

Yes id like to see a little more rear camber up to around -2 and around -1.5 on the front. Ofcourse it depends alot on what you asked for?

Tyre wear doesnt bother me as its not an everyday car

Last edited by Turbotits; 13 September 2012 at 06:29 PM.
Old 13 September 2012, 06:31 PM
  #11  
sweden
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (2)
 
sweden's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: across the water
Posts: 415
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I'd want them redoing but you'd be bett off fitting the rest of the stuff you've got first as that will change the balance of the car as well
Old 13 September 2012, 06:36 PM
  #12  
ScoobyForLife27
Scooby Regular
Thread Starter
iTrader: (14)
 
ScoobyForLife27's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Bedford
Posts: 1,944
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Actually I'm after tyre wear because it's a everyday car and that's what I asked for really.
Old 13 September 2012, 06:52 PM
  #13  
Turbotits
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (2)
 
Turbotits's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Hertfordshire
Posts: 4,312
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by ScoobyForLife27
Actually I'm after tyre wear because it's a everyday car and that's what I asked for really.
ok so the settings arnt to extreme. If you go more camber will handle better but it will wear tyres quicker.
Old 13 September 2012, 06:55 PM
  #14  
ScoobyForLife27
Scooby Regular
Thread Starter
iTrader: (14)
 
ScoobyForLife27's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Bedford
Posts: 1,944
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Correct me if I'm wrong but by changing ARB bushes and droplinks won't affect car's geometry, right ?
Old 13 September 2012, 07:09 PM
  #15  
ScoobyForLife27
Scooby Regular
Thread Starter
iTrader: (14)
 
ScoobyForLife27's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Bedford
Posts: 1,944
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Ok, so in other words saying, for everyday car, as mine is, with occasionally more spirited driving, are these settings good or should I still ask them to change it ?
I'm really happy from handling now comparing to what it was before, even my wife noticed a difference. This garage has a REALLY good reputation and I don't really want go there and tell them that they did something wrong when I have no clue about those things, if you know what I mean ?
I was expecting that figures on both sides will be same, but they are not and TBH I don't understand why ? Is it that hard to make/adjust them equally ?
Old 13 September 2012, 07:21 PM
  #16  
Midlife......
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (2)
 
Midlife......'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 11,583
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Tyre wear? at zero toe-in won't the wheels point outwards on the move scrubbing the tyres.......

Shaun
Old 13 September 2012, 07:28 PM
  #17  
classicgc8
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (4)
 
classicgc8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Bath
Posts: 930
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Hi id like slightly more positive toe,maybe 0.5mm

theres no adjustment for caster so its just on there for reference purposes
,
Slightly more front camber would be an advantage however you could start wearing tyres fast if you go too far,

Thats as much rear camber available in the standard bolts on the rear struts that youre gonna get without special bolts.

To be honest as its a daily driver either ask them for slightly more toe or leave as it is.
Old 13 September 2012, 08:15 PM
  #18  
ScoobyForLife27
Scooby Regular
Thread Starter
iTrader: (14)
 
ScoobyForLife27's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Bedford
Posts: 1,944
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Shaun,
Don't give me wrong please, but do you know all this from experience or you've heard from somebody ? As I said, this place has a Very Good reputation and I'm guessing that they're know what they doing so...
I'm not saying that you're wrong but I want to be 100% sure before I'll go there and ask for adjustment to what they have done.
If we are talking about slightly increase of tyre wear but better handling, I don't have a problem with that. But if it will affect tyre wear much I'd like to change it.

I'm really sorry for all that guys but I'll be getting soon a new set of tyres so I want to be sure that they'll last a while.

Thank You for all replies and sorry for my grammar but English is not my first language so...
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
KAS35RSTI
Subaru
27
04 November 2021 07:12 PM
Mattybr5@MB Developments
Full Cars Breaking For Spares
12
18 November 2015 07:03 AM
the shreksta
Other Marques
26
01 October 2015 02:30 PM
RAGGY DOO
ScoobyNet General
4
27 September 2015 03:39 PM
shorty87
Other Marques
0
25 September 2015 08:52 PM



Quick Reply: Suspension experts ! Could You have a look PLEASE ?



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 02:08 AM.