chris cairns

hi

can anyone tell me witch is better a sti type r 5/6 or a p1 ?

some say the p1 is better or is that just because it more rare ?

i thought they were the same apart from the gearbox ?

happydude303

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in some sense they are the same but the P1 is et up suspension wise for uk roads as prodrive sorted that out but the type r is better in the respect you get the ability to change the amount of power at the rear the P1 is over priced as well because it is rare there are a few different styling mods to the p1 but not what justifies the money if i was to by again i would have the type r over any over scooby but thats because i like classics shapes, oh apart from a 22b but then im just dreaming because a good one of them 21000 -25000 pounds

The Trooper 1815

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P1 produced by Prodrive in the UK based on a Type R shell. It's not as raw as a Type R and is longer geared in 5th.

Type R as DCCD and for that alone it's worth buying.

dazzaturbo

deosn't the type r have 305bhp compared to the p1 280?

zippy!

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i have a real soft spot for p1,s and the fact that they are rare makes it worth buying in my opinion. i do agree the type r,s are a bit more hardcore but in the end i think p1 looks alone would win my vote

sti69

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Ive always noticed that many P1's tend to have an engine rebuild in there life but not many Type-R's have had an rebuild - strange.... Anyone could answer that????

happydude303

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yeah beucase people put **** fuel in them like 97 Or 95 when they should be run on 99 v power :> oh and just to touch on an ealry comment the jap spec sti r are suspose to have 280bhp on paper but there are wispers of them having 300bhp

Marx Mcrae

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How could you put 99ron fuel into a P1 when we have only had 99ron for a few years!!!

The reason for all the engine rebuilds was because the map wasnt quite right.

Type R's mostly have been remapped to cope with the fuel that we get in the UK, but most have still had a rebuild

midnight

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Sti 5/6 type r's do have 305 bhp, it was the 1st subaru to break the japanese gentlemans agreement of 280 bhp max(i'am sure),not forgetting that this was when the car was using 100 ron fuel.

Davey P

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I'm not hanging around for the Type R vs P1 debate, but they both have exactly the same engines so they both have the same chances of failing.
With a few mods your see 300bhp in either of the cars, but your be lucky to find a Type R that can do 300bhp in standard form.

TonyBurns

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Yup, most are still around the 276bhp mark, even standard probably no more than 290 max.
Shorter gearing on the type R will make it quicker though

Tony

stevie333

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Quicker to 100mph maybe,but unless its derestricted,does,nt it stop then?
Whereas the P1 160MPH,All day long,well for 2 minutes till it blows up

TonyBurns

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Not possible as its restricted to 155mph

Tony

midnight

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Sorry gents sti 5 type r,did run 305 bhp on japanese fuel,i have an old vhs video from 1998 on the release of the sti 5 type r: Quote in standard form the 2.0ltr turbo produces a respectable 215 bhp ,but the japanese saw fit to produce this;sti 5 type r , it has 305 bhp ,competition clutch,quick rack steering,and alsodriver controlled centre differentials.

Also spoke to bob rawle a few days ago and i am sending a mate of mine to him who has a P1,who when he had it remapped at scoobyclinic a few years ago it was producing 248 bhp std - bar a nur spec r & a panel filter.He had owned the car for 6 years and had always run it on optimax then v power.After the remap his car is producing 290 bhp,which is why his jaw hit the tarmac last week when i showed him the power graph from When i had my 99 uk turbo mapped 2 weeks ago. Bob also confirmed that uk cars can be well down on power when run on uk fuel henceforth the need for a remap.

TonyBurns

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Nope, even on jap fuel it wouldnt have run 305bhp, 280ps was still the quoted figure, even in the uk with nf and 99 ron fuel you will be lucky to hit 290bhp on a standard one
And as the P1 uses exactly the same map as the v5/6 jdm sti's.....

Tony

stevie333

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Damn i hate you Tony Burns.I thought i had you on that one,just dug my brochure out only to find your right AGAIN.Fair do,s you do know your stuff.I genuinely think you should write a proper Subaru FAQ,as theres so much BS out there,but all the time i,ve seen you answer questions on here,your always bloody right.Do you design all these cars or something?Font of all Subaru knowledge.This praise comes highly by the way,i,m not one for it,but credit where credits due.

scoobydoo_done_u

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the type r has a dccd gearbox dont it where p1 hasnt i got told tbh they all the same p1 only comes in blue thats about it lol

TonyBurns

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I learnt off people like John Felstead who really is a guru on these cars

Tony

TonyBurns

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Who told you that?

Lots more differences, mechanically the engines are similar, the P1 ecu has more knock correction, P1's dont have the rear 2 pot brakes or an IC water spray but do have ABS, the type R has the DCCD but no ABS but does have the IC, rear wiper, electric folding mirrors etc, so still plenty of differences, looking the same doesnt mean they are the same

Tony

subaruturbo_18

Does it really

midnight

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Tony, when I work out how to post up video clips, I will post it on here,it was Vikki butler Henderson driving the type r and she raced a escort cosworth. Not doubting what you say, but having owned a M.A.Developments cosworth in the past , they were extremley rapid cars.
The type r concerned has it's own website and was for sale on eBay about 4 years quoting 305 bhp,and was known as the impreza that beat the best cosworth in the land. I still have the reg no of this car and was outbid by £75.00 and am still gutted 4 years later. You may well be right as to the power that it can possibly produce , will post video clip as soon as I find my old VHS video recorder .

gpssti4

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Yep, agreed! Mine only made 289bhp when totally standard.

midnight

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Seems like you guys are right ,and bearing in mind my mates p1 only had 250 bhp, it was probably over zealous advertising. Tony you know your onions , good sound advice as always.

GC8

Yes it does. The (possibly two) white car was a prototype and the Mica Blue car was repainted by the supplying dealer before delivery, for the first owner.

STI for me, as the P1 advantage has long-since passed in my opinion.

beef-on-the-bone

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i'd go type r

imo the better of the two and as easy to make look like a p1 without having to pay a premium............

Davey P

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Defiantly some sort of issue there as they should run at least 20bhp more in standard form.

midnight

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Interesting ,as i have since found this link ,which might explain why my mates P1 was down on power ,and maybe on jap 100 ron fuel sti 5 might produce 305 bhp:

AndyForrestPerformance

The Trooper 1815

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I have seen the white P1 in the flesh

Still have a Type R though!

every1sgottablue1

I was under the impression that the P1 were type R imports that Prodrive took on board to make a special edition. Also the reason that they had rebuild issues was because they were originally mapped for 100 ron Jap fuel?

GC8

They were based on the V5 STI, but running a non-DCCD transmission. The re-builds had far more to do with people running them on 95RON fuel here, rather than the SUL they were told to use by Prodrive.