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Old 08 October 2008, 07:07 PM
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Default Upgrading classic ballpark cost.

Can a few of you give a rough idea of what the costs involved might be.

Really like the dark mica blue classics in terms of look....only 215ps ish though and all my previous classics have been JDM.

So if I got myself a decent cleanish late classic in Dark Mica Blue - to take it to 285 - 295ps ish ......so into JDM territory.

1. What parts would be needed exactly. e.g new turbo, exhaust etc
2. And what is a ballpark of what this should cost if I took the car to a reputable independant such Zen, API, ScoobyClinic, Sunbaruforyou and the other decent names etc etc (just a rough idea of budget) inc remap

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Old 08 October 2008, 08:53 PM
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I'm bumping this for you, because I would like to know too.
Old 08 October 2008, 08:57 PM
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i say around 3K as you will need decat exhaust , turbo ,remap/after market ecu, injectors ,fuel pump/regulator etc etc
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i have a my00
mine has both cats removed and just a sports cat in it now and a cone filter and upgraded fuel pump, 3 port and a vf35 and mine made 326/318

with just the cats off and cone filter it was running 260bhp after remap

to add the other 3 items your looking at
65 ish for fuel pump
25 ish for 3 port
and 250 for turbo
and another 300 for remap , but bear in mind if the car has not been mapped before you will be looking at around 600 for the first map
the sports cat and cone filter where already fitted so dont know the cost

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and by the way you got the best colour ....
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Originally Posted by Bubba po
I'm bumping this for you, because I would like to know too.
Thanks Fella

Thnaks for replies so far
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if its a late classic should already have 440 injectors so should be fine upto 350ish ... but bear in mind the higher the torque the more chance on killing the gear box , but that also depends how you drive and what sort of life its had before you brought it
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Originally Posted by Steve Whitehorn
Thanks Fella
No problem.

As a related question, when the decat has been done, how does one get around the MOT test?
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Originally Posted by Bubba po
No problem.

As a related question, when the decat has been done, how does one get around the MOT test?
even mine struggled to get through took 2 testers one on the pedal and the other at the machine ready to hit the button at the required amount

think most people just replace the centre section for the mot and think it will go through with the one on the downpipe

or you could just send the misses with a bits hanging out ..lol
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I'm pondering this too on my MY00 turbo daily runner, it's completely standard at the moment.

I just can't decide whether to do cat back, filter and cheeky remap or go for it a bit more with VF turbo and bits for circa 320bhp.

One other thing, nobody has mentioned the intercooler.. is the stock MY00 cooler ok even at 320bhp?
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I reckon I would have spent around £1600 to get my MY99 up to 325-330bhp (had I done it all in one go). All second hand parts (apart from the fuel pump) sourced from ScoobyNet + Zen remap.

VF35 - £250
STi8 Intercooler + Fitting Kit - £300
Graham Goode 3" Sports Cat Exhaust - £150
Fuel Pump - £100
Remap - £600
Fitting - £200 (ish)

All figures +/- a bit, can't be bothered to dig out all the receipts!
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Originally Posted by jameswrx
I'm pondering this too on my MY00 turbo daily runner, it's completely standard at the moment.

I just can't decide whether to do cat back, filter and cheeky remap or go for it a bit more with VF turbo and bits for circa 320bhp.

One other thing, nobody has mentioned the intercooler.. is the stock MY00 cooler ok even at 320bhp?
stock intercooler is good for 350bhp so am told , i just changed mine to a sti one , but that was just by choice..

i thought i was happy with my 265 but trust me as soon as you are told just another couple of bits and bigger turbo, you will want to do it , must be something to do with the magic 300 number ...lol

ending up paying another 300 for another remap which i could of cut out if i had researched it better
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Totally agree with the best colour, see view my scooby..
We got most of the bits together over a period of 6 months through you guys on here and my local scooby club which saved a packet.. fitted them and then mapped, very very pleased with the result, it's transformed the car from great fun to excellent fun every day of the week Your probably not far off 3K actually if you have it done by a specialist, go for it.
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dark mica best colour?? Nope, think you'll find the 74f on my MY00 2000 turbo is the best colour Navy blue looks ok on old bmw's I suppose
Old 09 October 2008, 11:49 AM
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230 feather white for the win
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if you settle for 270ish bhp you can keep your td04 and save a wedge

my mate did the same with uk 00 uk car and it cost nothing like 3k

what he did

full exhaust
filter
boost controller
get it checked to make sure its ok



jobs a goodun and he has been running like this for YEARS withou issue

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Old 09 October 2008, 12:43 PM
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Hi

Just out of interest i have a standard MY00 and it is guzzling more fuel since it had the MAF changed (It is requiring a service ) when all the upgrades are added and a remap, how does this affect your MPG better or worse.

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when you changed the maf, it would have been wise to reset the ecu IMO
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a remap can on some occasions give you better mpg
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Originally Posted by StickyMicky
if you settle for 270ish bhp you can keep your td04 and save a wedge

my mate did the same with uk 00 uk car and it cost nothing like 3k

what he did

full exhaust
filter
boost controller
get it checked to make sure its ok



jobs a goodun and he has been running like this for YEARS withou issue
will still need a remap
i did a run with these fitted before remap and it was running 222 after map 265 ..

but he could get a vf35 and fuel pump for about £350 more and then he would be into the 320's
thats if he can fit himself
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Originally Posted by StickyMicky
when you changed the maf, it would have been wise to reset the ecu IMO
do you just need to take battery off to rest ecu ???
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VF 28 / 29 / 30 /34 /35 any will produce a similar result.
Sports Panel filter
Decat Exhaust system
Depending upon car mileage; a fuel pump - not a bad idea anyway.
Remap with Simtek to take the bloody MAF out of service.

That will produce somewhere about 320 - 330. on yellow 440's.

They tend to max out at about 330 hp on standard fuel pressure, anything above 330 is a bonus - if genuine. 350 is a big squeeze on 440's unless the fuel pressure is increased and sometimes even then not possible.

Running injectors above about 94 % duty is not smart.

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Originally Posted by phil739
will still need a remap
i did a run with these fitted before remap and it was running 222 after map 265 ..

but he could get a vf35 and fuel pump for about £350 more and then he would be into the 320's
thats if he can fit himself
well then why did all my mates not need one ??

a stock car is pretty much mapped for anything up to its fuel cut, you can pretty much increase the boost (on the stock turbo) up to this point and the ecu has data for it.

did you reset the ecu ?

you dont always need a remap, although sometimes its wise to have it checked over.

ps. people bear in mind the chap dit not want a 350/400bhp car lol
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Originally Posted by bighead
i say around 3K as you will need decat exhaust , turbo ,remap/after market ecu, injectors ,fuel pump/regulator etc etc
Agreed!

Do not forget about suspension and brakes, power is not everything. Sharpened handling and good stopping power are just as impotant. A well set up car will be an easy match for one with more power in most situations unless it is the traffic light GP.
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Originally Posted by StickyMicky
well then why did all my mates not need one ??

a stock car is pretty much mapped for anything up to its fuel cut, you can pretty much increase the boost (on the stock turbo) up to this point and the ecu has data for it.

did you reset the ecu ?

you dont always need a remap, although sometimes its wise to have it checked over.

ps. people bear in mind the chap dit not want a 350/400bhp car lol
ok
i needed i remap to get the best out of my mods
i had decat and cone filter fitted when JGM came the first time, so we decide to see what i was pulling before he touched the ecu , 222bhp

after he had done his bit was running 260bhp

so for me a remap was needed
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Originally Posted by bighead
i say around 3K as you will need decat exhaust , turbo ,remap/after market ecu, injectors ,fuel pump/regulator etc etc
3K ..............try 1-1.5K

The list for my My99 standard RB5.

. VF28 [P1] fully reconditioned turbo £200
. Prodrive fuel pump £50
. Full H+S with decats [b/box £150, centre £40, d/pipe £100] 2nd hand
. Green panel filter £40
. used 3 port boost solenoid £25
. Ecutek remap £520
. NGK cold plugs £30

Mine made 330/310.

The turbo is absolutely essential imo, as the standard TD04 is too restrictive and won't see past 280/290.

All parts fitted by myself. Just a bit of research, patience and advice from Scoobynet and most jobs are do-able.
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Different rollers admittedly, but 236 -> 330. I spent under a grand for a near 100bhp increase. All bolt on and 1 plug in Z4 ECU.
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What boost do you run micky ???
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cost will vary, depending on new or second hand parts, fittiong it yourself or haivng somewhere do it for you.

personaly if i was cranking a uk turbo up to mid 300's i'd look at supporting mods, like oil cooler, gauges, nocklink, fornt mount etc etc. its all down to budget in the end.

for 300+bhp then 1.5k seems rather an underestimate to me.

£200 for a recondition turbo, from a reputable source is very very cheap indeed. £30 for a set of ngk's, i'd like to see you post a link up for that, not even seen them on ebay for that price. £50 for a fuel pump again is extreamly cheap.

while its doable, if thast what you've paid then i think you've had some luck getting that price or some serious discount from a freind lol i wouldn't trust ebay with a barge pole for items like this
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[quote=Tidgy;8192514]

for 300+bhp then 1.5k seems rather an underestimate to me.

£200 for a recondition turbo, from a reputable source is very very cheap indeed. £30 for a set of ngk's, i'd like to see you post a link up for that, not even seen them on ebay for that price. £50 for a fuel pump again is extreamly cheap.

My thoughts exactly T,

l'll buy every VF recon turbo you can find at £200 and the plugs at £30.00 and the 3 port solenoids at that price. Prodrive fuel pump is not the real deal, and if you believe the interweb prices you can buy a new Walbro for a little more - IF you believe.......

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