A non-believer is converted - Strut Brace
02 January 2001, 11:04 PM
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Whilst getting my car fixed I managed to source a very reasonably priced STi carbon-fibre strut brace.
The difference it makes is *staggering*!
I've heard a lot of people saying strut braces don't make any difference, I couldn't disagree more. The car feels substantially more solid through bends. It is also a great deal more shure footed, turn-in is fantastic and braking is more stable too
All I can say is if you haven't got one go and get one! Now then... should my cash get Leda suspension or an ECU... decisions decisions!
Matt
The difference it makes is *staggering*!
I've heard a lot of people saying strut braces don't make any difference, I couldn't disagree more. The car feels substantially more solid through bends. It is also a great deal more shure footed, turn-in is fantastic and braking is more stable too
All I can say is if you haven't got one go and get one! Now then... should my cash get Leda suspension or an ECU... decisions decisions!
Matt
03 January 2001, 01:24 AM
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could it not be the case that your car has had it's geometry setup more favourably now than it was before the repairs? e.g. maybe you've got prodrive or similar settings now but didn't have/or had a badly done setup before.
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03 January 2001, 09:18 AM
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May I just ask what is the Prodrive Geometry and is it suitable for a standard UK scoob MY00, and do you think there's a difference between a CF strut brace and a more typical metal type
03 January 2001, 09:42 AM
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Prodrive geometry is as follows:
Camber: Max Equal Negative (front)
Toe-in 1mm front and rear
And yes it is suitable for your car, these settings improve turn-in and cornering, and make braking squirm less.
Check out the SIDC FAQ section...
Camber: Max Equal Negative (front)
Toe-in 1mm front and rear
And yes it is suitable for your car, these settings improve turn-in and cornering, and make braking squirm less.
Check out the SIDC FAQ section...
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03 January 2001, 09:45 AM
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Strut-braces...
As for differences I am not sure to be honest as I have just lost my strut-brace virginity
The only thing I do know is that the CF one certainly makes a huge difference, the car feels *much* more agile and solid, I took it for a blast this morning and rediscovered some roads on the way to work, much much better... go get one!
As for differences I am not sure to be honest as I have just lost my strut-brace virginity
The only thing I do know is that the CF one certainly makes a huge difference, the car feels *much* more agile and solid, I took it for a blast this morning and rediscovered some roads on the way to work, much much better... go get one!
03 January 2001, 02:09 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Paul M:
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do you think there's a difference between a CF strut brace and a more typical metal type[/quote]
No difference, except £100+ in your pocket!! If anything I would have thought a solid metal one should be stronger than a CF one with joins in it??
Save money and get a normal one, unless you spend a lot of time looking under the bonnet
I prefer driving my car 
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do you think there's a difference between a CF strut brace and a more typical metal type[/quote]
No difference, except £100+ in your pocket!!
If anything I would have thought a solid metal one should be stronger than a CF one with joins in it??Save money and get a normal one, unless you spend a lot of time looking under the bonnet
I prefer driving my car
03 January 2001, 06:47 PM
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I got an OMP strut brace from Demon Tweeks for £30, and noticed the difference.
I plan on spending the £100 I saved down at PowerStation for bumpsteer removal!!
I'm now waiting for yellow intercooler hoses to match the strut brace!!! Yes, I know I'm a tart!!!
Andy
I plan on spending the £100 I saved down at PowerStation for bumpsteer removal!!
I'm now waiting for yellow intercooler hoses to match the strut brace!!!
Yes, I know I'm a tart!!!Andy
03 January 2001, 10:31 PM
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Go and buy a strut brace, get the geometry set to Prodrive settings and buy some Toyo Proxes (I did today!)and the car will be amazingly different.
It really feels like a different car, very solid, much more confidence inspiring through the bends (just 'tested' the tyres and PIAA's down a dark lane ..very addictive!). Best few hundred quid I've ever spent and will definately be getting the Toyo's again...or maybe the Bridgestones...
It really feels like a different car, very solid, much more confidence inspiring through the bends (just 'tested' the tyres and PIAA's down a dark lane ..very addictive!). Best few hundred quid I've ever spent and will definately be getting the Toyo's again...or maybe the Bridgestones...
04 January 2001, 02:59 AM
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Re: bump steer my suggestion is to try before you buy.
I drove Stef's car with bump steer removed and thought the handling was pretty scary (steering was very light and detached, and the car was very unstable under braking on a bend). May be it takes a while to get used to it - I don't know.
Also worth checking if it can be un-done in case you don't like it (I don't think it can be but I may be wrong).
I drove Stef's car with bump steer removed and thought the handling was pretty scary (steering was very light and detached, and the car was very unstable under braking on a bend). May be it takes a while to get used to it - I don't know.
Also worth checking if it can be un-done in case you don't like it (I don't think it can be but I may be wrong).
05 January 2001, 04:24 PM
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I thought the general concencus was that the STi carbon brace was more for looks than anything else? It seems to move around too much to offer any great degree of support.
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05 January 2001, 04:29 PM
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eek, if a 'naff' just-for-looks one does what it has what will a 'proper' one do!
I know you chaps are monster-brained-beasts when it comes to scoobs and I have the utmost respect for your opinions and knowledge but I also find it hard to believe that the guys at FHI don't know their stuff... don't leech me... just a thought!
it would be interesting to compare different ones actually...
Matt.
I know you chaps are monster-brained-beasts when it comes to scoobs and I have the utmost respect for your opinions and knowledge but I also find it hard to believe that the guys at FHI don't know their stuff... don't leech me... just a thought!
it would be interesting to compare different ones actually...
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05 January 2001, 04:43 PM
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Matt.
Not saying they don't know their stuff. Just grab the brace in the middle and try and move it up and down.....it does so quite easily. It's hard to see therefore how it offers much in the way of 'bracing the struts' . I'm sure it does something though.
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[This message has been edited by Stef (edited 05 January 2001).]
Not saying they don't know their stuff. Just grab the brace in the middle and try and move it up and down.....it does so quite easily. It's hard to see therefore how it offers much in the way of 'bracing the struts'
. I'm sure it does something though.Stef.
[This message has been edited by Stef (edited 05 January 2001).]
05 January 2001, 06:33 PM
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yeh, I thought that too Stef but also thought that sideways movement was what it was primarly working with...
Isn't the strut working with movement across the car, i.e. on a left hand bend won't the left hand 'push' the right hand down, i.e. sideways movement more than up-down. Although I can also see that this movement would cause flex in the brace...maybe it is supposed to bend
is that a complete load of cr*p, if so I'll get me coat!
Matt
Isn't the strut working with movement across the car, i.e. on a left hand bend won't the left hand 'push' the right hand down, i.e. sideways movement more than up-down. Although I can also see that this movement would cause flex in the brace...maybe it is supposed to bend
is that a complete load of cr*p, if so I'll get me coat!
Matt
06 January 2001, 08:59 AM
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- did you guys hit the pub early?? if the brace moves up/down, forward/backward, it won't prevent side-to-side movement. Try getting a plastic ruler and bending it up/down and see how much closer the to ends are to each other A strut brace should be a solid bar that doesn't move at all. Essentially to stop a square turning into a triangle (or rhombus
)I'll get your coats, wanna a taxi
06 January 2001, 09:46 AM
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Scotty,
Exactly! My car feels like a different beast all together with the brace on... I find it interesting that some people don't notice any difference, maybe they aren't using the genuine subaru part
Gary,
If you are gonna get me coat I'll have one of those genuine flying jackets please
Exactly! My car feels like a different beast all together with the brace on... I find it interesting that some people don't notice any difference, maybe they aren't using the genuine subaru part
Gary,
If you are gonna get me coat I'll have one of those genuine flying jackets please
06 January 2001, 10:10 AM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Subarussian:
[B]Re: bump steer my suggestion is to try before you buy.
I drove Stef's car with bump steer removed and thought the handling was pretty scary (steering was very light and detached, and the car was very unstable under braking on a bend). May be it takes a while to get used to it - I don't know.
Subarussian
You should get our braking done before turning in. Braking into the bend (trail braking) should really be used as a tool to bring the back end out.
Scoobs corner much better with some drive to the wheels.
Once you get used to it it is great fun as well as a useful tool.
DJ
[B]Re: bump steer my suggestion is to try before you buy.
I drove Stef's car with bump steer removed and thought the handling was pretty scary (steering was very light and detached, and the car was very unstable under braking on a bend). May be it takes a while to get used to it - I don't know.
Subarussian
You should get our braking done before turning in. Braking into the bend (trail braking) should really be used as a tool to bring the back end out.
Scoobs corner much better with some drive to the wheels.
Once you get used to it it is great fun as well as a useful tool.
DJ
06 January 2001, 10:58 AM
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Plastic rulers: How much force does it take to bend one in the middle by pushing each end compared with holding the ends and pushing the middle
I can't believe these guys will not have designed the CF brace to accept the loads it needs to! Maybe the brace is better to allow some flexing when the loading gets to a certain level, there is such a thing as too much stiffness! (make of that what you will )
Mick
Plastic rulers: How much force does it take to bend one in the middle by pushing each end compared with holding the ends and pushing the middle
I can't believe these guys will not have designed the CF brace to accept the loads it needs to! Maybe the brace is better to allow some flexing when the loading gets to a certain level, there is such a thing as too much stiffness! (make of that what you will
)Mick
06 January 2001, 04:21 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Mick:
<B>GaryC
Plastic rulers: How much force does it take to bend one in the middle by pushing each end compared with holding the ends and pushing the middle
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Irrelevant given the example I was refering to the decrease in distance between the ends, not the flxibility of a plastic ruler - but a lot less that a solid metal £30 Strut Brace
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Mick:
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I can't believe these guys will not have designed the CF brace to accept the loads it needs to! Maybe the brace is better to allow some flexing when the loading gets to a certain level, there is such a thing as too much stiffness! (make of that what you will )
Mick[/quote]
Better to allow flexing? Too much stiffness??
You're having a laugh! If thats the case, Richard Burns seam-welded WRC must handle like a dog
The idea with a Strut Brace is to keep the the top of the suspension mounts as rigid as possible, thus keeping the wheels as upright as they should be. The stiffer the better.
Maybe FHI realise how guilable some impreza owners are and will pay up to 5 times as much for a less effective but prettier strut brace??
<B>GaryC
Plastic rulers: How much force does it take to bend one in the middle by pushing each end compared with holding the ends and pushing the middle
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Irrelevant given the example
I was refering to the decrease in distance between the ends, not the flxibility of a plastic ruler - but a lot less that a solid metal £30 Strut Brace <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Mick:
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I can't believe these guys will not have designed the CF brace to accept the loads it needs to! Maybe the brace is better to allow some flexing when the loading gets to a certain level, there is such a thing as too much stiffness! (make of that what you will
)Mick[/quote]
Better to allow flexing? Too much stiffness??
You're having a laugh! If thats the case, Richard Burns seam-welded WRC must handle like a dog The idea with a Strut Brace is to keep the the top of the suspension mounts as rigid as possible, thus keeping the wheels as upright as they should be. The stiffer the better.
Maybe FHI realise how guilable some impreza owners are and will pay up to 5 times as much for a less effective but prettier strut brace??
06 January 2001, 04:58 PM
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at the end of the day I don't care what anyone says about it, I know that it has made a significant difference to the handling of the car and to me that is all that matters.
The fact that it was relatively expensive compared to other braces is irrelevant imho, I managed to get a very expensive original part for a reasonable price and I am happy.
so there... with sugar on and those hundreds and thousands things.
Oh and Gary, I don't think I am gullable thankyou very much, I bought it because I thought it was a genuine bargain for a genuine part.
The fact that it was relatively expensive compared to other braces is irrelevant imho, I managed to get a very expensive original part for a reasonable price and I am happy.
so there... with sugar on and those hundreds and thousands things.
Oh and Gary, I don't think I am gullable thankyou very much, I bought it because I thought it was a genuine bargain for a genuine part.
06 January 2001, 05:00 PM
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OK my experience.....
Went from std with Prodrive geometry
Fitted Sparco strut brace.
Was there really a difference or is it a placebo effect (I've got it so it must feel better)
Then had Powerstation geometry/bumpsteer removal....OMG !! feels like a new car !
Personally I feel geometry settings, even tyre pressures, have much greater effect than fitting/removing strut brace.(but then mines a wagon, not a floppy 4door) 
DJ (takes cover)
Went from std with Prodrive geometry
Fitted Sparco strut brace.
Was there really a difference or is it a placebo effect (I've got it so it must feel better)
Then had Powerstation geometry/bumpsteer removal....OMG !! feels like a new car !
Personally I feel geometry settings, even tyre pressures, have much greater effect than fitting/removing strut brace.(but then mines a wagon, not a floppy 4door)
DJ (takes cover)