mirAGE

Morning.....

After a years ownership of a 2000 Turbo - I am almost about to chop it in for a P1.....

Anyone got any comments on like the big brakes - do they work well ? anything that I should know or helpful stuff.....

Thanks in Advance.....

matt d

Big brakes are definitely worthwhile IMO. However they do have a tendency to warp discs. Greater stopping power and fade resistance versus servicing hassle.

MartinM

Lots of info in Wheels, Tyres and Brakes...

...especially my post - http://www.scoobynet.co.uk/bbs/thread.asp?threadid=55226

Get the P1 anyway - a fantastic car. I'll report back on the AP's in that thread after fitting early next week

scoobynutta555

Surprised this thread hasnt been seized on by the rent a mob that seem to think theres loads wrong with a P1.Unless youre a lunatic the brakes are just fine, my paint doesnt flake off, and theres only stone chips on the lower front spoiler, where u would expect to see them as its so low. I had just as many stone chips on the lower spolier of my old "classic" wrx.

Price wise, a list of £31,500 is a bit of a joke, i paid £29,000 for mine brand new with a trade in sti5 typeR, see how many subaru garages take an import as a trade in

As for comments ive heard that "if you considering a P1 you should go out and get an sti coupe instead," all i can say is i made the change from the previously mentioned 5 typeR and i couldnt be happier. They are very different cars. Aside from the fact that there could be big bills if something major went wrong, the drive is totally different, and IMO much better suited to this country.

Depreciation wise, the vast majority of new cars will drop in value when they roll off a forecourt. If youre going to chop your car in before youve had it 3 years then u should expect to pay for it.In the longer run im sure that the prices will remain relatively firm.

And of course its the older shape. The baying mob will tell u why pay all that wedge on a discontinued shape. Easy, it looks better and its better than anything in the uk subaru range at the moment, and is guaranteed classic status.

So go for it mate you wont regret.

wilf

I agree with the above. If you do a topic search you will find plenty of similar threads including my own.

In my view plenty enough to justify changing from std turbo. 22b aside it remains "the" Scoob to own.

Gordo

Agreed - love mine to bits. No problems with it apart from the front skirt likes to make friends with kerbs (my fault for being careless!) and the P Zeros (change them). Otherwise it's a road eater.

Gordo

z80

Every time I drive my P1 I'm surprised and continually pleased with how it does the business. Bought new on Marcxh 1st, done 8K miles.

It's decatted but with original back box. I find the car Extremely quick. Love it to bits. Next year I'm fitting the PE sports cat pipe with T75 BB. Bit more torque & then legal.

Get mine serviced at Tiley's in Bristol & they're a fine and enthusiatic bunch.

Regards,

Simon

Petoir

Had mine since August - done 10k miles since. A couple of chips on the front lip but nowhere near as bad as the DBM 99 I had before.

It's an amazing car, drives like an old lady around town, get on an open B Road, where the car was born, and you simply will not believe the difference between the P1 and the 'standard' car, but you need real ***** to get the most out of it - that 8000 red line is just a screamer. Rides the ridges and bumps like a dream.

It still scares me on occasion. I've fitted the Prodrive BB and uprated the brake pads and it's close to a perfect car as I can imagine. Previously I've owned Evo6, M3 and golf VR6 - P1 a bit gentler then the Evo, but I do a lot of miles. M3 was a tank around anything resembling a bend, but amazing over 90mph and the Golf was rubbish.

Agree with others, the P Zeros are S**t, understeers like **** in the wet. As soon as I lose a little more tread, the Toyos are going on.

mirAGE

Thanks for all the comments so far, I am looking to by a 00 X, it has 18k on it and also has the big brake + wheel upgrade, guage pack and full leather inside....

gonna pay 28 - is this a fair price ?

wilf

MirAGE sounds okay for a franchised dealer car. Check out the subaru website and do a search vs P1s under approved used cars this brings up just about every P1 for sale in the whole dealer network.

Good luck

Deep Blue Mica

I'm in the same boat mate, but have decided to wait for the UK Sti7 to compare it with the P1 and also to see what effect its arrival has on residuals......my heart says P1, my head says new Sti with good warranty, better build, better suspension.....we'll see!
Bottom line: I can't imagine ever regretting buying a P1.....Jesus,I'm away again.....I want one too........HELP ME!!!
DBM

mirAGE

I dont like the new shape scoobys - hence reason for P1....

Based on what people have said - I cant go wrong......

I am a little cautious about the stonechips but I can touch them up and also the fact that its got 18k on it but my current has 15 and this is when they wanna get to that playful stage, I am assured by the dealer that the current owner didn't put that much milage on it - previous it was their managers car and thats where most of it went so......

Full history and a dealer with a good rep tends to make me think it's a good move - if not then they will hear about it.....

TIMH WRX

I can't understand some of the views here. A WRX or STI will cost approximately half the price and is just as quick, if not quicker. Parts are easy to get if you use a WRX specialist. Also, it won't depreciate nearly as much. It might look slightly different and have slightly different handling but surely that's not worth £10k - £15k and will you really notice the difference anyway?

Why do you think they've had so much trouble shifting them??

JoeyDeacon

Surely it makes financial sense to buy the STi 7?? I can't believe you are willing to pay £28,000 for a secondhand car when you could have a brand new STi7 for £25,995. I bet the value of P1's will plummet when the STi7 is available.

Just my 2p worth.

mirAGE

Isn't the STI7 based on the new shape - I dont like the new shape - hence why I am looking at the P1

RoShamBo

iTrader: (1)

I tend to agree.
In the past THE big argument against Imports seemed to be parts availability & problems getting them serviced. Today these 2 things couldn't be easier.
Plus I have always thought that the P1 was over priced.
I just cannot justify spending £31k on a Scooby when £15/16k buys you an import thats just as capable......Import plus £10k in pocket or P1........ask yourself that question.

Ro.

wilf

Try trading your grey import in and see where that gets you

mirAGE

How far would I get with an import then ???

Steve Fort

I've also been considering a trade in for a P1 in the next few months after owning a MY00 for nearly 2 years.

I'm just not sure whether it will be worth the extra 10 grand.
My present car has a number of mods (fmic, uni-chip, HKS ebc, etc) and is now putting out similar power and torque to a std P1. It is also sonic blue with P1 wheels so it even looks similar.

The only main benefits that i can see from getting a P1 will be the better handling and the exclusivity.
Is this really worth the extra 10 grand?! (or am i totally missing the point and talking pants?!)


Or shall i just trade it in for something different like an EVO6, and only have to add about an extra 5 grand?!!!!!!!!!!

[Edited by Steve Fort - 12/12/2001 12:40:01 PM]

Adam M

evo 6.

sorry guys

RoShamBo

iTrader: (1)

Steve - not talking pants at all.
& the handling can be sorted with a Leda set-up for £1,500 which will probably make it handle better than a P1.

Ro.

mirAGE

What about the "But it's a P1" factor ???

You could get a uk turbo to P1 power and handling but how much would you have to spend to do it.....

Having said that - surly you do buy a P1 for the fact that it's a P1 amongst other things ???

wilf

Consider how much the MY00 costs new then add cost of all those mods needed to get similar performance to P1. Then add cost of other mods to match p1 spec eg interior tracker etc. Then consider enhanced trade in value of MY00 with extras vs P1 second hand value. Consider the insurance increase over a modded MY00 vs a P1 (P1 cheaper) Consider P1 still within warranty. Consider P1 better starting point for mods.

Thanks very much but I think the P1 has just made a better financial case for itself.

mirAGE

And having been looking at stuff - you only get back maybe 20% of the value of mods to your car - in the market (not private) mods are not a selling point, I think that paying 27995 for a P1 with guage pack, big brakes + wheels and full leather re-trim is a good deal given the about that those mods cost on a new car, I know I have said that mods are not worth much but to me - they are nice.

RoShamBo

iTrader: (1)

Why didn't the P1's fly out of the door when they were announced.
Why are there still many unregistered ones.
Price was a big reason - it was too expensive compared to the standard Turbo. It just isn't worth over £10k more than a standard Scooby......"cos its a P1" isn't enough.
It should have been priced around the £25,995 mark.

Ro.

wilf

Rambosham,

See reply to thread on P1 vs Elise about all P1s being sold

I agree P1s were overpriced at £31k thats why I only paid £27k for mine. However the second hand market for them at sensible money is v healthy.

Steve Fort

Would agree, P1's do hold their price well. But then, so do all scoobs. I imagine a P1 being easier to sell on though.

Just worked out how much my car has cost over the last 2 years, including mods, excluding running costs:

Car 2nd hand private (few months old)-£16500
Total sum of modifications -£5000
1 yrs insurance -£1500

TOTAL -£23000 (D'oh!!!)

Average price of 2nd hand P1 -£25000
Insurance quote from my company -£2200

TOTAL -£27200

Not that much in it i spose, and considering the resale value for my car is only about £15000, the P1 is definatly the better option financially.

If only i'd worked all of this out a couple of years ago, but then i did buy my car intending on leaving it standard, oh well!!!!

Adam M

You are working on the assumption that you wont mod the P1. Whatever you buy you will mod it.

The P1 factor is hyped nonsense.

Agree with scoobynutta to some extent that sti 5 type r is a different car and perhaps the differences are a little too extreme to be easily rectified but if you start with a version 5 wrx type r you have the same drivetrain as a P1 with abs, only difference then is shocks and a fwe other minor bits.

Cosmetics are irrelevant, P1 just has a funny carbon wing (not nice) and a funny lip spoiler with dodgy paint. You can buy said wrx type r for <15k spend 1k on it and have effectively a P1.

The minor differences are such things as sti heads (not such an advantage on later models) and forged pistons- Andy tang, and Topcat has proven the heavier cast pistons can take circa 350bhp.

Remainder we have is warranty, ok, but for the 15k diference you can do a lot of repairs in three years, and on top of that i have never had an equipment failure in my scoob that a warranty would cover.

Residuals, well, depreciation is proportional to car value, and since we are starting with a car that is at most 15k, I cant see it losing anywhere near what teh P1 will in the same amount of time.

mirAGE

Thanks for all the comments - chances are that I will probably buy, Unless after test drive the missus hates it....

She has said yes pending Test Drive.....

Just hope she still says yes afterwards !!!

Kempo

Hey, forget what the missus says because if it's no, I don't get to drive a P1 either

Let me know once you've seen it mate...talk to ya soon