Does anyone run a BIG Bhp Scoob on the road?
18 October 2006, 03:38 PM
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Does anyone run a BIG Bhp Scoob on the road?
Does anyone run a big BHP Scoob on the road on a daily basis i.e. 400bhp+
How did you get there? and what has your reliability issues been like?
Any tales of engagement with suprised supercar owners you'd like to share?
Finally how much have you spent to achieve this?
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How did you get there? and what has your reliability issues been like?
Any tales of engagement with suprised supercar owners you'd like to share?
Finally how much have you spent to achieve this?
Cheers
18 October 2006, 03:48 PM
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id speak to alloy on this one. scouse playboy with lots of horses. hes always reminding me of it on msn the ****!!!
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18 October 2006, 03:49 PM
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the gaffer is your man (from scoobyclinic)
hes got the development sc450 in his 22b (450bhp, 480ftlb) biggest issue hes had is killing rear tyres pmsl.
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hes got the development sc450 in his 22b (450bhp, 480ftlb) biggest issue hes had is killing rear tyres pmsl.
check out the sc450 on Scooby Clinic | The UK's Largest Independent Subaru Specialists
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Originally Posted by chocolate_o_brian
id speak to alloy on this one. scouse playboy with lots of horses. hes always reminding me of it on msn the ****!!!
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My '02 WRX runs great. I don't drive it often though but it is my "daily driver". I replaced the EJ205 with a MY05 STi EJ207 and 6MT. Only thing I worry about these days are axles and the stock R160 rear diff.
Going to get it dyno'd next weekend. I am expecting 330 wheel HP or so.
I have had a run with my friends 997 and a CSL. Both saw scooby taillights. My other friends have a new 505hp M6 and a 575hp Diablo 6.0. Neither will run me from a dig.
Sorry for the crappy pic. I desperately need a better digi cam.
Going to get it dyno'd next weekend. I am expecting 330 wheel HP or so.
I have had a run with my friends 997 and a CSL. Both saw scooby taillights. My other friends have a new 505hp M6 and a 575hp Diablo 6.0. Neither will run me from a dig.
Sorry for the crappy pic. I desperately need a better digi cam.
18 October 2006, 04:24 PM
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Been running for at least a year at over 500bhp and a lot more than that for a couple of months now.
Don't use it daily as it became a toy to play with some years ago but isn't taken out to just go to the shops or work, but for arenaline pumpin' fun.
Reliability hasn't been an issue so far. I've just been lucky i guess.
Cost in parts on the car stand at around 22K. Not what i've spent over the years, just what's on there just now.
Don't use it daily as it became a toy to play with some years ago but isn't taken out to just go to the shops or work, but for arenaline pumpin' fun.
Reliability hasn't been an issue so far. I've just been lucky i guess.
Cost in parts on the car stand at around 22K. Not what i've spent over the years, just what's on there just now.
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18 October 2006, 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by AlanG
Been running for at least a year at over 500bhp and a lot more than that for a couple of months now.
Don't use it daily as it became a toy to play with some years ago but isn't taken out to just go to the shops or work, but for arenaline pumpin' fun.
Reliability hasn't been an issue so far. I've just been lucky i guess.
Cost in parts on the car stand at around 22K. Not what i've spent over the years, just what's on there just now.
Don't use it daily as it became a toy to play with some years ago but isn't taken out to just go to the shops or work, but for arenaline pumpin' fun.
Reliability hasn't been an issue so far. I've just been lucky i guess.
Cost in parts on the car stand at around 22K. Not what i've spent over the years, just what's on there just now.
18 October 2006, 05:17 PM
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yet to know a 500bhp everyday scoob survive for very long, 450bhp will last a while
Every day mine gets used, it really gets *used*. (I've built it, so might as well enjoy it!)
If you're talking every day, as in daily trudge to work and so on, then reliability should be on a par with any standard Impreza with the usual things you have to deal with such as tyres, brakes, oil changes, worn bushes etc etc. You read of all these problems the marque has on these pages, it's part and parcel of owning an Impreza.
At 500bhp+ though, i would say mine has been reliable cause there have been many in the past out there, at or close to this level, with engine (power related) problems.
What was the biggest expense? was the jump from say 400bhp to 500bhp a massive difference in cost?
To be fair i didn't want to use secondhand parts in my engine because of the projected power i was aiming for, so bought brand new heads, cams, block etc etc.
The jump from 500 to where i am now though, in my opinion, wasn't *really* worth the expense and effort put into it.
The problem is that jumping from say, 200-250bhp, you're going to notice the difference and it'll feel like, "wow" that's quick! (for a couple of weeks anyway!), but a jump from 500-550bhp isn't as noticeable in my opinion because you have so much power anyway, you need a whole lot more than 50bhp to feel the difference (hence it took ages before i could feel the benefit of my latest changes and feel i got value for the expense).
All in my humble opinion of course. There will be others that beg to differ.
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18 October 2006, 05:19 PM
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Depends what you mean by every day Tidgy.
Every day mine gets used, it really gets *used*. (I've built it, so might as well enjoy it!)
If you're talking every day, as in daily trudge to work and so on, then reliability should be on a par with any standard Impreza with the usual things you have to deal with such as tyres, brakes, oil changes, worn bushes etc etc. You read of all these problems the marque has on these pages, it's part and parcel of owning an Impreza.
At 500bhp+ though, i would say mine has been reliable cause there have been many in the past out there, at or close to this level, with engine (power related) problems.
I would say so!
To be fair i didn't want to use secondhand parts in my engine because of the projected power i was aiming for, so bought brand new heads, cams, block etc etc.
The jump from 500 to where i am now though, in my opinion, wasn't *really* worth the expense and effort put into it.
The problem is that jumping from say, 200-250bhp, you're going to notice the difference and it'll feel like, "wow" that's quick! (for a couple of weeks anyway!), but a jump from 500-550bhp isn't as noticeable in my opinion because you have so much power anyway, you need a whole lot more to feel the difference (hence it took ages before i could feel the benefit of my latest changes).
All in my humble opinion of course. There will be others that beg to differ.
Every day mine gets used, it really gets *used*. (I've built it, so might as well enjoy it!)
If you're talking every day, as in daily trudge to work and so on, then reliability should be on a par with any standard Impreza with the usual things you have to deal with such as tyres, brakes, oil changes, worn bushes etc etc. You read of all these problems the marque has on these pages, it's part and parcel of owning an Impreza.
At 500bhp+ though, i would say mine has been reliable cause there have been many in the past out there, at or close to this level, with engine (power related) problems.
I would say so!
To be fair i didn't want to use secondhand parts in my engine because of the projected power i was aiming for, so bought brand new heads, cams, block etc etc.
The jump from 500 to where i am now though, in my opinion, wasn't *really* worth the expense and effort put into it.
The problem is that jumping from say, 200-250bhp, you're going to notice the difference and it'll feel like, "wow" that's quick! (for a couple of weeks anyway!), but a jump from 500-550bhp isn't as noticeable in my opinion because you have so much power anyway, you need a whole lot more to feel the difference (hence it took ages before i could feel the benefit of my latest changes).
All in my humble opinion of course. There will be others that beg to differ.
18 October 2006, 07:01 PM
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ment a daily running to work and back, with some spirited driving in it regularly lol
19 October 2006, 08:19 AM
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How driveable are these monsters? or do you get loads of lag because your running big turbo's? is loss of driveability something you have to live with?
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They are actually quite driveable to be honest, in what i would call everyday driving, ie very mixed, i roughly did 1800 miles in mine in 2 months, commuting to work the odd time each week. The problem is, they feel laggy and lacking in grunt below 3000, because the shove in the back above 3000 is so ferrocious, it can hurt. In reality, they probably have standard scoob power (if not more) below 3000.
As for driving every day, its difficult to quantify, as there is driving (odd little overtake and blast) and then there is driving (as hard and fast as you can whenever you can), the latter being what Alan does, and what i prodominantly did with mine.
The biggest thing is, and i have said this to several people several times, a 350bhp/350lbft car you can jump in and drive how you want, with a little increase in your attention to whats going on.
However, at 400 of each, you need to start concentrating a damned site hard, and you cant just mash the throttle, as undulations in the road start to dictate which direction you are going in.
At 500+ of each, its another level again, you drop your concentration by 1% and you can be screwed big time, seriously, either through your inability to control the car, or the lack of others to appreciate just how QUICKLY you are approaching/overtaking them. You have to pretty much pull out and then plant the throttle before overtaking.
It is a difficult thing to describe, because anyone who hasnt been in one of these cars just thinks "yeah yeah, your hyping it up", but i assure you i am not.
Alan Bells Sti7 when it had a 2.0l was around mid 300's, and i could drive that flat out between his house and mine, without the need for 100% concentration. This is on B and C roads.
Gradually, thanks to the 2.5, its developed through the 400 barrier and now sits comfortably in the mid 400's of each. Its a superb road car, just right. However, on the same journey, i can no longer drive flat out, even with 100% concentration, the pick up between corners is just too quick for the next corner, and thats with better brakes and suspension since the mid 300 engine.
Horses for courses i guess, but IMO, the jump from 400 to 500 can be a negative one in more ways than not, for certain people, as the car will suddenly have significantly different driving characteristics. Plus, again IMO, it can trigger a point of no return with the car.....
As for driving every day, its difficult to quantify, as there is driving (odd little overtake and blast) and then there is driving (as hard and fast as you can whenever you can), the latter being what Alan does, and what i prodominantly did with mine.
The biggest thing is, and i have said this to several people several times, a 350bhp/350lbft car you can jump in and drive how you want, with a little increase in your attention to whats going on.
However, at 400 of each, you need to start concentrating a damned site hard, and you cant just mash the throttle, as undulations in the road start to dictate which direction you are going in.
At 500+ of each, its another level again, you drop your concentration by 1% and you can be screwed big time, seriously, either through your inability to control the car, or the lack of others to appreciate just how QUICKLY you are approaching/overtaking them. You have to pretty much pull out and then plant the throttle before overtaking.
It is a difficult thing to describe, because anyone who hasnt been in one of these cars just thinks "yeah yeah, your hyping it up", but i assure you i am not.
Alan Bells Sti7 when it had a 2.0l was around mid 300's, and i could drive that flat out between his house and mine, without the need for 100% concentration. This is on B and C roads.
Gradually, thanks to the 2.5, its developed through the 400 barrier and now sits comfortably in the mid 400's of each. Its a superb road car, just right. However, on the same journey, i can no longer drive flat out, even with 100% concentration, the pick up between corners is just too quick for the next corner, and thats with better brakes and suspension since the mid 300 engine.
Horses for courses i guess, but IMO, the jump from 400 to 500 can be a negative one in more ways than not, for certain people, as the car will suddenly have significantly different driving characteristics. Plus, again IMO, it can trigger a point of no return with the car.....
19 October 2006, 09:42 AM
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I have to say, it does become a bit of a problem with that point of no return.
When I first got the car, there were a few subtle mods planned. About 3 years ago I decided that about 320bhp would be a good target.. then it was 350... then 400 and so on.
I figured 350 was a good place to stop for the engine on an MY99, but always had that nagging feeling everytime I drove it hard that the (std uk) gearbox might give way at any time. Then a good priced 2nd hand part would turn up.. then another one until it had everything required for 400ish. What it produces at the moment I have no idea, but was pacing a porche GT3 down the a straight at the nurburgring even with a hole in the headers
I've found it's stopped being a car that I can just jump in and drive more and more over the years. Now i never use for short runs it if there is the option to take something else. There's always some bit of work to be doing on it, which was never the intended plan.
However I wouldn't swap it for anything, and now that I don't use it as a daily driver more power again is on the way
My advice would be, if you do intend to sell your car at some point and not loose a bucket load of cash down it, pick a modest target and stick to it 100%.
Actually from your original questions, it has always started though sometimes with annoying niggles (like the headers). I have no idea how much i've spent on this car over the years, and I'm glad I don't know!
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When I first got the car, there were a few subtle mods planned. About 3 years ago I decided that about 320bhp would be a good target.. then it was 350... then 400 and so on.
I figured 350 was a good place to stop for the engine on an MY99, but always had that nagging feeling everytime I drove it hard that the (std uk) gearbox might give way at any time. Then a good priced 2nd hand part would turn up.. then another one until it had everything required for 400ish. What it produces at the moment I have no idea, but was pacing a porche GT3 down the a straight at the nurburgring even with a hole in the headers
I've found it's stopped being a car that I can just jump in and drive more and more over the years. Now i never use for short runs it if there is the option to take something else. There's always some bit of work to be doing on it, which was never the intended plan.
However I wouldn't swap it for anything, and now that I don't use it as a daily driver more power again is on the way
My advice would be, if you do intend to sell your car at some point and not loose a bucket load of cash down it, pick a modest target and stick to it 100%.
Actually from your original questions, it has always started though sometimes with annoying niggles (like the headers). I have no idea how much i've spent on this car over the years, and I'm glad I don't know!
Dave
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At 500+ of each, its another level again, you drop your concentration by 1% and you can be screwed big time, seriously, either through your inability to control the car, or the lack of others to appreciate just how QUICKLY you are approaching/overtaking them. You have to pretty much pull out and then plant the throttle before overtaking.
It is a difficult thing to describe, because anyone who hasnt been in one of these cars just thinks "yeah yeah, your hyping it up", but i assure you i am not.
It is a difficult thing to describe, because anyone who hasnt been in one of these cars just thinks "yeah yeah, your hyping it up", but i assure you i am not.
And don't for one minute think you can handle it no problem, it will bite you at some point.
I've been caught out on 2 or 3 occasions and this is on roads i've known and driven for over 22+ years of driving. Up until the point you get a fright, you become blase about all the fun roads you know and how you know them like the back of your hand, but believe me, there will be an occasion which will put the jitters up you.
As for tuning to this level, it's a difficult one. People like myself, Steven and all the others out there running high performance cars such as these will never be able to convince you not to go for it. It's human nature to be curious.
I thought i'd stop at 400 which back then was quite an achievement plus it was a power level in a car which, up until then, i could only dream about. The dream of owning something with " four.. hun...dred...horsepower..." wow!
It was amazing. Then... a look at finances, feasibility, then the actual possibilty i could get 500!!bhp.... it was too good to resist. I should have stopped there cause at that point it was, in reality, too much for the road, but i pushed the 2.5 litre further, which was stupid looking back on it due to cost/versus value for money, but as i said earlier, it's human curiosity to see if you can do it. Doesn't help being an engineer and being interested in how things respond to changes... ho hum.
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How driveable are these monsters? or do you get loads of lag because your running big turbo's? is loss of driveability something you have to live with?
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The biggest thing is, and i have said this to several people several times, a 350bhp/350lbft car you can jump in and drive how you want, with a little increase in your attention to whats going on.
Certainly, if i was starting out again, i wouldn't take the car beyond this.
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Originally Posted by P20SPD
They are actually quite driveable to be honest, in what i would call everyday driving, ie very mixed, i roughly did 1800 miles in mine in 2 months, commuting to work the odd time each week. The problem is, they feel laggy and lacking in grunt below 3000, because the shove in the back above 3000 is so ferrocious, it can hurt. In reality, they probably have standard scoob power (if not more) below 3000.
As for driving every day, its difficult to quantify, as there is driving (odd little overtake and blast) and then there is driving (as hard and fast as you can whenever you can), the latter being what Alan does, and what i prodominantly did with mine.
The biggest thing is, and i have said this to several people several times, a 350bhp/350lbft car you can jump in and drive how you want, with a little increase in your attention to whats going on.
However, at 400 of each, you need to start concentrating a damned site hard, and you cant just mash the throttle, as undulations in the road start to dictate which direction you are going in.
At 500+ of each, its another level again, you drop your concentration by 1% and you can be screwed big time, seriously, either through your inability to control the car, or the lack of others to appreciate just how QUICKLY you are approaching/overtaking them. You have to pretty much pull out and then plant the throttle before overtaking.
It is a difficult thing to describe, because anyone who hasnt been in one of these cars just thinks "yeah yeah, your hyping it up", but i assure you i am not.
Alan Bells Sti7 when it had a 2.0l was around mid 300's, and i could drive that flat out between his house and mine, without the need for 100% concentration. This is on B and C roads.
Gradually, thanks to the 2.5, its developed through the 400 barrier and now sits comfortably in the mid 400's of each. Its a superb road car, just right. However, on the same journey, i can no longer drive flat out, even with 100% concentration, the pick up between corners is just too quick for the next corner, and thats with better brakes and suspension since the mid 300 engine.
Horses for courses i guess, but IMO, the jump from 400 to 500 can be a negative one in more ways than not, for certain people, as the car will suddenly have significantly different driving characteristics. Plus, again IMO, it can trigger a point of no return with the car.....
As for driving every day, its difficult to quantify, as there is driving (odd little overtake and blast) and then there is driving (as hard and fast as you can whenever you can), the latter being what Alan does, and what i prodominantly did with mine.
The biggest thing is, and i have said this to several people several times, a 350bhp/350lbft car you can jump in and drive how you want, with a little increase in your attention to whats going on.
However, at 400 of each, you need to start concentrating a damned site hard, and you cant just mash the throttle, as undulations in the road start to dictate which direction you are going in.
At 500+ of each, its another level again, you drop your concentration by 1% and you can be screwed big time, seriously, either through your inability to control the car, or the lack of others to appreciate just how QUICKLY you are approaching/overtaking them. You have to pretty much pull out and then plant the throttle before overtaking.
It is a difficult thing to describe, because anyone who hasnt been in one of these cars just thinks "yeah yeah, your hyping it up", but i assure you i am not.
Alan Bells Sti7 when it had a 2.0l was around mid 300's, and i could drive that flat out between his house and mine, without the need for 100% concentration. This is on B and C roads.
Gradually, thanks to the 2.5, its developed through the 400 barrier and now sits comfortably in the mid 400's of each. Its a superb road car, just right. However, on the same journey, i can no longer drive flat out, even with 100% concentration, the pick up between corners is just too quick for the next corner, and thats with better brakes and suspension since the mid 300 engine.
Horses for courses i guess, but IMO, the jump from 400 to 500 can be a negative one in more ways than not, for certain people, as the car will suddenly have significantly different driving characteristics. Plus, again IMO, it can trigger a point of no return with the car.....
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This is where i feel they should be left at as well Steven as an overall complete package. Hindsights wonderful though...
Certainly, if i was starting out again, i wouldn't take the car beyond this.
Certainly, if i was starting out again, i wouldn't take the car beyond this.
Nah
Some very good points though and i get what your saying.
I feel on twisty b roads My 270-280 bhp Classic is as fast as most things out there and i would not want or need more horse power point to point in these situations. However when things straighten out a bit i am left wanting in the performance stakes although in the scheme of things its still pretty quick on acceleration. (for a 280bhp Impreza anyway)
With regards to concentration - yep i have no doubt, i'm sure the most ham fisted amongst us will make rapid progress in a standard (ish) Impreza.
I would compare these 500bhp+ cars to a big sports bike i.e. drive/ride like a t**t and it will spit you on your ***. but there are plenty of us out there that ride them although admittedley nowhere near their limits.
I think i need a spin in one of these cars, to see if its what i want
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The other challenge with very high performance cars is that you lose perspective. Steven is spot on - you get used to tremendous performance and start to take it for granted - other road users really have no clue as to how fast you can accelerate up to them or how fast you may be going even on short straights.
This was really brought home to me when first getting mine sorted (around 550bhp) and being on a (private) dual carriageway alongside Steven in his then very brisk road wagon with around 350bhp.
We were cruising along and for fun I floored it in 5th - to me it felt brisk. We passed Steven who changed down to 4th and yet we passed him as if he was stationery.
Later on the same trip I wathced Steven using his pace to merge with motorway traffic and thought - Jeez he is quick!
From the driving seat you have no perspective as to how fast these cars are on road and that, ultimately, could be a very bad thing.
I know drive a 350/360 standard Spec C. It is so fast point to point and as Steven and others tell me - leave it as it is - it's perfect
This was really brought home to me when first getting mine sorted (around 550bhp) and being on a (private
) dual carriageway alongside Steven in his then very brisk road wagon with around 350bhp.We were cruising along and for fun I floored it in 5th - to me it felt brisk. We passed Steven who changed down to 4th and yet we passed him as if he was stationery.
Later on the same trip I wathced Steven using his pace to merge with motorway traffic and thought - Jeez he is quick!
From the driving seat you have no perspective as to how fast these cars are on road and that, ultimately, could be a very bad thing.
I know drive a 350/360 standard Spec C. It is so fast point to point and as Steven and others tell me - leave it as it is - it's perfect
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So what do you guys reckon is a good point to aim at bhp wise ? At the mo I have an Andy F remapped 01 WRX with 273bhp. Wouldn't want to lose throttle response though.
Any thoughts ?
Any thoughts ?
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Originally Posted by andythejock01wrx
So what do you guys reckon is a good point to aim at bhp wise ? At the mo I have an Andy F remapped 01 WRX with 273bhp. Wouldn't want to lose throttle response though.
Any thoughts ?
Any thoughts ?
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If I was going to do anything at all I would get a Vf35 turbo as I've heard they aren't too "laggy". So what is a sensible bhp figure to aim for to give the best combination of responsiveness and power ?
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The $10,000 question Alan, if you feel it wasn't worth going to the GT35R.. Would you prefer to go back to the GT30R?
However when things straighten out a bit i am left wanting in the performance stakes
I would compare these 500bhp+ cars to a big sports bike i.e. drive/ride like a t**t and it will spit you on your ***.
I know drive a 350/360 standard Spec C.
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Ok maybe driving like a t**t was a wrong choice of wording i dont drive or i hope i dont drive like that. However i find myself constantly trying to reach that limit on the open road (where conditions permit) and obviolsuy you reach the limit pretty quickly in a high bhp car i would imagine.
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Good write up Steven.
Whilst mine isn't classed as 'high-powered' I find it more than enough power for the road (eg enough to outpace F360s on the motorway, play with Ceberas and have fun with bikes) and it still holds its own on the strip against more powerful cars and drives home everytime.
Have everything in place to go for more power (spare built engine, dogbox...), but I really don't feel the need to and understand the pitfalls of doing so.
Whilst mine isn't classed as 'high-powered' I find it more than enough power for the road (eg enough to outpace F360s on the motorway, play with Ceberas and have fun with bikes) and it still holds its own on the strip against more powerful cars and drives home everytime.
Have everything in place to go for more power (spare built engine, dogbox...), but I really don't feel the need to and understand the pitfalls of doing so.
19 October 2006, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by BOB'5
Good write up Steven.
Whilst mine isn't classed as 'high-powered' I find it more than enough power for the road (eg enough to outpace F360s on the motorway, play with Ceberas and have fun with bikes) and it still holds its own on the strip against more powerful cars and drives home everytime.
Have everything in place to go for more power (spare built engine, dogbox...), but I really don't feel the need to and understand the pitfalls of doing so.
Whilst mine isn't classed as 'high-powered' I find it more than enough power for the road (eg enough to outpace F360s on the motorway, play with Ceberas and have fun with bikes) and it still holds its own on the strip against more powerful cars and drives home everytime.
Have everything in place to go for more power (spare built engine, dogbox...), but I really don't feel the need to and understand the pitfalls of doing so.
Looking at your profile i.e. 0-100 in 7.5 i'd say that was pretty powerful
what gearboxes do all you lot use and are they noisey buggers???
19 October 2006, 01:19 PM
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340/340 at most.
I use a 5-speed with uprated gearsets. A little noisey as gears 1,3 and 4 are straight cut:
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I use a 5-speed with uprated gearsets. A little noisey as gears 1,3 and 4 are straight cut:
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.