Russellg911

Hi all

Sorry for the newbie post. Basically I'm looking to trade my Seat Leon Cupra-R225 in for an 02 / 03 WRX Sti UK (possibly PPP'd).

Before I give this more serious thought, what are these like to drive? I like a car to have a nice crisp, progressive throttle reponse and to have a nice smooth, almost effortless pull, which is why I like my Leon...so basically I'm after more of the same...

Does the Sti UK sound like what I'm after?
Thanks for any help, I hope my question kinda makes sense...

JTaylor

Hello Newbie. Arrange a test drive.

James

Russellg911

Cheers James....I guess that's the surefire way to know.

Hopefully looking to test one at the weekend....so worried about being disappointed :S

bluepolarbear

I would suggest no, the power of the STI comes in a narrow rev range, outside that rev range it doesn't have much go and is very docile to drive. Keep it inside the rev range through ample use of the gears it is ballistic, certainly effortless pull, not sure you would call it smooth

MattW

PPP is a must IMO, unless you are out of warranty and then go for a remap. The 225 against a standard Sti won't be a massive difference although the AWD will inspire more confidence.

Vapid

You aren't going to get progressive throttle response from a STi. What you will get is plenty of understeer just like your Leon.

andythejock01wrx

You'll feel like a hornet in a jam jar !! Just kidding, and yes I nicked that off another post !

Ride is often thought to be too firm, but can be sorted with Prodrive springs.
BluePolarbear's comments seem to be the Scoobynet consensus re power delivery.

GazTheHat

The (standard) STi is far from progessive. It's nothing...nothing...approaching 3600-ish RPM...nothing. *WHAM* You're off like lightening.

It will be a different animal to your Leon.

I haven't driven a PPP Sti, but have similar mods and more power. The car is much easier to drive, more progressive, less lag and even more pull. If you can get a PPP one then all the better.

There will be understeer too when pushing.

Here are the pitfalls i found with the standard STi

Tramlining - Fking awful. Required both hands on the wheel at ALL time as the car would veer off in any direction when there's a change/undulation(sp?) in the tarmac.

I swapped to 18" PFF replicas with Toyo T1-S and the difference was massive. Can drive no handed now (just kidding!) (£695)

Lag - As explained above. PPP or similar package will cure this. (£1100-2000)

Wipers - Are sh!te, easily fixed though (£20)

Washy ride - Prodrive springs or similar will change this, but will ultimately make it quite a harsh ride. (£250)

Understeer - Whiteline Rear ARB & Droplinks (£120)

One thing i noticed is, you're forever changing gears, which, with the ride and narrow power band makes it a very busy, but spirited drive, when pushing on. The grip levels, especially in the wet will be much better than the Leon.

Now don't be put off by any of the above, i've just been honest.

If you can get a STi PPP then it will be easier and more rewarding to drive!! The other bits are cheap enough to cure.

You'll smile like you never did in the Leon though, that is guaranteed!!

andythejock01wrx

Good post Gaz.

Crispy2

I've just swapped my chipped LCR for a 2003 STi PPP.....see my recent post.

As said before, the power comes in later than on the LCR, but it keeps pulling all the way to the red line. This means that you have to think about your next move a second or two earlier than in the LCR, but if you time it right, you'll be rewarded with all the power you could ever (realistically) need.

The ride is ok. It's a bit choppy at times, and i've found that mine kind of "bobbles" down the road at low speeds. However, the grip that the car has more than makes up for this......just point it a corner and nail the accelerator.

I'll post a more detailed review/comparison in a few weeks time as i'll have had chance to do a few more miles.

corradoboy

WRX PPP is a better drivers car. Spend the difference on AST and Whiteline suspension and chassis improvements and you will keep up with STi's all day and be fresh as a daisy when you get out. STi's leave me knackered after 20 minutes.

Russellg911

Hey thanks for all the great replies.

I sensed that the Impreza would have quite a different feel to my Leon and all the above comments pretty much reinforce that....not strictly in a bad way though. Before my Leon I had a Civic Type-R so I guess the Scooby falls somewhere between the two in terms of where the power comes in....I have to say that after having a turbo it's hard to go back to N/A, so the Sti seemed like the logical step forward

Sadly the one I was planning to test drive tomorrow has been sold but I shall keep looking. In the meantime I'd like to say thanks to all of you for taking the time to reply.

Thank you
Russ

corradoboy

Nice chap

GazTheHat

Best to go to a few dealers now then, take out a WRX and STi. That way you'll know which one you want and will help when shopping.

Also get a few insurance quotes (check out the insurance section: APlan K.Michaels etc), as the difference might make your mind up.

OT:
I recently drove a LCR, ICR and FvRS. Ended up getting the FvRS, but the LCR was nice, much better than the ICR. If i would've needed a bigger car, instead of a run-around, then the LCR might've won.

MattW

Subjective though, I prefer the Sti.

GazTheHat

Subjective, and possibly true. But that takes into the account one can afford the modifications, plus the extra on the insurance. Plus if you spent the same on the STi, it would still be in front.

pippyrips

JDM STI's are civil when needed - i use mine everyday to drive to work in the city - no probs at all. Can be savage when you want though UK ones won't be far from this

Murphs

Buy a WR1

Great handling, loadsa power, rare, lots of scope for development / modding.

Nicer internal and external colour's but I am biased.

I use my daily and commute 35 miles each way, still get 280 - 300 MPT too!

Cheaper to insure too than a STI with PPP.

bob r

iTrader: (46)

great to drive

bluepolarbear

Agreed

Drive UK STI everyday, a roads, b - roads, motorways, done cross european trips. The car is noisy but not deafening, It is not the most comfortable but you can happily spend several hours behind the wheel.

Before the STI had an WRX and it makes sod all difference on how you feel after several hundred miles.

If you want to drive in an armchair buy a diesel.

bpm1588

have to agree m8,i dont see that much in the two apart from the 5 speed box that makes the wrx a little more relaxed.

the sti is a more focused car yes but nothing a petrolhead would worry about,much better car IMHO

Russellg911

Wow tremendous responses

Thank you all very much. I'm going to look at a WRX PPP tomorrow with the intention of a test drive so I will give a full report

Just a query - would a regular WRX PPP still have the nice exhaust 'rumble'...not like anything loud, just that burble that scooby's are known for?

Russ

corradoboy

Yes

paulwrxboro

yes mate it will and its hard to let go....you will find yourself driving round with no radio on just listening to it

Russellg911

Sooooooo.........who wants to buy my 54 plate LCR?

john banks

If you want throttle response, little lag and effortless pull you should try an engine without a long exhaust manifold that feeds a single scroll turbo that is undersized but still produces a poor power band.

In other words, go right past the 2.0 UK Scooby with its weedy but laggy turbo and get either a JDM twin scroll or 2.5, or try an Evo. Latter has stronger engine, less lag, lower RPM boost onset, better top end, better throttle response and a stock turbo and intercooler that are streets ahead. The gearing is far more sensibly spaced, and it doesn't need chassis mods out the box to be right. With an exhaust and remap you can be at 400 BHP quite easily. Just an idea

scooby222

had two classic imprezas and the response in them was great, loads of pull in any gear. ive now got an 05 sti ppp and the lag below 2700rpm is annoying but ive got used to it,you just have to plan overtaking to allow for changing down. on the other hand i positively love working it up and down the box on a cross country charge. but if you want instant response at low revs id look at a wrx ppp, 2.5 wrx or sti or jdm sti with twin scroll.
the sti is a much more physical and challenging car to drive really hard and get the best out of but for my part i ferkin love it

Russellg911

Well bit of an update lol

I went to see a WRX/PPP 52 plate at my local Subaru dealer (Quenbys in Baldock)...was hoping to be taken out in it and maybe have a go but...there was only one salesman in so all I was able to do was sit in Turned the ignition though and she sound good - the throttle and gearbox didn't feel as supple as my Leon which I was pretty much expecting...that probably comes down to the taste of the individual I suppose..

Might be popping back in the week for a full on test.

Maz

iTrader: (34)

But is very synthetic and devoid of any character eh John.

wrc350+

even more so if its got nearly 500bhp