EddScott

I have a UK turbo with the usual mild mods (TEK, Exhaust etc) and I'm well aware that its no match for an EVO6. However, over the weekend I bit after being sucked in by an EVO 6 driver and before the cries of "What did you expect" you can guess the outcome.

The thing is, the EVO drove around the outside of me on a roundabout and then managed to weave through a few other cars in the process. Now theres no way my Impreza would have been able to cope with that and it would have just understeered into the curb or another car. Although looking rather like an accident waiting to happen it just showed that the EVO has quite apparent handling abilities more advanced than my UK car. I don't beleive UK cars to be the poor relation but I'm now thinking about a change.

I could throw a couple of grand at my UK scoob and improve power/handling or just sell it and either buy an STI V5/6 or an EVO 5/6.

I appreciate that asking if I should buy an EVO on scoobynet might be a bit daft but I could do with genuine opinions on which would be the better alternative to thowing more money at my current scoob.

Just a little disillusioned right now

scoobydood

Drivers skill (bravery/stupidity?) counts for a lot more than a few mods when it comes to the bends....

Mitchy260

I'd change and either go for the Type R or Evo 6.

Probably the Evo 6 as the classic impreza is now a chav symbol and is very common

scoobydood

STi Wagon... Chavs worst nightmare!
Easy to get 330/300 out of them....

The Incredible Hulk

Edd,

Even in the land of EVO the VI is deemed pretty special so you certainly decided to have a tango with one of the best! Before being 'sucked-in' completely a couple of things are worth considering;

• how much of that incident was down to the driver ability - not having a pop, but it might be worth investing in some specific training as you will almost certainly be surprised at the improvements. It won't cure unwanted understeer, but you'll hopefully gain an insight into what actions your are doing that bring it on.
• possibly he had less scruples in attempting such driving in a public environment and your natural instincts thought I ain't taking that chance. I remember a nutter in a bog standard Sunbeam (yes I'm that old) determined to nail me at a roundabout in my old XR2 - he did lead onto the roundabout but he took the second exit because it suited his terminal understeer that had set in!
• What happens when you buy an EVO and a Skyline overtakes you on the outside?

Edd there is always something better (depending on your understanding of better) round the next corner, just remember there are plenty of others who've watched you go past them and said the same thing your are now stating about the EVO!

Don't get down hearted, get booked in for some driver training!

Kevin

P.S. Don't be offended by the training, I know I would benefit!

scoobydood

It was not that long ago I had a run in with a newish M5 on a 5 mile stretch of twistys. Every bend I pulled away from him and on the straights he would catch up and I would leave him again in the next bend..... Is it because my Scooby is better than his M5 through the bends... No way! Is it because I am a better driver? Who knows. Is it because I am braver/more stupid than him... Yes probably.

The Evo 6 is a fantastic car but I suspect it will cost you quite a bit to upgrade. Is it really worth it? If it is going to make you drive like an idiot on public roads then I recommend you don't do it.

New_scooby_04

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Another hugely important factor not considered here: Do your upgrades extend to the suspension? Power upgrades make little difference in the bends. An Evo 6 is MUCH harsher than a relatively soft classic -better cornering, but much worse ride. If you'd upgraded your classics suspension, you'd notice less difference.

NS04

Jay m A

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I'd say if you have the funds, go for the EVO. Even if you go back to a scoob later on at least you actually tried both types.

ARM-Scooby

there was an article in the SIDC magazine a while back on hill climbing. The author said that everyone was going flat out in their imprezas, say 60 through bends! Then the instructor had a go in a 2 wheel drive cavalier and went through at 80!

I had a tangle with a 22B 2 weeks ago. Me in my04 standard sti (just springs and toyos on it). We were in an area that had dual carriage ways with roundabouts in between, on the straights he was that close i could see there was 3 in the car with one (no belt on) in the middle, i couldnt have said if his lights were on as it was that close, but come the roundabout i let the back end do its thing and i left him big time, hit the straight and he was on me, went round and round for a while until he gave up! Sure he could have easily gone past on the straight but i think he wanted to have a go on a roundabout. I have been on some driver training and think its down to that as i dont have a fear of being sideways.

LIDDO

I'd say keep ya car, save the cash, and let the Evo driver kill himself if he wants to, or someone else for that matter! Don't get me wrong, Im no saint behind the wheel, but pushing a Scoob\Evo to its limits on the public round take some thrashing, and it only takes one crap driver, and I mean the old duffer, or new green L plate driver who's not aware of whats going on around them, and someones gonna get REALLY hurt! (I'll get down off me soap box, and put away the suckable eggs )

kris55

U have to remeber as well you wasnt in the right spot either to do what he did
And its not the car that lets people do this a big part as Scoobydood said is (bravery/stupidity?) and luck as well I had a mate that could ride bikes and drive cars like you wouldnt beleive and he really could
If you gave him a Mk2 Escort there wasnt many people he couldnt beat on the right roads its all to do with how much you will push yourself and then bravery/stupidity will also play a part in the sum

BillyBong

Personally going from a 4door STI4 to an Evo 7 (both standard suspension wise as they were new) I think the Evo gives you a lot more confidence in the bends, it just feels so much more able. That is probably the main difference between the 2. As is always mentioned servicing is more frequent but I used to get 18MPG out of my STI and I get 25 easily from the 7 I guess because its got much more torque (260 vs 330LB/FT). The Scoob was much comfier but I found the brakes **** poor, I cracked the discs in 10K miles. Off the line the Scoob was a lot easier to get moving and I would say faster a fair bit faster to 60 but slower from then on (my Evo has 320BHP, my Scooby had 280 ish). I don't like the Evo clutch at all but the gearbox is a lot better than my Scoob was. Mine was decated so I think you would miss the exhaust note every single time you drive the Evo though, I know I do. The Evo is a fantastic car and better in most ways I think but I loved my Scooby more , it was great fun.

PS most people would agree that a 6 looks more ruff tuff and dangerous than a 7 but most would also agree a stock 7 will out handle and brake a stock 6. Also a 6 now has a similair chav rep to the classic Impreza.

chris dt

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ok then!evo 6 or type r v5??

wrexxx

I have a classic sti with Gab suspension kit and believe me when I say the thing would outstick a std Evo suspension anyday and yes I have met a few on the way back from Santa pod, virtualy no body roll you can swing it here there and everywhere and it feels so safe and solid (not that I do) ...But the ride quality is compromised :-( ...Evo is nice but you will miss the unique burbling sound of the scoobs..

GC8

Ive seen a 'Sport' driven round the outside of countless 'WRXs' and 'UK AWDs' on track; perhaps the turbo drivers considered buying a 'Sport'? Geometry; tyres and most importantly, talent make a huge difference.

Simon

New_scooby_04

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This is the key trade off in suspension: comfort vs. performance. Evo v. hard but corners exceptionally well. Scooby, handles the bumps much better, but not as good in the corners as std. For UK roads, I would argue that the Scooby is the better resolved car. With either car, you can always mod to your liking!

NS04

BillyBong

I *believe* the Type R lacks ABS and personally that would give me a problem on wet & bumpy b roads. I have heard, though have no first hand experience, that the standard Type R had less friendly handling than the saloon, bit more snappy. So if you can live with the more frequent servicing and attention you will get go for the Evo 6, its a change and like someone else said you will have tried both "sides". A TME would be ideal

If people are comparing cars handling shouldn't we stick to standard Scoobs and standard Evos suspension wise. Evos can be upgraded to ya know. Ohlins mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Again personally the standard Evo suspension is only too hard when you are going slowly, at speed (50+) on B roads the control is fantastic. Bumps, mid corner or otherwise have not been a problem. A suspicouly quick Saab was right behind me a while back, right up until the road narrowed and the corners arrived

Nod to talent making the biggest difference. Wish I had some .

chrisp

You are right, like for like, uk turbos are fully european type approved, where as the evo 6 needs to be sva-ed like type r/ra.

STI/JDM suspension is a lot harder and some RA's come with abs

Gridlock Mikey

Hiya Chris, still got that tatty RA Should get together over spring and have a quick half

chrisp

LOL yep cant bring myself to sell it, its an import so worth about 59p.

Must get together mate for a chat, its been a while.

Gridlock Mikey

CORNER

Sorry wrong thread

EddScott

Okay, so we've decided what I'm mostly lacking is talent!?

I would have to say its quite true, however irrespective of the car I was driving I doubt I would have risked the weaving through traffic said EVO performed.

Anyway, for now I'll stick to my current car and see if my local track (Pembrey) has some driving courses available. A mate did say to me the first modification I should make is get some decent track days/lessons and see what improvements me and the car could do with.

Ah well, moral if the story is "Don't bite" in the first place.

GC8

Tyres and suspension geometry will make a massive difference, as well as talent.....

Simon

New_scooby_04

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Not necessarily, you may have just been lacking stupidity- no bad thing. Sounds like the Evo was taking risks with other road users who wanted no part of any contest to me!

Doesn't matter how capable the car and driver are, sooner or later you answer to Sir Isac Newton.....And he always wins!!! Best to save that kind of behaviour for the track!

Regards,

NS04

minor_threat

Not strictly true about the SVA. The later Evo VI's (including Tommy Makinen editions) onwards were imported by Ralliart and classed as UK cars, not grey imports. Although obviously there are those that have been imported directly and not sold through Ralliart.

BillyBong

Anyone can drive like a *** end can't they. U said u wouldn't take the risks the ***** in the Evo (blimey I hope it wasn't me !) did and that is a good thing for you and every other road user. Tuition to improve driving skills is something pretty much everyone could do with a bit (or a lot) more of and will more than likely make you a more sensible but talented driver rather than a wheel warrior I would think.

chrisp

They may have been sold through Ralliart and have a uk warranty, but for them to be euro type approved they have to pass euro regulations including crash testing, emissions etc.

I maybe wrong but the only fully euro type approved evo is the new 260.

Is this correct ?

chrisp

Good article about the evo 260 here

http://www.channel4.com/4car/road-te...60-2599-2.html

EXSCOOBY

you are all missing the obvious choice............
buy a golf gt tdi whistle past whilst conserving fuel, smoking a pipe and warming the slippers.........

T.J

Assuming equal drivers a std scooby classic ? will be no match for an EVO 6, after all it cost ten grand more out of the box. Equally a standard EVO7/8 will out handle a standard EVO 6 although straight line performance would be hair splitting

Having moved from a classic scooby with similar mods to you (+ the Powerstation handling mod ) to an EVO8 it would be no contest , EVO every time. Even with my limited skills i find I can drive the EVO quicker than the scooby with less fuss. I still think the scooby is a great car, one of the best cars of the 90's. An EVO more expensive ?..yes for Insurance/tyre wear/pad wear/if > 10K miles per year add servicing as well. Not much in it with regard to petrol.

If funds are a problem (ie new scooby/evo) invest in driver training such as HPC or Don Palmer? and get satisfaction that way...probably the most satisfying of all!

TJ

TJ