TVR Gary

There is a whole lot of talk on here about the classic being a much quicker car than the new age stuff.

Give me an idea of comparisons between a stock classic 220BHP and a WRX classic and then a new age WRX and a new age STI. I have just picked up me STI8 with approx 300BHP and it feels pretty usefull to me. The way you guys go on a stock classic would blow my doors off. What is the reality? Is the classic that much quicker?
What kind of 1/4 miles do they do as standard?

LG John

No standard classic would blow the doors of a 300bhp STI 8. A classic UK turbo with 215bhp is a little quicker than a 215bhp WRX UK turbo. Similarly my car, classic UK turbo with around 275bhp would probably stay there or there abouts with yours in a straight line.

Hope that helps

TVR Gary

Cheers Saxo boy,

Was kinda getting a bit sad and lonely thinking me car was slow for a while. Although it certainly dont feel slow.

I take it the main diff in classic and new age is weight?

Scooby Snacks 23

The imported classic WRX's should keep up with an STi8 in a straight line, although I must admit, I've never been head to head with one!

TVR Gary

I have been in a classic WRX and i must admit it did feel bloody quick but that was a couple of months ago. Mine is in for its 1000 mile service Friday then i can play properly with it.

Right time for me to go pick her up from the window tinting people. Back on here in an hour. I hope it looks good

TVR Gary

got me car back with its new 35% tints and i am well chuffed

Adam M

same power but about 200kg less weight. Thats about a sixth,

if you work out the pwr you can see why it would be significantly quicker with the same power

TVR Gary

I must admit 200KG is alot of weight difference. My old 172 clio was superseeded with the Cup and that was only about 80KG lighter but supposedly quite a bit quicker. Mind you i have to say i kinda like the STI8 styling, dont slate me i have to say that coz i got one ....haha

chrisp

My classic MY00 WRX out of the box :

276 bhp
kerb weight 1240kgs
group N spec gearbox ratios

0-60 just under 4.5
0-100 ~12 seconds

TVR Gary

Chrisp ..........

ok mate i take your word for it, that is pretty quick. No actually that is bloody quick.

slacker

my standard sti 8

standard 276bhp/6000rpm
torque: 40.2kgm/4000rpm
kerb weight: 1440kg

0-60 mph in about 12 seconds
0-100 mph not yet

...takin' it nice and easy

LG John

Similarly my UK99 with mods to about 275 bhp recently was tested at 4.5 to 60 and about 12.5 to 100 (derived from 13.3 1/4m @ 108mph)

You can see what not lugging an extra 200kg can do

SlowBoy

iTrader: (1)

If you like the looks of the STi8, but prefer the weight advantage of the classic, then check out the STi Spec C

Now that looks interesting. 322bhp, 325lb ft at 3750, and minus 170kg. Looks like a lot of fun for £27.5k

TVR Gary

To be honest the 0-60 time is pretty irrelevant I think. The more important stuff is that overtaking grunt in second, third and fourth. How you guys time your 0-60's I dont know. How many cluthes do you go through per 1000 miles?

yoza

The classic 2000turbo,and the WRX are certainly faster than the bugeye WRX.

I know because my mates had the above mentioned cars in standard spec,and I thought I was outdoing them by buying a bugeye WRX.

I kept it quite then just turned up in my car,after all the "ooh I like that" and "err I dont like this"...we went for a drive,how disapointed was I.

We actually thought there was something wrong with my car,not enough boost,or as the Fridge said "youve bought a sport you to55er".

Thankfully they have both sold their cars now,one drives a 330ci,and the other a 20vFiat coupe'.

Later Yoza

TVR Gary

Guess I will only find out for sure the first time i have a play with a classic. I will just make sure it aint a monster BHP'er before i do..haha

LG John

Yoza was the difference really noticeable enough for you to be dissapointed

Not sure how to tell you this but a 20vt will totally murder a bugeye above 40mph! Bugeye 60-100 time is about 10.5 and the Fiat is 8.5

TVR Gary

Just been looking at the specs and I should imagine the 280BHP classics will be a fair bit quicker than a 300 horse new age STI due to the extra weight the new age carries. Still it will be fun to try and catch one. Roll on tomorrow when me 1000 mile service is done. :-)

chris singleton

People read far too much into times quoted for 0-60, 60-100, 0-100 etc.

If you're on a track, doing 1/4 miles, etc then fine, but on the road where most people drive these cars it means very little. A lot is made of the extra weight a bug eye carries and again it means very little on the road.

I've come up against all different types of scoobs and had a quick play with most i.e flooring it through the gears and nothing has murdered me in fact I stuck to most when following (similarly I didn't pull away when I was in front).

I certainly didn't put any sort of distance between myself and a bug eye (in my old MY96 with a full decat) and similarly nothing has left me for dead in my MY01 WRX PPP, especially after the decat has been added.

Just my 2 pence worth and all IMHO of course

Chris

MattPiece

OK, continuing the thread, what's the order of speed here:

STI V, Wagon (full decat system) or
P1 or
STI 03, PPP

Answers????

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Josh L

I don't know about that order. When I was having my PPP fitted at Warwick I got chatting to a 'suit' who was very excited about the STi8 PPP, and stated that it was the first car they'd done that was quicker than a P1, and I'm certainly not in a position to argue with Prodrive.

What I do know is that my STi does feel quicker than my P1, seems to have much better levels of grip and generally feels more nimble. I would prefer a little less body roll though, and might be pursuaded to put on the Prodrive spings once they're available.

Josh

JohnD

iTrader: (5)

My imaculate 99my with lots of well chosen mods will possibly be going up for sale soon. Keep an eye out if you want a really good classic.
JohnD

chrisp

Might have a play at SPOD this year are there any takers with an STI8 PPP. Mind due may invalidate your warranty .

yoza

In answer to Saxo Boy,
Yes the point to point drive was a mix of fast winding country lanes,a duel carriageway,so lots of acceleration up the gears,and a flat out down the duel carriageway(Before you ask I was living in Germany at the time ).

The two classics were always in front,and gained a max of 15-20 car lengths on the country roads,10 mins drive,and maybe 20-25 on the duel carriageway 4-5 mins drive.
The only time I closed the gap was on braking.

The import WRX was the quickest.

You can put a bit of this failure to the drivers,as I am not the best driver in the world,and both of the other lads are good wheelmen,and they had owned their cars for a while and mine Id had for a day.

But you just know when a car in front is faster than yours,if you get my drift.

Later Yoza

mwp

TVR Gary ... can you post/email some pics of your new 35% windows ... thought about having it done to mine and wasn't sure.

did you have all except front windscreen done ?

thanks, mark.

TVR Gary

MWP,

Sorry mate I havent had any piccies done yet, but if you do a search on here under Tints there are a few threads with similar cars shown. There is a nice STI7 from my region with them on with pics and that is the one which made my mind up.

Yes I had 35% all round except the front windscreen obviously. From the outside they look reasonably dark but from inside the difference is minimal with little or no reduction in vision.

I think they look better now but i guess its a matter of taste.

Cost me £205 by the way, not bad I thought

scooby_jim

I think you will find there is little difference between acceleration times in a MY00 "classic" and a MY02 "bugeye". The classic only feels faster because the power delivery in the MY02 is much smoother, it is a more refined motor that is aimed to appeal to a wider market (some people can't live with that fact!). Even if the styling doesn't appeal to most of the classic owners that are stuck in the past and won't change with the times . This is comparing standard UK cars not imports and is why IMHO most classic owners always try and slate the MY02.

Jim

Hol

iTrader: (1)

As the owner of a modified STI Classic, I would say that I was impressed by the fact that the newer shapes have a wider track. This can only help with cornering potential.

An all things being equal, theres no point having the power, if you cant use it

mwp

thanks gary.

Rasher

Jim,
I don't want to turn this thread into a 'my cars better than your car debate'but the standard UK 'Classic' is alot quicker than the standard MY02 UK WRX fact.(power to weight ratio etc)
I chose the last of the'classics' because I didn't particularly like the styling of the new model, but what I really bothered me was the fact that Subaru had made the new model more 'civilized', as you said to appeal to a wider audience.
I not living in the past is just that at that time I didn't much like the present.
All of the above comments are IMHO and not intended to offend

Nige


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