Deep Singh

This is a quote from the current edition of Autocar.Have I got it wrong or could'nt a STi/Evo5-6 match the figures of 0-60;4.5ish and 0-100 11ish.If so is'nt it about time the motoring press were held responsible for their comments.

Chins

Deep

It really depends in what context the comments were made.

On performance an EVO VI and P1/STIV will be about the same to 60 as the M3, but their 0-100 is about 12.5 secs vs 11.0 sec for the M3. After that the M3 will drive away from them in std form. Both the EVO and STI/P1 max out at 155mph. The M3 will go beyond this if the limiter is removed.

As a drivers car. In the hands of a good driver the statement made by Autocar is also true in the dry. A rear wheel drive car is the way to go.

Jonathan

DazV

Which is one of the reasons I've just bought one. (M3)

Sad to see the scooby go though - will miss 4x4. Whoever gets my car will get a real bargain - a fully loaded MY00 in mint condition.

-DV

PS: And without the limiter, the car will show 177mph @ 7900rpm - thats the old version - not sure what the new one does.

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Fosters

The m3 is actually quicker than quoted figures, by about a second to 100. Some bright spark in munich decided that quoting the accurate figures wasn't a good idea

Chris L

Loaded statement to be honest. It has less to do with the cars ability and more to do with driver skill. At Nurburg, I watched one of the locals in a Golf GTi pass a new M3 with what looked like considerable ease - read into that what you like, but it does sound like Autocar just stiring things up a little.

Chris

Neil Smalley

There's 10K price difference between an M3 and an Evo/Scoob. IMHO It puts the M3 in a different price band and so you can't really compare like with like.

If you have 38K to blow on a car, the M3 would be #1 on a lot of people's list. For those with 'only' 28K the M3 may as well cost 100 grand.

It's easy to get carried away by 0-100 times and handling debates. But for me, the over riding question is how affordable is the car, and 21-28K is a hell of lot more affordable for more people than 38.

Better to compare the Evo/Scoob with the Honda Type R's, Audi S3, Focus RS and the new 30K 350Bhp RWD Rover when it comes out.

If you want to compare the M3 with something, do it for cars in the 38-42K price range. I think you'll find several cars that will leave the M3 for dead.

GaryC

Having briefly driven, and had a long stint as passenger in a 'well-driven' new M3, it is ferociously quick in a straight line, and I would doubt the Sti/P1/Evo could keep up in anything other than an 'off the mark' test. Once on the move it is incredible how quick it is Even in the twisites (in the dry ) its grip was formidable, and the traction control was never 'employed'. A-B I would doubt anything would have the edge (except perhaps the 911 turbo and R500 et. al. nutter machines ). Obviously in the wet it becomes a completely different proposition

WAYSIDERS

Oh, who gives a ****?

Anyone out there who thinks it really matters how FAST these cars are on public roads should go to the recent thread on nasty pictures, find the site, look carefully, feel sick and think carefully what it's all about.

On the other hand, I suppose it seems more important when we have a pint in hand and nothing to do but talk b0110cks.

Anyway, my typeR is quicker to 30 than any M3 if I want to **** the clutch. What does that prove?

CraigH

Neil,

what cars exactly for between 38 and 42k, leave the new M3 for dead?

DominicA

TVR in a straight line???

robski

Not even a WRC scoob or EVO.

God the M3 must be fast then.

Still driven by tossers 99.5% of the time.
(thats 0.5% higher than a normal BM by the way ! )

robski

Neil Smalley

Tuned Evo 7 extreme at 38K. RS500, most TVR's, second hand 911's/Ferrari's, Holden GT thingy, New Skyline, Clio 172

I'm not saying that M3 is poor value for money BTW. Just that you can't compare it to cars costing 10 grand less.

MorayMackenzie

My 1988 e30 m3 recently kept up with a P1 that had just filled up on standard unleaded on traffic free open dual carriageway and roundabouts... yes he did put his foot down and yes I was a little suprised.

On reflection, the P1 has not much extra horsepower (especially when retarded on standard unleaded), similar aerodynamics(possibly worse), more weight and more drivetrain losses than the e30 m3.

If it had been wet, there would be no contest, 4wd everytime.

However, I shouldn't even think of comparing these two... the BMW is ~7K GBP, the P1 is ~30K GBP... that makes the BMW ~23K GBP cheaper than the P1, although I don't get a three year warrantee with it. ho hum.

Moray

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GranTurismo

Hmmm,

This years Mclaren F1 car is quicker than a M3 and I cant afford one of those either, so I will stick with the Scooby.

Yes the M3 is quicker, but I love my Scooby. If someone said here have an M3 then the scooby would GO no questions. However if I had the cash I would have a Scooby and and Elise as well.

Greg115

Wait for some winter roads then youll regret you bought an M3 over the scoob.

MorayMackenzie

Unless you own an M3 _and_ a scoob.

Adam M

So what?


Who cares?

argument has been had before.

see arron birds post.

there is always something better. If you like it, buy one and have fun.

I am sticking with my over weight, wide arsed, low powered (even lower torqued) ugly, too much fuel drinking, too loud, dated sti. Which I love!

CraigH

Adam,

At last i'm getting thru to you

Neil,

Porsche and Ferrari? doubt it
R500 - track car
EVO is not std

Most TVRs? - 2 at a push - Cerbera and Tuscan.

Now if you'd said my Scoob was faster, you'd be right of course
So

Neil Smalley

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<B>Adam,

At last i'm getting thru to you

Neil,

Porsche and Ferrari? doubt it
R500 - track car
EVO is not std

Most TVRs? - 2 at a push - Cerbera and Tuscan.

Now if you'd said my Scoob was faster, you'd be right of course
So [/quote]



I thought the criteria was faster cars for 38-42K?? Modded cars were'nt excluded, as were track cars or second hand ones.

matt d

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by MorayMackenzie:
<B>My 1988 e30 m3 recently kept up with a P1 that had just filled up on standard unleaded on traffic free open dual carriageway and roundabouts... yes he did put his foot down and yes I was a little suprised.
[/quote]

How often do we have to hear this "I kept up with car X" comparisons? They are meaningless without knowing the relative skills of the drivers, and how hard they were trying. By chance I happen to own both cars, and the E30 M3 although good would get annihilated in any conditions with equal drivers.

jason b

CHINS, P1/EVO 155MPH MAX EH, HAVE YOU EVER DRIVEN EITHER OF THESE NEAR THAT SPEED BECAUSE YOU ARE TALKING BO*LOCKS MATE THEY GO A LOT QUICKER!!!!!!!!
EVO7 KICKS **** OF AN m3 new or old!!! pound for pound its not even a contest with P1/EVO 5-6-7/STI-V
J

Gary Foster

Much faster than 155mph ????

I find that very hard to believe, my MY98 did 150ish indicated (so probably a lot slower) and was not going any higher, kept that speed for about 2 miles (I have a big driveway), I can't see another 60 ish Bhp Making much difference - 5mph more tops.

Have *you* ever driven either of these cars at this speed ? or are you talking ******** mate.

Gary

spudgun

jason,
silly question, but if an evo7 has a 200 mile
distance fuel tank, and you do 150mph plus for long enough, how long would it last, is it a bit like a rocket, i.e wooooshhhhh, then phut phut oops, better refuel, every 5 minutes
i think i'm talking bollocks now
keep us up to date on the evo7, i still think it looks great

Pob

Oh dear. My cars faster than his, his is faster than yours. What I say is get your car along to a track day. You'll find most M3 drivers won't go anywhere near a track. From personal experience, any M3/ driver combination I have been at track days have been nowhere near as quick as EVO/WRX drivers, I reinforce NOWHERE near. So what I would say to the "mine is faster than yours" mob is, put up or shut up.

CharliePsycho

Indicated speed means nothing...

Having seen the P1 speedo completely at off the (160mph) clock and had the passenger say 154.5 off the GPS I never believe indicated readings.

Comparative driving reviews often mean very little, so much depends on the driver. And to be honest I have met very few hacks who I would get in a car with, let alone trust to give realistic comparative reviews between such different cars back to back.

snipes

yes the m3 may be left for dead by other cars in its price range but in said cars were in an accident i would prefer to be in a relativly fast/very safe car/very comfortable too

if you guys were talking about comparing the sti 7 to m3 isn't that like 30-40 thousand which would be in the m3's price range

astraboy

Can you fit a dump valve to an M3?
Thought not.
My cossie can turn more heads with my Bailey piston job than any M3.
Then of course there's the image.
This is just my opinion, but M3 says "Hey look at me, I'm dead rich, up my own and want to flash it about"
Whereas Cossie and Scoob and Evos say "I am a driver" Nuff said really.
just my opinion.
astraboy.

Andrew O'Hara

AstraBoy,

Why don't you go and ask what Paul Bailey himself drives and also thinks about M3's. You know he could have about the quickest cossie or Escort cossie if he wanted, and remember he makes go faster bits for your cossie's.

Why does everyone slate the new M3, if you can afford to buy a certain car you buy that certain car, and btw it doesn't insinuate that your dead rich and want to flash it about, it means you have worked hard to get where you are and can afford an M3.....Get a life



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ernie

Whats the point of all this?

Everyone knows a Koni equiped cavalier is the fastest, end of story

astraboy

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Andrew O'Hara:
<B>AstraBoy,

Why does everyone slate the new M3, if you can afford to buy a certain car you buy that certain car, and btw it doesn't insinuate that your dead rich and want to flash it about, it means you have worked hard to get where you are and can afford an M3.....Get a life

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I'm not slating it in the least. It is a really nice car. BUT what I am saying is that the people who buy M3s are not looking for a drivers car, but a status symbol.
You said it yourself, "you can afford an M3" Not because you want to rag it everywhere, but to say you can afford an M3. That says to everyone "I am considerably richer than YAW!"
That may appeal to some people, but it dont to me. I buy cars to drive them fast, not to pose about in. If it turns heads then that is a bonus. But that is not the reason I buy it.
People shallow enough to spend 30-40k on a driveway status symbol should get a life. Not me.
BTW, I have a life.... I got a Cossie.
astraboy.