R666ORY

To all, belated festive greetings and all that! Looking at a new/other car. Been looking at the S202, they seem to be appearing thick and fast these days. Have an every day car, Clio 197. Also have a Prodrive Bug, but I'm after a special toy! I had the whole internal debate about non DCCD, pros and cons and I'm pretty set on the S202. My question I'd does anybody know anything about the White S202 at Wynfords with the 2.1L conversation? Any input would be gratefully received. History, previous owners, that sort of thing, the things garages tend not to mention when selling cars!

scoobyboy1

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Not 100% but im pretty sure its Richard Bulmers(tracktive soloutions) old car!! I know he had a nice white S202 years ago!! Im sure someone will be along shortly to confirm if it is or not!!!

R666ORY

Scoobyboy, yeah that would make some sense given the advert content! Hopefully someone can confirm. Looks real nice to me but looks can be deceiving! Again thank you for your thoughts, it's a positive start (if correct) for sure! Fingers crossed ☑️

scoobyboy1

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Well if its Richard Bulmers car then it was owned by one of the best mappers in the game, I had him map a car for me and he did an amazing job I can only imagine what he would do with his own car!!!

ditchmyster

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My problem with it would be that it's no longer an S202 in the truest sense of the name and as far as I'm concerned that's where the value lies in paying £13k over an £8k JDM Bug STI, it's still got the wheels and spoiler but for me it's no better than a modded Bug STI now that it's not original.

If I were after one and going to pay that premium it would need to be as it left the factory.

Just my opinion.

joe v3sti

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DCCD is a must

ZANY

+1^^^ just like the spec c, wr1, rb320 etc etc should be left as they are to maintain there value otherwise no difference between them and the modded ones

Uncle Creepy

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53

iTrader: (41)

Cheap at that money tbh, you couldn't import one as nice for much less and by the time you had registered mapped and serviced it, similar money.

R666ORY

It's horses for courses. It is still an S202 if not in it's purest form. There's not many limiteds that truly get left standard. Is it a case of enhancing or degrading? As mentioned pros and cons, but one mans pro is another mans con.

Yellow R

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It's a clean car the same one KAS35RSTI used to own on here a good few years back.

ditchmyster

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I'd say the reason it's not sold for so long is the price and the fact it's not original, like I said the value is in it's originality imo, otherwise you're better off buying a modded widetrack for that sort of money.

But again, just my opinion and as stated, horses for courses.

Ash

I would not be paying that money with some of the main parts missing.

The original S202 spoiler is missing
The exhaust also looks to be a Vortex rather than an original titanium s202 one.


Wheels are correct and the interior also looks right - Plaque and steering wheel and the correct surround on the clocks.

All that aside its a very nice clean looking car with a great spec

R666ORY

Pros= it is a true special, given it is missing a few key items. It's a true newage lightweight, the enhancements it has (if all done properly) make it a true weapon.
Cons= it's missing some of its key special items, it's a non DCCD, early 6 speeders can be fragile.

But if you wanted an S202 but wanted to make it subtly better without ruining what it is most people would say up the BHP and possibly use some other specialist STI parts to update it. The missing original parts can still be sourced or actually replaced with even rarer parts.

53

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I just import these days but the price of S202's for a good grade 4 has risen massively in the last 3 years. Yes you can get 'cheap' ones that are RA grade or Grade 3 (c.10k)and below but then you remove the point of importing one over buying in the UK. You need 1.2 million yen minimum now to even contemplate winning a nice one and then expect to pay another 40% getting it here and another 10% putting it right and making it UK friendly.

Even a basic Grade 3.5 1995 V2 STi RA will set you back 7k from the auctions atm, if you can find one !

Despite the vanilla UK cars and their fairly low prices, desirable JDM models are fetching high prices in Japan.

R666ORY

So 53, are you still in an S202? If so do you mind if I ask what other scoops you have been in/owned & how they compare? I'm currently in a V7 Bug Prodrive UK EDN. Knocking out 370+ with similar torque, handling mods etc. I really like the draw of a lighter, more responsive, chuckable scoob but a classic is admin (in my eyes) gear boxes going bang, other fragility concerns would stop me truly enjoying it.

53

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I currently own a modded V2 WRX and V2 STi 555 Wagon and the S202 on top. My last car I broke was also a modded 555 Wagon and I have had other UK newages like Spec D and WRX's

The 202 is like a properly built classic, it's like no other newage especially the lardy MY05 onwards. The quick rack, OEM caster improvements to just tip the iceberg, it's a real handling joy

The 6 Speeds being weak is a misquote imho. Weaker than a later 6 speed, possibly, but weak, no. I have the same gearbox in my classic that you have in your bug and it is fantastic

R666ORY

I think all things being equal the S202 has all the things I'm looking for that my Bug doesn't have. It has all the benefits of a newage without the Lardy drawbacks. Mechanical grip can easily be improved with the right chassis and I think in S202 could be a great starting point for that. It may never replace the abililities of a DCCD but I bet it can get damned close. Most thank you for your input!

plenty

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I have to echo some of the thoughts above...if you are going to buy a modded S202 why not start with a JDM bug instead, go to town on your desired spec, and save £££ in the process. Quick racks are probably the hardest item to source, and even then not hard.

53

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The specific weight reductions and unseen details are impressive on the 202 though

ditchmyster

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Just to put things into perspective.

This.

https://www.scoobynet.com/subaru-444...stal-grey.html

And this.


https://www.scoobynet.com/subaru-444...-new-home.html


At the end of the day £13k is a lot of money for what is essentially a modded impreza, if you're going to pay that sort of money it really needs to be original in every aspect, otherwise you're just paying over the odds for a modded Bug.

R666ORY

Ditch,

Both very nice, but ones high miles and no matter how well looked after will run into problems that I can do without. The other simply is not what I'm looking for. As perverse as it sounds, light, agile yet powerful cars are way more fun than hugely engineered monsters. My mind is far from made up but I tend to buy and keep rather than own then bin. An S202 is a keeper for sure and in nothing more than my opinion a simple but very affective car. Sure originality would be great but this is to be used not polished. As I originally asked, I was after any background on this particular vehicle which I now have, it all helps get it right first time if that's the road I go down. There are some great examples of all versions about at the moment, it's just what ticks my boxes and what does not. I would (sadly) never buy a hawk JDM, purely my choice, I'm sure they are fantastic but when a lightly tuned classic left me for dead I would not be impressed (fire extinguishers at the ready, flame suit on). Each car has its merits and at one point the S202 had them all!!!!!

ae82mad

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Anyone?