Underwhelmed by the M3
15 April 2015, 09:33 PM
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Underwhelmed by the M3
Today, I test drove a 2010 M3 Saloon. An overview of the spec: Manual, 4.0L V8, 414 bhp, 295 lb/ft, non-turbo. Even though I enjoyed driving it, I have to say, I was left a little underwhelmed by the experience. Sure, it was a nice car, the V8 sound was good, the build quality was solid (much better than my Impreza, but that’s not saying much), some of the gadgets were cool, and the interior was obviously a pleasant place to be. But, in my head, I kept asking myself ‘Is this a £28,000 car?’. Inevitably, I also kept comparing the drive to that of my Impreza.
In terms of delivery, the major difference was that obviously the power of the M3 came instantly, being a non-turbo. But in terms of acceleration off-the-line and through the gears and full rev range, there really wasn’t – well at least there certainly didn’t seem to be – any noticeable difference at all, which I found very surprising considering the bhp discrepancy... although my Impreza does just pip it for torque. Round corners, the M3 did handle well and felt planted, but again, not vastly – if at all – better than my WRX.
I’ve always read that the M3 is the ultimate driver’s car. But if you read through what I’ve written above, I’ve used the adjectives ‘nice’, ‘good’, ‘solid’, ‘cool’, ‘pleasant’, ‘well’, and ‘planted’ to describe it – hardly words I’d associate with the ‘ultimate driving machine’. Moreover, if I were/am to pay circa £30k for a car, I’d want my mind to be blown by its performance. Considering the value of the M3 is approximately four times that of my WRX, I don’t know how I’d justify paying such a huge premium for essentially a more solid car with a more luxurious cabin and more toys.
Am I deluded? Despite a 300kg weight advantage, is it conceivable that my not-very-heavily-modded WRX could hang with a 414 bhp M3? Am I simply placing too much emphasis on straight-line performance alone in my assessment of the M3 and ignoring other key points? Maybe it has to be driven more extensively than a half-hour test drive on normal roads to really appreciate its true capabilities!? Maybe I’ve missed something, so I’d welcome comments from anyone else who has driven the same model M3, and would be interested to hear your evaluation of the driving experience.
In terms of delivery, the major difference was that obviously the power of the M3 came instantly, being a non-turbo. But in terms of acceleration off-the-line and through the gears and full rev range, there really wasn’t – well at least there certainly didn’t seem to be – any noticeable difference at all, which I found very surprising considering the bhp discrepancy... although my Impreza does just pip it for torque. Round corners, the M3 did handle well and felt planted, but again, not vastly – if at all – better than my WRX.
I’ve always read that the M3 is the ultimate driver’s car. But if you read through what I’ve written above, I’ve used the adjectives ‘nice’, ‘good’, ‘solid’, ‘cool’, ‘pleasant’, ‘well’, and ‘planted’ to describe it – hardly words I’d associate with the ‘ultimate driving machine’. Moreover, if I were/am to pay circa £30k for a car, I’d want my mind to be blown by its performance. Considering the value of the M3 is approximately four times that of my WRX, I don’t know how I’d justify paying such a huge premium for essentially a more solid car with a more luxurious cabin and more toys.
Am I deluded? Despite a 300kg weight advantage, is it conceivable that my not-very-heavily-modded WRX could hang with a 414 bhp M3? Am I simply placing too much emphasis on straight-line performance alone in my assessment of the M3 and ignoring other key points? Maybe it has to be driven more extensively than a half-hour test drive on normal roads to really appreciate its true capabilities!? Maybe I’ve missed something, so I’d welcome comments from anyone else who has driven the same model M3, and would be interested to hear your evaluation of the driving experience.
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15 April 2015, 09:44 PM
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I had one pull out in front of me and plant his foot down coming off a dual carriageway onto a motorway, White with a carbon roof i remember it well...he saw me coming and tried it on, At no point was he getting away from me and in fact i had to let off to avid getting too close...this was from about 30 to the legal speed limit 
car was a standard-ish Blob Spec-C with exhaust ,panel filter and remap, M3`s are nice motors but they just don`t do it for me, I could have bought one recently but went with the hawk instead.
car was a standard-ish Blob Spec-C with exhaust ,panel filter and remap, M3`s are nice motors but they just don`t do it for me, I could have bought one recently but went with the hawk instead.
15 April 2015, 09:53 PM
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If you like a little luxury and a pose then the M3 is a nice car, personally they have never dome anything for me after the e36 (i think) boxy one designed for the track, all the newer ones are just posers cars to me.
Modded WRX is a decent road tool for very little money, If I had £30k to spend on a car I'd be looking at the A45 AMG, but tbh I probably wouldn't buy one of those either.
Modded WRX is a decent road tool for very little money, If I had £30k to spend on a car I'd be looking at the A45 AMG, but tbh I probably wouldn't buy one of those either.
15 April 2015, 10:26 PM
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Exactly! I know there are other considerations, but I just couldn't help but compare the performance of the two cars and then think how much better bang for buck my modded WRX is. A totally different league price-wise but no real perceivable difference in terms of performance, which is surely the most important thing in a car... or is that just me!?
After reading Shaun's project thread just yesterday, I couldn't help but think of the A45 AMG. Some of the basic spec ones without the aero kit are already advertised for less (just!) than the M3 I looked at today, and with a basic tune, like he has done, 400 bhp+ can be achieved, giving 0-60 times of high 3s, plus it's AWD. That'd destroy the M3!
After reading Shaun's project thread just yesterday, I couldn't help but think of the A45 AMG. Some of the basic spec ones without the aero kit are already advertised for less (just!) than the M3 I looked at today, and with a basic tune, like he has done, 400 bhp+ can be achieved, giving 0-60 times of high 3s, plus it's AWD. That'd destroy the M3!
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15 April 2015, 10:33 PM
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Going from a turbo to N/A makes the power they have deceptive. I had an E46 m3 for a while and that was a ncie car, but just didnt seemed to have the grunt.
15 April 2015, 10:47 PM
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Round some proper twisty Welsh stuff in my NA JDM 1.6 Eunos I had an epic amount of fun. I learnt so much about car control it was incredible.
Power is not everything and big modern mass produced performance cars, crammed full of electronics to make them handle well, takes away all the driving pleasure, the skill required to actually drive and what you must do when things go wrong.
There are not many modern cars I would shell out £30K on but a Caterham Supersport...............well!
Power is not everything and big modern mass produced performance cars, crammed full of electronics to make them handle well, takes away all the driving pleasure, the skill required to actually drive and what you must do when things go wrong.
There are not many modern cars I would shell out £30K on but a Caterham Supersport...............well!
15 April 2015, 10:48 PM
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Depends what you want from a car really. I have had considerably more than £30k to spend as I saw fit, in the end I bought 2 houses and 2 cars, the cars cost £13k and the houses cost £170k so you can see what my priorities are.
If I had to spend it I'd probably spend £10k on my Type R, £5k on my wagon and £5k on a quick boat and leave £10k spare. If I had to spend the lot it would be on something like an old MK1 Escort or 22b that's going up in value.
I just have a problem spunking cash on stuff that loses money, maybe it's because I'm the one that's made it or maybe it's because I have been there and done it and it doesn't make me happy.
If I had to spend it I'd probably spend £10k on my Type R, £5k on my wagon and £5k on a quick boat and leave £10k spare. If I had to spend the lot it would be on something like an old MK1 Escort or 22b that's going up in value.
I just have a problem spunking cash on stuff that loses money, maybe it's because I'm the one that's made it or maybe it's because I have been there and done it and it doesn't make me happy.
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30k to spend you want the new mustang
I have never owned a M3 I had one for a few days and I had an Audi S8 for a week and both cars Were before I got my Subaru and I was honestly under wellemd by both, I mean the S8 has the lambo engine in and sure the speedo flew up the I didn't feel the enjoyment if that makes sense and I was like is this really what 80k feels like?
Same with the M3 I was tired of how rough the roads felt after a day (plenty of speed bumps around where I live) and the power of delivery never wowed me.
I'm definitely a torque guy not a top end person
It's hard to compare when you can get a lot of bang for your book in an Subaru for under 6k, but these cars are ageing now so if you want a new car then the kind of output your used to would be around the 30k mark and there are so many to choose from! Go test drive them all
I have never owned a M3 I had one for a few days and I had an Audi S8 for a week and both cars Were before I got my Subaru and I was honestly under wellemd by both, I mean the S8 has the lambo engine in and sure the speedo flew up the I didn't feel the enjoyment if that makes sense and I was like is this really what 80k feels like?
Same with the M3 I was tired of how rough the roads felt after a day (plenty of speed bumps around where I live) and the power of delivery never wowed me.
I'm definitely a torque guy not a top end person
It's hard to compare when you can get a lot of bang for your book in an Subaru for under 6k, but these cars are ageing now so if you want a new car then the kind of output your used to would be around the 30k mark and there are so many to choose from! Go test drive them all
16 April 2015, 12:27 AM
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Lovely cars those M3s, nice to drive too.
But I recall showing one a clean pair of heels in my Cosworth STI a while back on a dual carriageway.
For £30k you could consider a lot of very nice German machinery, there are good 911s, RS4s, C63s etc for that kind of money out there.
But I recall showing one a clean pair of heels in my Cosworth STI a while back on a dual carriageway.
For £30k you could consider a lot of very nice German machinery, there are good 911s, RS4s, C63s etc for that kind of money out there.
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I used to own a 2005 Blob STI, running 340 bhp and 336 lbs of torque. My car was great in every aspect and never let me down in the three years I owned it. The handling was excellent and the power delivery was very good.
I now drive a 2005 Porsche 997 Carrera S, which I bought for £19,000 and it beats the Scooby in every aspect. The handling is razor sharp, the power is instant and only gets better as the revs go up. Once you take it over 5,000 rpm the engine note changes and the gear changes feel like your in a proper race car.
I now drive a 2005 Porsche 997 Carrera S, which I bought for £19,000 and it beats the Scooby in every aspect. The handling is razor sharp, the power is instant and only gets better as the revs go up. Once you take it over 5,000 rpm the engine note changes and the gear changes feel like your in a proper race car.
16 April 2015, 08:24 AM
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You should go back and drive it in a spirited fashion in the wet !
Four wheel drive all the way - all the power down all the time.
It narks me about the car mags that go on an on about adjustable rear wheel drive handling. I work near Mercedes where they pull out onto a 60mph road from a stop. The number of times I've been the next car in line and see and hear the wheelspin and traction control...
Four wheel drive all the way - all the power down all the time.
It narks me about the car mags that go on an on about adjustable rear wheel drive handling. I work near Mercedes where they pull out onto a 60mph road from a stop. The number of times I've been the next car in line and see and hear the wheelspin and traction control...
16 April 2015, 09:16 AM
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You should go back and drive it in a spirited fashion in the wet !
Four wheel drive all the way - all the power down all the time.
It narks me about the car mags that go on an on about adjustable rear wheel drive handling. I work near Mercedes where they pull out onto a 60mph road from a stop. The number of times I've been the next car in line and see and hear the wheelspin and traction control...
Four wheel drive all the way - all the power down all the time.
It narks me about the car mags that go on an on about adjustable rear wheel drive handling. I work near Mercedes where they pull out onto a 60mph road from a stop. The number of times I've been the next car in line and see and hear the wheelspin and traction control...
16 April 2015, 10:24 AM
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If you drove the M3 like an Impreza then it's not surprising you were underwhelmed.
The S65 V8 does its best work at 6k+ rpm - it comes alive at just about the point where an average UK Impreza runs out of puff. If you're used to riding the mid-range torque of turbocharged cars then you need to recalibrate your driving to get the best out of these cars.
The S65 V8 does its best work at 6k+ rpm - it comes alive at just about the point where an average UK Impreza runs out of puff. If you're used to riding the mid-range torque of turbocharged cars then you need to recalibrate your driving to get the best out of these cars.
16 April 2015, 11:59 AM
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The basic principle is power to weight, its as simple as that.
Build quality comes at a price, usually in KG.
Its always been the same with the newage vs classics argument.
Newer cars are prone for being 1500kg+ , it doesnt take much to get more thrills from a 10 year old car these days.
If I had to go out and replace my type r for a new car tomorrow I literally have no idea what i'd buy
Build quality comes at a price, usually in KG.
Its always been the same with the newage vs classics argument.
Newer cars are prone for being 1500kg+ , it doesnt take much to get more thrills from a 10 year old car these days.
If I had to go out and replace my type r for a new car tomorrow I literally have no idea what i'd buy
16 April 2015, 12:34 PM
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Never drove an M3, but i drove the 335i with mild tuning and, it was according to the owner, near the power of an M3, ofcourse that doesn't make it an M3 but still the 335i is like an M3 lite, right?
Didn't like it, i want a performance car to feel like one. Modern BMW's just are so comfortable, you only know you're going fast because the needle says so. I didn't feel anything in the car. That is great if it's a daily drive, but as a fun/trackday car, this is not what i want.
My impreza (gc8) on the other hand, is loud, hard, it FEELS fast, it's fun! and it costs a lot less then a BMW/Audi/Merc., even with mods.
I keep reading these reviews of the MY15 STI where they compare it to an Audi or BMW and it always ends the same way - the STI is not refined enough compared to the BMW/Audi. Well, in my book that is a good thing (and i'm thinking the MY15 is already too refined).
Didn't like it, i want a performance car to feel like one. Modern BMW's just are so comfortable, you only know you're going fast because the needle says so. I didn't feel anything in the car. That is great if it's a daily drive, but as a fun/trackday car, this is not what i want.
My impreza (gc8) on the other hand, is loud, hard, it FEELS fast, it's fun! and it costs a lot less then a BMW/Audi/Merc., even with mods.
I keep reading these reviews of the MY15 STI where they compare it to an Audi or BMW and it always ends the same way - the STI is not refined enough compared to the BMW/Audi. Well, in my book that is a good thing (and i'm thinking the MY15 is already too refined).
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I took a 4 Series for a test drive when I first started looking for a new car, it was a really nice car and shifted pretty well but the moment I realized I wanted something different was when I pulled up at the lights. While the salesman rattled through his usual spiel I glanced over at the car on the right, it was a BMW. I then looked past the salesman who was in his own little world and noticed that the car to my left was also a BMW. I then looked in the rear view mirror and sure enough there were a couple more behind me, all different but oddly...all the same. It was like attack of the clones which why I settled on my 07 Hawkeye WRX. It stands out a bit more...for better or worse!
16 April 2015, 03:33 PM
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I now drive a 2005 Porsche 997 Carrera S, which I bought for £19,000 and it beats the Scooby in every aspect. The handling is razor sharp, the power is instant and only gets better as the revs go up. Once you take it over 5,000 rpm the engine note changes and the gear changes feel like your in a proper race car.
Having looked at them recently everything under £20K is either a Cat D or been molested in some way.
16 April 2015, 04:54 PM
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Having owned multiple scoobs and m3's, currently an E92 M3 DCT, i'll just say the following.
1. On a test drive, you're never going to get anywhere close to the limit in terms of handling, so you havent in any way even begun to experience what the M3 does. It took me a good 6 months to build up the confidence and get to know the car to push the envelope and without any shadow of a doubt, the M3 is a phenominally good handling car. And yes, much better than a scoob unless it's had a shed load of money spent on it.
2. Everyone gets caught up in the whole "it's an M3" - "it must be super fast" - it's not about that, yes it's quick, mine is low 4s to 60 with the DCT, hardly a slouch, but it's not about that for me. It's about that big V8, the noise, the handling, it's an experience, a V8 singing at 9k rpm is something else compared to a 4 pot turbo.
3. Yes it has 414bhp, but its also a big car, so of course its power to weight is going to make it suffer in comparison to the scoob.
To be fair, i just chopped in the JDM Hawk at 360bhp and in 1st, quick, 2nd, quick - 3rd and on, ****e. Absolutely ****e.
M3, 1st, quick, 2nd, quick, 3rd, quick, 4th, quick... you get the picture.
They're completely different cars, i'd take the M3 any day of the week, and if you're constantly racing M3's and "showing them a clean set of heels" you really just look like a tosser in a chav mobile.
Each to their own though!
Are you "deluded" in thinking that your "heavily modded wrx" can hang with an M3? No, absolutely not. But, heavily modify anything and it can "hang" with an m3, heavily modify an M3 and it can hang with lambos.
It's just a ridiculous on-going cycle of "my heavily modded car" MIGHT be as quick as a standard car. Who cares?
Buy what you want, drive what you want, and stop comparing dick sizes. You still drive a chav mobile, and i still drive car thats seen as driven by *****. Doesnt bother me and shouldnt bother you.
1. On a test drive, you're never going to get anywhere close to the limit in terms of handling, so you havent in any way even begun to experience what the M3 does. It took me a good 6 months to build up the confidence and get to know the car to push the envelope and without any shadow of a doubt, the M3 is a phenominally good handling car. And yes, much better than a scoob unless it's had a shed load of money spent on it.
2. Everyone gets caught up in the whole "it's an M3" - "it must be super fast" - it's not about that, yes it's quick, mine is low 4s to 60 with the DCT, hardly a slouch, but it's not about that for me. It's about that big V8, the noise, the handling, it's an experience, a V8 singing at 9k rpm is something else compared to a 4 pot turbo.
3. Yes it has 414bhp, but its also a big car, so of course its power to weight is going to make it suffer in comparison to the scoob.
To be fair, i just chopped in the JDM Hawk at 360bhp and in 1st, quick, 2nd, quick - 3rd and on, ****e. Absolutely ****e.
M3, 1st, quick, 2nd, quick, 3rd, quick, 4th, quick... you get the picture.
They're completely different cars, i'd take the M3 any day of the week, and if you're constantly racing M3's and "showing them a clean set of heels" you really just look like a tosser in a chav mobile.
Each to their own though!
Are you "deluded" in thinking that your "heavily modded wrx" can hang with an M3? No, absolutely not. But, heavily modify anything and it can "hang" with an m3, heavily modify an M3 and it can hang with lambos.
It's just a ridiculous on-going cycle of "my heavily modded car" MIGHT be as quick as a standard car. Who cares?
Buy what you want, drive what you want, and stop comparing dick sizes. You still drive a chav mobile, and i still drive car thats seen as driven by *****. Doesnt bother me and shouldnt bother you.
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Having owned multiple scoobs and m3's, currently an E92 M3 DCT, i'll just say the following.
1. On a test drive, you're never going to get anywhere close to the limit in terms of handling, so you havent in any way even begun to experience what the M3 does. It took me a good 6 months to build up the confidence and get to know the car to push the envelope and without any shadow of a doubt, the M3 is a phenominally good handling car. And yes, much better than a scoob unless it's had a shed load of money spent on it.
2. Everyone gets caught up in the whole "it's an M3" - "it must be super fast" - it's not about that, yes it's quick, mine is low 4s to 60 with the DCT, hardly a slouch, but it's not about that for me. It's about that big V8, the noise, the handling, it's an experience, a V8 singing at 9k rpm is something else compared to a 4 pot turbo.
3. Yes it has 414bhp, but its also a big car, so of course its power to weight is going to make it suffer in comparison to the scoob.
To be fair, i just chopped in the JDM Hawk at 360bhp and in 1st, quick, 2nd, quick - 3rd and on, ****e. Absolutely ****e.
M3, 1st, quick, 2nd, quick, 3rd, quick, 4th, quick... you get the picture.
They're completely different cars, i'd take the M3 any day of the week, and if you're constantly racing M3's and "showing them a clean set of heels" you really just look like a tosser in a chav mobile.
Each to their own though!
Are you "deluded" in thinking that your "heavily modded wrx" can hang with an M3? No, absolutely not. But, heavily modify anything and it can "hang" with an m3, heavily modify an M3 and it can hang with lambos.
It's just a ridiculous on-going cycle of "my heavily modded car" MIGHT be as quick as a standard car. Who cares?
Buy what you want, drive what you want, and stop comparing dick sizes. You still drive a chav mobile, and i still drive car thats seen as driven by *****. Doesnt bother me and shouldnt bother you.
1. On a test drive, you're never going to get anywhere close to the limit in terms of handling, so you havent in any way even begun to experience what the M3 does. It took me a good 6 months to build up the confidence and get to know the car to push the envelope and without any shadow of a doubt, the M3 is a phenominally good handling car. And yes, much better than a scoob unless it's had a shed load of money spent on it.
2. Everyone gets caught up in the whole "it's an M3" - "it must be super fast" - it's not about that, yes it's quick, mine is low 4s to 60 with the DCT, hardly a slouch, but it's not about that for me. It's about that big V8, the noise, the handling, it's an experience, a V8 singing at 9k rpm is something else compared to a 4 pot turbo.
3. Yes it has 414bhp, but its also a big car, so of course its power to weight is going to make it suffer in comparison to the scoob.
To be fair, i just chopped in the JDM Hawk at 360bhp and in 1st, quick, 2nd, quick - 3rd and on, ****e. Absolutely ****e.
M3, 1st, quick, 2nd, quick, 3rd, quick, 4th, quick... you get the picture.
They're completely different cars, i'd take the M3 any day of the week, and if you're constantly racing M3's and "showing them a clean set of heels" you really just look like a tosser in a chav mobile.
Each to their own though!
Are you "deluded" in thinking that your "heavily modded wrx" can hang with an M3? No, absolutely not. But, heavily modify anything and it can "hang" with an m3, heavily modify an M3 and it can hang with lambos.
It's just a ridiculous on-going cycle of "my heavily modded car" MIGHT be as quick as a standard car. Who cares?
Buy what you want, drive what you want, and stop comparing dick sizes. You still drive a chav mobile, and i still drive car thats seen as driven by *****. Doesnt bother me and shouldnt bother you.
Oh dear - what an embarrassing post to make!
You've highlighted some interesting motoring points, but I have absolutely no desire to discuss them with you further as your childish, mindless ramblings - namely towards the end - have, in my opinion, completely ruined the spirit of this thread. The reason I made my opening post was to share my experience and opinions after driving an M3, and to spark a constructive discussion that would facilitate a comparison of the driving characteristics of said vehicle with those of an Impreza, and value-for-money comparisons, too. I didn't think the thread at any point was degenerating or even closely nearing "ridiculous" territory, until, regrettably, you made your post.
I do not think all Impreza drivers are "chavs" and I do not think all M3 drivers are (enter your expletive), nor have I ever posted words that would corroborate these sentiments. And gratitude for granting me your permission to buy and drive whichever car I want, but I already knew that I could do this, and already do. Interestingly, the only one who seems to repeatedly state that obvious point, and frequently mention the image of cars and drivers of certain cars, is you! Moreover - and more disturbingly - it would appear you now feel the need to include comparisons of the size of different males' phalli (to save you from having to Google this, it's the plural of phallus). All these pathetic musings simply reveal and reinforce what a sad, insecure, shallow little chap you are with a huge inferiority complex... but, sadly, not a matching sized phallus.
And before I bid you good day, I must highlight a couple of inaccuracies in your post. First, I would not regard my Impreza as "heavily modded"; I did not claim it to be. So your quote is libellous. Second, I do not believe any poster on this thread claimed to be CONSTANTLY racing and showing M3s a clean set of heels, so your insinuation merges facts with quotes with fabrications and is subsequently misleading and misrepresentative.
In summary - and it provides me no pleasure to write this - your inane comments and juvenile over-reaction to sensible dialogue and critique have ironically exposed you to be the very thing that M3 drivers are archetypically considered by most: A complete and utter (enter expletive of your choice)!!!
Good day.
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On my third scoob, Hawk WRX, Hatch STI and now a MY11 Saloon 320r, the latter is up for sale as once gone I'll be looking at an e92 M3.
Its not so much about the power of the M3 becuase on paper it does not out perform my STI by a great deal up to 100, its more the whole package, but it does come at a cost, I'll be going from 2011 STI with 25k to a 2008 M3 with around 40k.
Subarus are great cars and fantastic value for money, reason I'm moving on is I'm a bit bored after 3 in a row and fancy a change, the M3 is all I can find that ticks the boxes (for me) along with the V8! Fancy a little more comfort and refinement now but thats not to say I will not be back at somepoint, however the new Mustang or Focus RS may be before I'm back.
Its not so much about the power of the M3 becuase on paper it does not out perform my STI by a great deal up to 100, its more the whole package, but it does come at a cost, I'll be going from 2011 STI with 25k to a 2008 M3 with around 40k.
Subarus are great cars and fantastic value for money, reason I'm moving on is I'm a bit bored after 3 in a row and fancy a change, the M3 is all I can find that ticks the boxes (for me) along with the V8! Fancy a little more comfort and refinement now but thats not to say I will not be back at somepoint, however the new Mustang or Focus RS may be before I'm back.
17 April 2015, 10:18 AM
#29
The M3 feels slower, it's more refined / solid, Subaru feels quicker as it's a much more raw experience, paper thin metal, cheap plastic. The M3 feels like it's built to be a brilliant car, every element feels considered, solid, well built. The Subaru feels like it's built to go as quick as it can, light, nimble, fast.
An M3 would leave a Subaru behind, I'm sure of it, but who would have the most fun I think the Subaru driver for sure.
They're very different beasts, and I love both. Ideally I'd have an M3 for the week, Subaru for the weekend.
Or maybe I'd just have an RS4, or a Porsche Turbo, or an C63 AMG, or another Type RA, or V1 Legacy Turbo, or a...
17 April 2015, 10:39 AM
#30
Scooby Regular
Oh dear - what an embarrassing post to make!
You've highlighted some interesting motoring points, but I have absolutely no desire to discuss them with you further as your childish, mindless ramblings - namely towards the end - have, in my opinion, completely ruined the spirit of this thread. The reason I made my opening post was to share my experience and opinions after driving an M3, and to spark a constructive discussion that would facilitate a comparison of the driving characteristics of said vehicle with those of an Impreza, and value-for-money comparisons, too. I didn't think the thread at any point was degenerating or even closely nearing "ridiculous" territory, until, regrettably, you made your post.
I do not think all Impreza drivers are "chavs" and I do not think all M3 drivers are (enter your expletive), nor have I ever posted words that would corroborate these sentiments. And gratitude for granting me your permission to buy and drive whichever car I want, but I already knew that I could do this, and already do. Interestingly, the only one who seems to repeatedly state that obvious point, and frequently mention the image of cars and drivers of certain cars, is you! Moreover - and more disturbingly - it would appear you now feel the need to include comparisons of the size of different males' phalli (to save you from having to Google this, it's the plural of phallus). All these pathetic musings simply reveal and reinforce what a sad, insecure, shallow little chap you are with a huge inferiority complex... but, sadly, not a matching sized phallus.
And before I bid you good day, I must highlight a couple of inaccuracies in your post. First, I would not regard my Impreza as "heavily modded"; I did not claim it to be. So your quote is libellous. Second, I do not believe any poster on this thread claimed to be CONSTANTLY racing and showing M3s a clean set of heels, so your insinuation merges facts with quotes with fabrications and is subsequently misleading and misrepresentative.
In summary - and it provides me no pleasure to write this - your inane comments and juvenile over-reaction to sensible dialogue and critique have ironically exposed you to be the very thing that M3 drivers are archetypically considered by most: A complete and utter (enter expletive of your choice)!!!
Good day.
You've highlighted some interesting motoring points, but I have absolutely no desire to discuss them with you further as your childish, mindless ramblings - namely towards the end - have, in my opinion, completely ruined the spirit of this thread. The reason I made my opening post was to share my experience and opinions after driving an M3, and to spark a constructive discussion that would facilitate a comparison of the driving characteristics of said vehicle with those of an Impreza, and value-for-money comparisons, too. I didn't think the thread at any point was degenerating or even closely nearing "ridiculous" territory, until, regrettably, you made your post.
I do not think all Impreza drivers are "chavs" and I do not think all M3 drivers are (enter your expletive), nor have I ever posted words that would corroborate these sentiments. And gratitude for granting me your permission to buy and drive whichever car I want, but I already knew that I could do this, and already do. Interestingly, the only one who seems to repeatedly state that obvious point, and frequently mention the image of cars and drivers of certain cars, is you! Moreover - and more disturbingly - it would appear you now feel the need to include comparisons of the size of different males' phalli (to save you from having to Google this, it's the plural of phallus). All these pathetic musings simply reveal and reinforce what a sad, insecure, shallow little chap you are with a huge inferiority complex... but, sadly, not a matching sized phallus.
And before I bid you good day, I must highlight a couple of inaccuracies in your post. First, I would not regard my Impreza as "heavily modded"; I did not claim it to be. So your quote is libellous. Second, I do not believe any poster on this thread claimed to be CONSTANTLY racing and showing M3s a clean set of heels, so your insinuation merges facts with quotes with fabrications and is subsequently misleading and misrepresentative.
In summary - and it provides me no pleasure to write this - your inane comments and juvenile over-reaction to sensible dialogue and critique have ironically exposed you to be the very thing that M3 drivers are archetypically considered by most: A complete and utter (enter expletive of your choice)!!!
Good day.
- are you done? Your thesaurus must be worn out son. For someone who doesn't want to discuss anything, that's one hell of a post. I literally havent bothered reading half of it.
Anyway whatever you said, irrelevant, crack on with your chav mobile matey, i'll stick with my M