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Its taken a long while but I think I'm finally there (keep changing specs).

Planned spec:

FE-TD05
Gruppe-s V2 Headers & uppipe
3" Straight through turbo-back exhaust
STi7 Intercooler + Scoop
Exedy Organic Clutch
ACT Prolight Flywheel (4.2kgs)
STi Panel Filter
Airbox mod
HKS SSQV
Walbro 255 Fuel Pump
FSE Fuel Pressure Reg
3-port solenoid
Tek3 or Apexi

Knocklink
Lambdalink
Blitz Boost Gauge

Will be running it on Optimax and NF

The bits are lying about just waiting to go on.

Was thinking the only things I could do to further things is a decent induction kit and turbo inlet pipe.

All views welcomed.

Bob

stevebt

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is it for a classic or a newage, cause if its for a classic i would go with apexi rather than Tek3 ecu , speaking from experience

gussy

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Nice to see your nearly there bob.Andy got the td05 hopefully I will have it back before crimbo then after crimbo put it altogether then get it tek3d by the way you forgot your injectors on your list just a slip of the finger I hope.

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Mind ya gearbox

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Steve: its for a classic. Will see whether Andy perfers Apexi as he's mapping tek now too.

Gussy: I would have thought that standard 440s would be okay as I expect power to be well below 350bhp (440s max?)


FiestaBoy: Have been looking for a STi5/6 box but with no luck so standard gearbox will stay until death do us part

Bob

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Oh and some PFR7bs

What is the opinion of which induction kit to go for?

Have people been making their own DIY inlet pipes?

Bob

Pavlo

Andy will get more money from doing a Tek, but the Apexi is probably the better bet for anyone that want's to tinker in future.

7 Foot

uh oh!!!

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Tell me about it....it went from just wanting to change the turbo...

changed the spec a few times already....

brought ported headers and H&S up-pipe then decided gruppe-s would be better

brought an STi6 I/C and then decided on an STi7/8 I/C (and brought that too)....Now I'm thinking FMIC.

oh dear......it goes on and on.....

damn scoobynet with its ....this would be better than that and what about this and have you forgotten about that

7 Foot

Turn the computer off man, TURN IT OFF!!!!

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Switches off....

911

Exact spec to me, but which TD did you go to Bob?
I have on the bench an AndyF 20g......
6 speeds are everywhere, its finding the cheque thats the issue
911

stevebt

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if your going to keep changing bits after the map id definately go with apexi plus i have had a tek3 and now apexi and the apexi is just sooo much better

Andy.F

Tek 3 I would recommend if you are going to stick with this spec and just enjoy driving it, also if you are keeping the car for a while this is the cheaper option.

If you are planning further mods in the future then the Apexi is approx £150 more expensive up front but subsequently approx half the cost to remap.
Also the Apexi retains a good secondhand value (£400?) if you sell the car with the std ECU.

Both ECU's are capable of producing very similar power.

Andy

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911: Std FE-TD05-16g and I'm sticking with it! No talking me into a 20g. *note to self - do not buy 20g....do not need 20g...do not buy 20g...do not need 20g...*

Andy: so you've no preference between tek or apexi? Similar results? Whats the price of tek3 map (already have open licence).

Bob

Andy.F

I prefer Apexi, mainly for the live mapping facility. There is less margin but it also takes less time to map than a custom EcuTek, especially if the car has many mods.
Mapping from scratch a licenced ECU is currently £300. An EcuTek remap of an ECU I have previously mapped is £150

Andy

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Costs work out about the same (Tek3 licenced ecu worth about £300-£350 exchange)

That works out (assuming value of std ecu @£100):

£400/£450 ECU with licence + mapping £300 = £700/£750


Apexi supply and map = £700

CustomScoobyIOM

You would struggle to sell the Tek3 ecu as a bolt on mod as it is mapped to your car.

Even if it is licensed, each mapper prefers to have their own base map on it. Hence Andy's costs.

Jon.

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Any opinions on induction/breathing mods?

Bob

911

Bob, it has crossed my mind to fit the API 'in the Wing' cold air pipe, is that what you are thinking?
In the Td05 20g thread above, Andy talks of the car having a bigger diameter inlet tube, would need to raise the inlet manifold to do this ?
I'm sure a simple cone filter and a panel to keep it all cold can be improved on.
911

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whats the API cold air pipe? Just a std flexi pipe feeding air to induction via wing? Was thinking instead of trying to section off a cold air area it may be more efficent to ext6end the induction into the wing, which in itself would be a cold air area....taking this further, one could move the induction further down towards the opening below the indicator. Not sure about this as filter may get wet?

Bob

911

There was a thread here somewhere about this. The API one is a cast pipe, runs from the wing 'hole' to the MAF (etc). Inside the wing is the cone filter so draws realy cold air (compared to the engine bay)
Running from the indicator area seems a little risky as you only need a run into a good flood to be realy stuffed!
Sticking to the scooby panel filter does all this realy!
Are you having AndyF map your car in the new year?
I hope to have all the goodies bolted onto mine by end Jan 05 and get Andy down here to map mine, maybe share the cost with you?

Graham.

Andy.F

Graham do you mean APS ? or do API do one as well ?

The APS I have mapped on a few cars and it is in my opinion the best induction kit out there

Andy

911

Andy/Bob: I was running on memory! Yes, APS.
It is a cst pipe with a lug cast to bolt to the inner wing and looked well engineered to my mind. The filter was directly on the inner wing/wing cavity. Probably tricky to change but so what.
The stock panel filter must do essentially the same job once the resonator is cut away? Both ways have the same area to breath through unless you can make a 'plenum' box to pull air to the filter face via both the inner wing holes.

On a separate note Andy, I will be doing my Sti this Xmas break off work so will finally be calling on you to map the car (Apexi FC/Commander).

Nearly go enough Brownie Points to do it...

911

Andy.F

lol @ brownie points

The bonus with the APS inlet is the direct route and lack of turbulence (which can cause a pressure drop) It is not unusual to see a 30% change in measured airflow signal on this inlet, thats not 30% more flow but a 30% signal change due to the change in airflow quality past the sensor. I know they don't cause any significant restriction up to 470bhp, I've yet to try and max out the std airbox

Andy

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One of these?... http://www.wrc-tech.co.uk/subaru-cold-aircleaner.htm

Looks like a decent piece of kit. Would there be more air in the wing vs under bonnet with mini scoop + air feeds from wing?

How about an inlet pipe? Heard of people making there own with good results....beats paying hundred pounds+ on a bit of pipe?

Graham: Will give it some serious thought, but I wouldn't like to commit just yet as you know how long I've been trying to get it all done. Gives me something to aim for though and will try my best to get it done by then. All i need to buy in is a induction kit, inlet pipe, STi scoop/undertray, spark plugs and a STi 5/6 box (not essential)....and then have it all fittted.
PM me costs of travel etc.

Andy: Whats are your thoughts on the spec?.....missing anything?

Bob

Andy.F

Looks good, there is either the one in the pic you linked to, or the shorter one which keeps the MAF meter in its original housing, both do an excellent job of supplying low turbulence cold air.
You can of course make something similar yourself using a K&N cone filter on the end.

Your spec looks fairly complete, I'd just add a cold air induction and you're there

Andy

911

No problem Bob, but it is good to have a time target to go for! It was the shoter 'maf' type Andy talked of I was thinking would be realy good.
The hill climb season starts in mid March and Autosport Show is but a month away!!!!!!
911

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Graham: true...good to have a target. Guess my problem is I want everything fitted in one go and then mapped in one go too. Guess thats why I a bit fussy about getting it right the first time. Will get cracking with it though....mind you I might have the pipework custom made as £200 odd for an air filter is taking the pi$$.

AndyF: glad to hear I havent missed anything.


Bob

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Have got all the bits together now and they are getting fitted this weekend by tweenierob.

FE-TD05
Gruppe-s V2 Headers & uppipe
3" Straight through turbo-back exhaust
STi8 Intercooler + Scoop
Exedy Organic Clutch
ACT Prolight Flywheel (4.2kgs)
HKS SSQV
Walbro 255 Fuel Pump
FSE Fuel Pressure Reg (might change to a SX if I can get one in time)
3-port solenoid
Tek3
+
APS CAK
Waterspray

Knocklink
Lambdalink
Blitz Boost Gauge

Am soooooo looking forward to having it all fitted....its been so long in planning.

Only have two reservations:

1. Am using a std inlet pipe
2. Am using a 3" closed neck downpipe

Might even come up and see you Andy (and for mapping )up in sunny scotland if the car runs well enough.

Bob