polarbearit

Right, the skyline doesn't have enough space for Ikea Flat packs…
I want a car capable of 200mph…
And I want something extremely stable at speed…

So the contenders for the project are -

Audi S4
Tuning route - Big turbos, cosworth pistons etc
+ Discrete, well built, proven good for big power
- Pricey for age, dull, heavy for size, common

Mercedes E55AMG (previous model)
Tuning route - N/A tuning to give 420ish bhp then add a 100bhp shot of N2O
+ Space, quality
- Potentially costly, no 4wd, Automatic!!!

Mitsubishi Galant VR4
Tuning Route - Unknown, Evo engine transplant?
+ Sensible cost, Discrete AYC
- Can it be done?! Will it be reliable?

Nissan Stagea (Skyline Estate)
Tuning Route - Either search out a rare Autech 260RS with R33 GTR engine or find a regular 4wd model and add the RB26DETT
+ Available with Skyline GTR running gear, relatively easy to get 600bhp which will get 200mph, excellent stability, my existing garage could easily build the desired spec, stock gear ratios will do the job.
- Thoroughly beaten with the ugly stick, heavy, crap aerodynamics (hence 600bhp required), about 3 in the UK and not even that common in Japan!

Subaru Legacy
Tuning Route - Fit a well tuned 500bhp EJ22/25, STI 6speed box and change the final drive
+ Discrete, Decent stability, will take some impreza parts, cheap base car, my favourite option, good aerodynamics,
- Will have to junk the standard engine, Are 500bhp impreza engines reliable enough? Gonna need new gearbox and ratios, who could build one?

Volvo V70 T5 AWD (previous generation)
Tuning Route - Totally Unknown,!
+ Most discrete, plenty of space
- Will the drivetrain take the power, will the engine cope, my mum has one!

I've ruled out -
Everything Front Wheel Drive - Crap!
Most N/A engines - Too dear to get 200+mph capability…
Impreza wagon - little small and not discrete enough!
Octavia 4*4 - not seen any 450+bhp 1.8T's, Don't think the 4x4 can handle the power!
BMW 3/5 Touring - Gonna be too dear to get the power for 200mph and in the case of the M5 only LHD.
Ford Sierra XR4x4 Estate with a cosworth transplant - Too old/ugly

Can anyone help me choose a suitable base car? The legacy is my favourite, but how reliable is the boxer engine when tuned? I'd like the conversion to be as reliable as possible and the car must do 200mph… I'd certainly consider a 500+ BHP cosworth engine transfer into a suitable estate, but Ford don't make anything suitable with AWD.


Cheers,

Jon

MarkT

U could see if any F1 Espaces are around - 800bhp should be enough.
Or failing that I'm sure u could build one - Uncle Frank might have the odd engine going cheap.

Pavlo

You can buy my legacy when it's done

Althought he ratios would only allow 190 ish

( R6 CDW )

I hope you know if you crash at 2oomph, Its likely you could be hurt or badly grazed.

polarbearit

Pavlo - mail me the details of your legacy... Is it a latish model!

R6 - Yep... Are you suggesting I should go for the volvo in case!

( R6 CDW )

LOL...........

AJbaseBloke

Wait a bit longer for the new Legacy?

Excellent aero dynamics, even lower CG, lighter + a bit stiffer. It should take any engine you like from the Sube range, 6 speed should fit (it defo can fit a BH coz the BE based S401 got it).

There is a 450+hp B4 in Japan running an STi drivetrain with Tommy Kaira 2.2 internals, and that car is hardly std

This is gonna be a project to watch, whichever body you go for

IMHO if you are going to sue a BH, make sure you get a BH5D (or D rev) turbo body coz they have the most rigidity in the shell and suspension. You'll still be looking for some extra rigidity IMHO, and there are some tricks tricks that can help quite a bit if you want to avoid the cage route...

David_Wallis

sorry.. thought this was my thread

AJbaseBloke

Here is the 500hp B4 link - sorry it's only in Japanese, I am sure the transaltion programmes will provide some good laughs

http://www.superautobacs.com/event/special/time2-4.html

I am sure David could whip up that engine bay in about 10 minutes

TopBanana

The Volvo is FWD remember

Markus

What about M3 Touring (not sure if they did an M5 Touring) One could no doubt get Hartage or Alpina in on it too

stu8v

audi rs4?????

ustolemyname??stevieturbo

iTrader: (1)

Or Audi RS6. It already has a cool 450bhp, but more importantly a twin turbo V8

polarbearit

budget wouldn't run to an RS4/6 or a current model M5 touring LHD (if they make 'em - I know they aren't made in this country)...

I don't think that the M3 is go-er because as standard its 3.2 and 321bhp and so has little room to modify and certainly I'd think an engine transplant would be needed for the required 450-550bhp! Old shape M5 is a similar problem - 3.8 and 340bhp...

I suspect I'll just end up keeping a GTR and getting a regular cheap estate at this rate, but a fast one would be more fun!

AJbaseBloke

Go visit the www.nasioc.com Legacy forum - or the Newa and Rumours forum - pics of the very aerodynamic new Legacy all over it. A 2.5 block from the US turbo and some choice mods should see you there in a jiffy

Oh, and the UK will be getting a hi-perf model officially this time

ustolemyname??stevieturbo

iTrader: (1)

Quote "I don't think that the M3 is go-er because as standard its 3.2 and 321bhp and so has little room to modify and certainly I'd think an engine transplant would be needed for the required 450-550bhp! Old shape M5 is a similar problem - 3.8 and 340bhp"


You think that either of the above is a problem?????
I think that a simple supercharger or turbocharger installation would easily see 450-500+ bhp on these engines.

If people can get 500+ from a crappy old Pinto with a 16v head ( Cosworth engine ) which has been around for about 40 years, then I think an M3, or M5 engine should be able to with ease, AND reliability.

naturbo2000

If I was going to do it (which I'm not)

I'd want the Galant - black with full tints.

It's the most evil 200mph hearse imaginable

polarbearit

stevieturbo, I thought that superchargers/aftermarket turbo kits where extremely costly to fit to N/A engines as pretty much most things need changing!

And yep the galant would look pretty hearse like Perverse!

ustolemyname??stevieturbo

iTrader: (1)

Do you think that getting any car to do 200mph+ will be cheap???
Yes they are costly, but so will be getting 600bhp from any car. Even a car that is turbocharged as standard, may need different internals, bigger turbo or turbos, larger intercoolers, uprated fuel system, modified or stand alone ecu in order to get that sort of power reliably. Clutch/drivelaine components will also need uprated on most cars as well.
So you may as well be starting from scratch anyway. And whatever car you start with, the bigger cc will always help. Why bother with a poxy 2.0, or even a 2.5. If you can start with 3.2, or 3.6, then its a better idea.
Perhaps a 540 BMW estate... I think they come in 4.4, so it would be a good starting point. Or you could maybe event fit the 750 engine to it, along with a couple of big blowers. the std auto trans may even cope well with the power.
What exactly is the budget for the car??

Pavlo

you can get a supercharger kit for the bmw 540, gives over 400hp and costs about Ł5k I think.

Budget wise, expect to pay 10k and above to get 500+hp from a scoob engine and the gearbox to go with it.

Paul

polarbearit

Budget would be flexible but not Ł40k for an audi RS... My GTR is about to be 550-600bhp so well aware of costs associated with doing such upgrades!

Still I did realise that supercharger conversions were relatively inexpensive - still I'd need 500+bhp for 200mph in a 5 series surely!

Pavlo

btw, does it have to hit 200mph? Or would 195 be enough?

there are gearing issues on the scoob, you would need over 8000rpm and the power too to hit 200mph gearing wise.

At least with the scoob, the breakpoint is about 450hp. Over that and you really need the gearbox, none standard turbo mounting, clutch diffs etc. But they should see you to over 550-600 hp depending on the torque.

Paul

Toerag

Why not get a hearse, as in a real one? There's a lot with big Jag engines in them, so I guess you could fit something like a big V8 or similar. RWD, so no power sapping AWD. Alternatively put a jet engine where the coffin would sit!

siwrx

i would doubt very seriously you would get a legacy anywhere near 200 especially with only 500 bhp. Jun built a scoob specially to break top speeds, stripped out, with aerodynamic aids and 590 bhp and they just hit 197 mph..... so id say 500 in a bulkier car not a chance in hell.

Rs4s are rapid, but will still need work to hit 200

David_Wallis

Siwrx.. I suggest you go over to 22b and look at the thread where we discussed getting my car to 194mph..

200mph is a different story..

And I know of impreza's geared for over 200..

David

AJbaseBloke

Meet the new, very aerodynamic Leggy:

pic flogged from another thread...

Gotta be a chance IMHO

[Edited by AJbaseBloke - 5/21/2003 3:25:25 PM]

mj

daft question, but why 200?

harvey

iTrader: (48)

Not aware of ANY proven, reliable Scoobies in the UK with 500 bhp,right now there are only a handful over 400 bhp and in a Subaru you will need a long way past 500bhp to get to 200 mph. Do not want to **** on your bonfire but Rocket Ronnie has done 196mph with an engine that might have had more spent on it than your total budget.
Nice dream but?...on 40k ..pretty dificult if the car still has to run on the road.

Just a thought.My V12 XJS 6.4litre could be a starting point.

tweenierob

Not tryin to contradict you harvey but I can asure you Ronnie has achieved more than 196mph.
Only time will tell what speeds David will reach in his Wagon, but i am sure there are quite a few people with a shock in store for them.

Rob

David_Wallis

aye, Ill agree with you there rob.. except I cant afford coilovers at the moment so may struggle to do the speed planned..

May have to dust of the old credit card... :O

ronnie has done over 200...

David