Dump valves and overfueling
The answer why a Blow off valve or VTA makes a car run rich on the over-run is because the Vacuum effect of the Turbo momentarily draws air past the MAF after the throttle is closed and the ECU fuels for it.
On a re-circ BOV the re-cycled air cancels out the vacuum pressure of the Turbo and thus stops new air entering past the MAF. Jury is still out on a Dump Valve delete and what PSI it would start making the car have a rich fit. Courtesy of joshnosh! |
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no it fuel for air that should be released back into inlet on recirc, so still fuels for the air released in to atmosphere.
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Originally Posted by tubbytommy
(Post 11308188)
no it fuel for air that should be released back into inlet on recirc, so still fuels for the air released in to atmosphere.
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Because the ecu has already accounted for that when it passes the maf, hence the fuel is added. They sound sh1te and make your car run sh1te the end
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Gonna jump in here with a question.
My 2001 bugeye wrx has a Forge dump valve but I want to change back to the original recirc valve. What is the part I need to buy? |
Depends if it's running a Forge VTA or a Forge recirculating type.
If it's the latter, just replace it with a standard dealer d/v, or try scrappers. If it's the former, you may need the pipework. |
Originally Posted by banny sti
(Post 11308263)
Because the ecu has already accounted for that when it passes the maf, hence the fuel is added. They sound sh1te and make your car run sh1te the end
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The air does not matter at all but the ecu has already calculated how much fuel you need including that air, hence the car overfuels and does not feel smooth
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Give it up, Banny, this guy wants one........
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Get a better ecu like a syvecs, that lets you remove the maf sensor and you can throw the air about wherever you fancy!
Atmospheric dump valves and maf sensors just don't get on. |
MAF = Recirc
Mafless = VTA Simples :top: |
Originally Posted by banny sti
(Post 11308604)
The air does not matter at all but the ecu has already calculated how much fuel you need including that air, hence the car overfuels and does not feel smooth
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Originally Posted by RS_Matt
(Post 11309327)
When does the car overfuel, as long as the ecu thinks the pressurised air can be used? split second back on boost?
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Originally Posted by swaynie
(Post 11309332)
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Your question isnt clear, what exactly is it that dont you understand?
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Originally Posted by legacy_gtb
(Post 11309385)
Your question isnt clear, what exactly is it that dont you understand?
Also with a re-circ does the dumped air rush back to the intercooler or back to the airbox? |
It's not rocket science. The air that is vented is already calculated for by the ecu and fuels for it so this causes overfueling. Overfueling means too much fuel in the mix this can cause bore wash and rough running.
Surely your not this daft. |
Originally Posted by swaynie
(Post 11309402)
It's not rocket science. The air that is vented is already calculated for by the ecu and fuels for it so this causes overfueling. Overfueling means too much fuel in the mix this can cause bore wash and rough running.
Surely your not this daft. But a re-circ vents air away from use, what is the difference? it must be just me lol :lol1: |
Does a pressurised air intake force slightly more air into the engine on closed throttle?
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Sorry to jump in but has anyone got a link to the best place to get a syvecs ecu from ?
Can it just be plugged in job done ? Or foes it need some additional works ? Thank you Just out of interest what does a dump valve do ? Lol just kidding ;) |
Originally Posted by ScoobyFanatic33
(Post 11309435)
Just out of interest what does a dump valve do ? |
Originally Posted by RS_Matt
(Post 11309406)
But a re-circ vents air away from use, what is the difference? it must be just me lol :lol1:
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Would you mind confirming that mine is a bov and not a recirculating ?
https://www.scoobynet.com/general-te...ted-wrong.html I'm concerned that the fact mine isn't recirculating is the reason I'm having issues with the current performance in general |
Originally Posted by marknjayne
(Post 11309464)
a recirc "Recirculates"the air that has already been measured by the air flow meter,it simply recirculates within the system before the turbo ,it does not exit the metered system,if it did exit or (vent to atmosphere) the calculated fuel with be too much fir the air that has already been measured
The only thing I can think of is that on a re-circ set up the moving pistons on the overrun are drawing in slightly more air from the reserves in the intake and I can't see why a deleted system would run rich using this rhetoric. |
Originally Posted by RS_Matt
(Post 11309487)
But this air isn't being used off throttle, just like vented air
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Originally Posted by ScoobyFanatic33
(Post 11309435)
Sorry to jump in but has anyone got a link to the best place to get a syvecs ecu from ?
Can it just be plugged in job done ? Or foes it need some additional works ? Thank you It's not plug in and go, needs mapping and sensors depending on what you want from it. |
Originally Posted by ScoobyFanatic33
(Post 11309481)
Would you mind confirming that mine is a bov and not a recirculating ?
https://www.scoobynet.com/general-te...ted-wrong.html I'm concerned that the fact mine isn't recirculating is the reason I'm having issues with the current performance in general |
Originally Posted by marknjayne
(Post 11309494)
no its not.....because its still contained witin the "metered" system,when its vented to atmosphere it gone and yet the fuel is still calculated for it being there
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Originally Posted by mickywrx
(Post 11309502)
Yours isn't a recirc. :thumb:
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