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mart360 22 May 2013 12:24 PM

Is the Bluray player 3D?

if not it still means you have to hang on to your 3D DVD player



Mart

Neanderthal 22 May 2013 12:55 PM

I'll probably end up getting one even though my 360 hasn't been switched on for months. If it is quiet then I could see it replacing the PS3 I use as my media hub at the moment.

Ant 22 May 2013 01:28 PM

i really couldnt care for backwards compataiblity, i've never bought a new console and decided to play the old games :wonder:

New_scooby_04 22 May 2013 01:37 PM

Return of the Brick!! it's an ugly f**ker, but I kinda like it. One of my mates commented:

"It looks like it accepts videos/NES cartridges"

Duck Hunt, anyone? :-)

That said I'm sure form follows function here after all the issues they had with temp regulation with the 360.

Zavi may be asking £399 but that's guess work as MS haven't yet given an RRP as far as I know. I'd be very surprised it if was £399 as one of the previous main differences between MS and Sony following the xbox/PS3 was that MS accepted selling the consoles at a loss relative to the cost of the hardware (MS openly admitted they made a mistake by charging too much initially for the original xbox), whereas Sony were much more reluctant to do so; hence why the PS4 cost significantly more than the Xbox 360 initially.

Most pundits are saying £299 for a base package.

I'll happily buy one: the 360 for all its technological hiccups was a fantastic console and the service I got from MS was superb!

stevebt 22 May 2013 05:16 PM

You will just have to make sure you are going to like a game before purchasing it as they are bound to be £60 a time and if there is a new game charge for a 2nd user that takes away any chance of selling a game on if your not happy with it.

Torquemada 22 May 2013 05:52 PM


Originally Posted by stevebt (Post 11097220)
You will just have to make sure you are going to like a game before purchasing it as they are bound to be £60 a time and if there is a new game charge for a 2nd user that takes away any chance of selling a game on if your not happy with it.

Cue a lot more on demand and cloud based gaming alongside content downloads - as per COD Black Ops they already kinda do cost 60/70 quid if you buy season passes etc.! :eek:

Neanderthal 22 May 2013 08:03 PM

Super streetfighter on the SNES was £60 though.

stevebt 22 May 2013 08:09 PM

Older games which can be bought new for say £8 are over £20 on xbl and when you consider there is no physical product the digital download should be far cheaper than a packaged game. Its all about MS controlling the gaming market, they say they have a place where you can trade a game online.


They also state if you sell a used game on it will deactivate on your console once installed on another, but how can you sell a game if the 2nd user has to pay full price?



Microsoft corporate vice president Phil Harrison has suggested that customers who activate a pre-owned retail disc for the Xbox One will need to pay the same price as the original buyer to access the content.

Ant 22 May 2013 09:14 PM


Originally Posted by mart360 (Post 11096962)
Is the Bluray player 3D?

if not it still means you have to hang on to your 3D DVD player



Mart

i'd imagine so as ive seen a picture of the back and it has 2 hdmi outputs

chrisowe 22 May 2013 09:29 PM


Originally Posted by Ant (Post 11097596)
i'd imagine so as ive seen a picture of the back and it has 2 hdmi outputs

I think one's an input.
I would imagine it's certainly HDMI 1.4.

ScoobyWon't 22 May 2013 09:41 PM


Originally Posted by Ant (Post 11097596)
i'd imagine so as ive seen a picture of the back and it has 2 hdmi outputs

One input, one output. That way your Xbox One will sit between your TiVo/Sky box etc and allow it to use the Kinect to display the tv guide, change tv channels etc by voice command.

The idea is that you can say "Xbox, show ESPN" and it will switch to ESPN, or you could say "Xbox, show Top Gear" and it will swap to a channel showing Top Gear (that'll be Dave then ;)).

There's a much better explanation at http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2013/05/xbox-one/

ScoobyWon't 22 May 2013 09:56 PM

There's a Q&A on Wired, too. It talks about taking games to other people's Xbox'


Wired: What’s going on with used games? What about borrowed games? There’s a lot of speculation today. Can you clear some of that up? For example, we have multiple Xboxes in my house and trade games all the time. If we have multiple Xbox One consoles, can we still do that?

Harrison: Absolutely, just like you can today. You take the disc, install “the bits” on every machine you have in your house from the same disc, and anybody in your household can play that game. You have exactly the same restrictions that you have today, as in only one of you can play that game at a time because you only have one disc. But anybody in that house… well, the Xbox Live account… it goes for both the Xbox 360 and the Xbox One, and any user inside that house.

Wired: So as another example, if I took my disc and went to a friend’s house, would I be able to play that game on his machine?

Harrison: Yes, you can. You can take your game around to your friend’s house just as you would today — that’s assuming you have a physical disc — and what we’re doing with the new Live technology is that… with the disc, it’s just a repository for “the bits”. You can put that disc into his drive, you can play the game while you’re there, and then you go home and take that disc with you. But actually, “the bits” are still on his drive. If your friend decides that he really likes to play that game, then he can go buy it instantly, and it doesn’t need to download again. It’s already there. Once he’s paid for it, it’s immediately there.

Wired: So the discs that will be sold will essentially be start-up discs, and then the game isn’t really connected to the disc anymore once it’s been installed?

Harrison: Once you put the disc into your machine, you never need it again. If you want to keep it, that’s great. You can do that. But you can also download the game. You don’t actually have to have a physical disc after that point, but you can then share that disc with your friends which is basically a great way of distributing the content to other people.

Also, let me turn this around the other way. A game can be completely on a disc, with no additional content downloaded. You install the game on your hard drive, and other than pinging for Achievements and other multiplayer connectivity, then that’s it. That’s the end of it. Each game is on a case-by-case basis. But, I think it is very likely, that because of the inherent connectivity designed into the platform, that developers would want to expand and extend an experience over time.

CharlySkunkWeed 22 May 2013 10:17 PM

I was a bit pissed off when I heard about the backwards compatability issue until I realised I only buy COD or FIFA which are worth frig all once the new version comes out anyway so have no need to buy or sell old version. However , I usually wait until they have been released for a while and buy 2nd hand at a lower price which I wont be able to do anymore :(

Not into Connect , or the On Demand for that matter. Already have a Bluray but it would be nice to have it connected to internet (got mine in the early days)
I think for £300 I could be persuaded , but what do we do with all our old gear ? The 2nd hand market will be flooded .

Ant 22 May 2013 11:27 PM


Originally Posted by ScoobyWon't (Post 11097651)
One input, one output. That way your Xbox One will sit between your TiVo/Sky box etc and allow it to use the Kinect to display the tv guide, change tv channels etc by voice command.

The idea is that you can say "Xbox, show ESPN" and it will switch to ESPN, or you could say "Xbox, show Top Gear" and it will swap to a channel showing Top Gear (that'll be Dave then ;)).

There's a much better explanation at http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2013/05/xbox-one/

ahh very cool i just thought that was xbox's internet tv feeds

JackClark 22 May 2013 11:31 PM

Don't get too excited, it'll be US only.

New_scooby_04 23 May 2013 12:15 PM


Originally Posted by JackClark (Post 11097808)
Don't get too excited, it'll be US only.

I did wonder!!

Presumably there has to be some way of getting this to work with countries in other providers though or a big selling feature of the console is negated.

On that subject, I do wonder if all of this "integration" is very much MS "doing an "Apple i.e. We'll tell you what you want from technology, you go out an buy it, dummy! :D I would imagine Steve Jobs having a VERY broad grin on his face having watched that presentation.

I don't know about anyone else, but I can't help but feel it's an answer to a question nobody has asked: Personally, I just want a great games console, the other integrated media stuff is, at best, subordinate, at worst, undesirable ..... unless you're MS of course in which case trying to lock the punter into their services by providing an 'all in one solution' is most lucrative!

As I said, I reckon Steve Jobs would be grinning broadly!

I would like a definitive answer to the whole "second hand games market" issue though, as responses from pundits and MS seem rather confused. Some suggesting MS have killed off the second hand market (which I would be very surprised at) others from MS saying that it basically works as it always has done.

Ultimately, the console will stand of fall on its hardware and (which we know is good) and its developer/software support, which one can only imagine will be very extensive.

I'm reminded of what a pundit said when MS were about to launch the first Xbox and the doubters were saying it would fail as MS didn't understand the console market.

"This is Microsoft we're talking about; It will not be allowed to fail"

I think E3 will silence the doubts! :)

Ns04

hpoolsteve 23 May 2013 12:37 PM

Not looking good for the pre owned market.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolog...ed-titles.html

Littleted 23 May 2013 01:53 PM

I,LL STILL BUY 2 OF EACH CONSOLE, and I know youll all buy something of each anyway, it was a bit **** thought the Xbox.

The virgin media/ Sky listings thing was great if I live in the states hope they do it for UK. the Graphics for COD looks cool, but all I wanted the Guys for COD to say was we have Introduced Cars and Tanks, but no he said a Dog, bah

Fifa looks errrr Like Fifa.... all I want is Forza 5 and Gt6 and I,ll be happy

EddScott 23 May 2013 01:54 PM


Originally Posted by JackClark (Post 11096380)
I can hear PC gaming turning in it's grave.

PC gaming is alive and (reasonably) well. Its about time consoles finally caught up with the capabilities of PCs.

JackClark 23 May 2013 01:57 PM


Originally Posted by EddScott (Post 11098200)
PC gaming is alive and (reasonably) well. Its about time consoles finally caught up with the capabilities of PCs.

Steam saved it for a bit, but now that you can get this level of graphics for the price of a high end memory stick surely it's a gonner??

New_scooby_04 23 May 2013 02:10 PM


Originally Posted by JackClark (Post 11098202)
Steam saved it for a bit, but now that you can get this level of graphics for the price of a high end memory stick surely it's a gonner??

There is a whole industry out there driven by people who must have the latest graphics cards etc... As long as a PC can deliver "better", I reckon the PC gaming market will continue to tick over nicely.

The threat would only really come if they made consoles upgradeable :D

EddScott 23 May 2013 02:37 PM

There are those that must have bleeding edge technology within their PC but IMO the cost of PC gaming has gone down because you no longer need the most up to date expensive gubbins in the box to run the games produced these days. You might get the odd one or two but thats usually lazy development rather than performance related.

But there is still no denying that consoles have gaming in the bag.

Littleted 23 May 2013 02:47 PM

you know something ive been running a core I7 clocked to 3.8 12 gig ram and an ATI 5870 for nigh on 4 years now and ive yet to see anything that wont run.

I play most things, mainly World of tanks , WOW and a few RTS games SC 2 and AOE 3

I will when the time come upgrade to something in the next 24 months as the USB ports are becoming tired, the 5870 still holds its own though.

I will prob get a ATI 7990 and sack off the over priced Titan, I,ll stick with Intel but look for a mainboard that support 64 gig, so I can run virtuals for work. but that's prob it, ooo and lots of USB, cos I always seem to run out.

I did spin round in my Davros chair today and fire up the 50 incher in my office for a quick blast on Grid for the ps3 because Grid 2 will arrive next week, I managed to get past the first 5 or so races to unlock the proper game and Man alive that game is soo good.

anyway better dash im on a conf call and somebody has just asked me a question so I,ll play dumb and ( can you just repeat that please HAHA )

Ted

EddScott 23 May 2013 04:32 PM


Originally Posted by Littleted (Post 11098259)
you know something ive been running a core I7 clocked to 3.8 12 gig ram and an ATI 5870 for nigh on 4 years now and ive yet to see anything that wont run.

I personally think even that is more than enough currently. Mine is a clocked i5, 8GB ram and a 480GTX and other than knocking down a few shaders of Crysis 2 I've not had any problems. But then I prefer picking up older stuff like FO3 and STALKER and wandering around for hours on my tod. STALKER with some polish still looks stunning.

stedee 23 May 2013 06:27 PM

i was expecting more graphically. did you see messi`s face on the fifa demo, was it messi???? and the cod demo didnt look good either, have you seen that jungle screenshot, where the beams of light are coming through the trees but the sun is at a totally different angle to where the beams are coming from. lol rushed or what.

hoping for more at e3 but anticlimax comes to mind.

ScoobyWon't 23 May 2013 07:27 PM

The majority of the industry expects E3 to be where the games and the Illumiroom (or whatever it's called) will be shown off.

New_scooby_04 25 May 2013 01:13 PM

Hmmmm, do you think he's angry about something??? ;)


BULLITT 27 May 2013 09:28 PM

It appears that Microsoft doesn't have the slightest clue what's going on as they're now back tracking in the details from the unveiling.

There appears to some good news from this though, apparently in response to the negative reactions about used game fees Xbox have now said there won't be a fee for playing used games...

http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/24/436...cks-used-games

Neanderthal 31 May 2013 10:08 PM

So.... available to pre-order on Amazon for £599! :eek:

Think I'll wait for the non-kinect bundle, if they will do one.

Littleted 31 May 2013 10:17 PM

I have it on good Auth they will be 399.00

The Amazon price is just a placeholder. I still think at 399 its too much, im happy with 299.00

but I suppose add the games I reakon easily gonna be 500 600 a pop for us all with controllers and stuff

esp as im gonna get ps4 also GULP!!! better start saving


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