Oh dear, more Boeing Dreamliner woes.
 

Another electrical problem for Boeing to sort out..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20942484

last year..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20716997

Now JAL and ANA have grounded all of their dreamliners..

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/dreamliner-...004638990.html

Wouldn't want to be holding Boeing shares right now...

yeah, they sound like there not realy ready for service yet. I'm still amazed the american aviation authority has stated they wont get involved unless theres an accident :o

They are so desparate to beat Airbus, it makes you wonder if they are short-cutting testing too much.
Every radical aircraft will have problems but the Dreamliner seems to have a lot of electricals to sort out.

Do you remember Boeing sacking a handful of senior staff that came out and said the design was dangerous a few years back ?

This plane could destroy Boeing, I bet Airbus are going flat out on the A-350 ;)

Yes, that was over the 'plastic' fuselage.
Got to love the last line in this article..
http://seattletimes.com/html/boeinga...boeing180.html

Here might be the underlying cause, very disturbing..
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/feb...ltzik-20110215

Boeing does a rough design, hands it to sub-contractors who do a more detailed design and then they sub-contract to manufacturers, parts are shipped to Boeing who find that components don't fit together.
Nothing wrong with subbing, but to fail to give precise specs is not good practice.

It sounds like a bag of nails to me. Glad I have not got anything to do with it!

Les

Grounded indefinitely by the FAA in the US - sounds pretty serious!

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100385850

Better to do it than risk a major disaster.

That must damage Boeing's reputation and will need some serious confidence rebuilding.

Now banned from flying by EASA and grounded worldwide.

http://news.sky.com/story/1038642/bo...ross-the-world

Still no solution to the problems..
http://www.usatoday.com/story/travel...liner/1895297/

mmmm, Thermal Runaway - it is a common problem in laptops too

Could this cause Boeing to go bust ?

Hopefully Bombardier will benefit from this - they could have had the lithium battery in their C-series planes but have now developed a better alternative.

Nah. They still have good orders for the 777 and the 747-8 should take a fair few orders aswell.

Airbus were planning to use the same batteries in their A350 but they have a Plan B just in case....

http://in.reuters.com/article/2013/0...91003820130201

Are they still making 747s?
Formidable!

Link stolen from another forum:

http://www.wimp.com/approachlanding/

A380 in to SFO

At the start ATC mentions a visual approach, then changes/corrects it for ILS vectors. Don't know what the work load difference is, but the captain didn't look too happy about it. Would that have meant switches from IFR to VFR?

I have a friend who flies 757's, and I'm pretty sure he has to fly so many manual approaches. However, I'm not sure if that means looking out the window and using PAPI lights for example, or if he has to manualy follow the ILS glideslope rather than using the autopilot do everything? There is a massive difference.

Sorry, nothing to do with the subject of course.

Interesting watch thanks, we fly one those Charles De gaulle - Joburg last month :)

Iv no idea whether it was manual, we hardly knew we were down that's for sure

Sailing San fransisco bay too, lucky bugger

Just ask Cargolux and Northwest what they think of the new 747-8F's

The projected costs for fuel burn were way off they are no more economic than a old 747-4F, the problem is when companies like Cargolux order these planes they build their long term tariffs based on info from Boeing, seems their projections were way off.

At least the triple 7 is saving their bacon, great aircraft btw for cargo and passengers alike.

Didn't reaslise that about the 747-8

Agree about the 777

The good old "Tin Triangle" was an all electric aircraft,including the flying controls. It first came into service in 1957 and remained until 1981.

My experience on it was for 12 years and I never had any major unserviceability which frightened me with it.

If I was offered a trip on it today I would just say "lead me to it"

Les :)

Just to add, we have just returned from a long haul flight on the 777 ER Air France and the landing on both legs was really smooth and easy, don't know if it was pilot or technology but it was good. 'Plane nice and quiet.
We were planning on Mexico for next winter and using the Dreamliner PE class. Will still go to Mexico (all being well) but not sure about the Dreamliner !!!! Will wait and see but Boeing have one huge passenger confidence hill to clinb.

JBL

Still no immediate remedy, planes being produced are now clogging up the factory apron.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...9170R420130208

It's a very sad situation, I always had great respect for Boeing, but it seems that their present policy of subcontracting and rushing in for new technology is failing them.

Understatement ! As I said their own staff raised these issues 5 years ago and were sacked for speaking openly about it. You reap what you sow.

Whoops Double Bubble

The Dreamliner problems are a bit nearer to getting solved.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21764282

Who will be the first airline to begin litigation?
This will cost Boeing a fortune in cash and loss of confidence.

It's a pity to see a major manufacturer in this position.

Whilst a pity, I can't help thinking it was similar sitautions in the past with other aircraft maunfactrurers that allowed Boeing to gain market dominance.

I.e A manufacturer tries something new, gets their fingers burnt and the competitors pick up on the lessons learnt to get a step ahead.

True and Airbus are benefitting from this, their new A350 is just around the corner and was going to use those batteries, they have a plan B ready in case these batteries are a no-go after testing.