Cem,

As a few folks have already stated ~ Harry Metcalfe in EVO.

If you can, read back issues. (Not "if you can read".....but "if you can get a hold of"......".

I can loan you all the relevant back issues if you want.....

Better still ~ phone him up ~ since you have
a/ just been in Evo
b/ Managed to get A RESPONSE from JB to an email (wow!)
...you are in a better position than most.

Even better ~ Harry was selling C8 UFO ~ no mention of it in this months mag ~ has it gone? Dunno. LHD, but it is luuuuverly and already has a "tech-art" (from memory ~ could be wrong) rummmmmmbbbbly-exhaust on it, tracker fitted etc etc etc......

And you'll be safe in the knowledge that it's never been taken on track, thrashed by any journos or been driven at "de-banke" angles through the same corner a gazzillion times for Gus Gregory to get a nice powerslide shot.....

Cheers (you lucky lucky man)
Mik

Ok bajie, point taken, I hadn't noticed that.

Are the 964 Turbo II's really that bad? Have you guys much knowledge on them? I was thinking of getting one and am interested in any experiences..?

Spence.

Have no direct experience, but EVO figures are 0-60 4.5, 0-100 9.2!!!! i.e much faster than any Scooby you care to mention. I have read that they are ferociously fast, and pretty tame to drive considering. Buy one if you can afford it - you will probably not find a faster point to point car anywhere, cept maybe the new version...

Mike

No faster point to point car ??? What about that 700hp Lancia Delta Integrale ?????

Oh yeah??

Well what about a 6000 bhp top fuel drag car?? http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/wink.gif http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/biggrin.gif

Blowdog
Go ferret round on the EVO forum (no, not that one, your friends the magazine.... http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/biggrin.gif http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/biggrin.gif) as Lord Harry Metcalfe is running one...

Re other questions, blood type, don't know...

Mother's maiden name - Kocu - hey, wait a minute.....isn't that your name?????
Was your mother a sailor in the Turkish navy in about 1954????
I think you might be my long lost younger brother....... http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/biggrin.gif http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/biggrin.gif

BTW, parked next to a silver Evo6 at the airport this morning, eyeing it up, as you do, and was well impressed to note that, in a penis envy type thing, my rear wing (STI5 replica) was much bigger than his. Made my morning!! http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/smile.gif http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/smile.gif

Anyone have any direct experience with this beast?

Yes


I have been looking at other alternatives recently and must say that this is lookin very attractive.

Yes


How does it drive compared to our cars

Extremely well for a comparatively heavy car, no area where it falls behind the scoob, superb feedback (though not as good as a 993RS http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/wink.gif ) very composed, great grip. Not quiet as 'point and squirt' as the impreza more 'am I here already? http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/eek.gif ' It is a supercar (albeit more GT-supercar) rather than a cheap, fast sports saloon. Different league - build quality, grunt, handling etc etc.


and will it take the strain of 10k miles per year?

Easily


Will I notice the power difference?

OH YES http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/biggrin.gif - pulls better from standstill, and once you hit 50mph she just rockets away. Don't forget most magazines managed well sub-4secs to 60 (3.4 the fastest IIRC), and 0-100 in around 9secs http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/eek.gif Thats 40% faster than a UK Scoob, 20% faster than an top STi/MAK http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/eek.gif http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/eek.gif http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/biggrin.gif - AND the acceleration doesn't slow until you hit the wrong side of 170 http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/eek.gif http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/eek.gif http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/eek.gif - Don't test drive one unless you can afford it http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/wink.gif


Also, is it a bitch to run? Servicing etc?

Running one is easy. Althought he last of the 'live' 911s, it was/is still a genuine use it everyday supercar/GT - although rear seats are for kids, midgets and amputees only http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/wink.gif IIRC figure on c£600 per service, but longer service intervals than the Impreza (or Evo http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/wink.gif )


What is your mothers maiden name?

Hitler (sorry I thought you said Mother-in-Law http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/wink.gif )


What is your blood type?

Red http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/biggrin.gif


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I'm dead jealous mate, if I didn't have 2 sprogs I'd definitely have had one by now *sulk* .
Great car by all accounts. 996's are alot cheaper to run, Porche have made decided to make servicing and parts alot cheaper, but as said above you have a minimum 2 services a year already so may not be that much more.
I say you get it whilst young n beautiful, and swap with me when you need a load lugger every now n then http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/wink.gif
Chuck

I would say you have to look around very carefully and make sure you get a good one as the costs involved are truly frightening!! Servicing or other wise. Many consider this to be the best 911 ever made and it was the last of the originals. The changed it all with the 996. The interior, the engine is now water cooled and the pedals are the way they are in most cars. As long as it has been scrupulously serviced and maintained you should be ok, but if you see one you like get some one who knows what they are doing to look at it for you as it will bite you if you buy a duff one...

Spence.

The last air(oil)-cooled Turbo 4 - it's the car Impreza owners should dream about...

Well, at least I do!!!

In many ways, the drive train is just like the Impreza's, flipped 180 degrees. Even has a centre viscous diff ;-)

I came across one at a set of traffic lights just three days ago, and no, I didn't attempt to drag race him. Instead the owner rolled down the window and we proceeded to have a nice chat about each other's cars!

(Incidently, he showed a great deal of respect to my Aus-Spec WRX .)

The sound, shape and power is something else.

If you can afford it, buy it. The air-cooled cars have a good reputation for reliability and the build quality is the finest (mostly hand built too!)

The engine has a proper "dry sump" so it can cop a good fang and not fall apart (eg. oil starvation, which can be a problem with the new normally aspirated 996's when run on slicks...)

Regards,

Daniel.

The 993 is regarded as the best 911 - and their reliability is great.
As with *all* the turbo Porsches - maintenance can cost the earth - turbo rebuilds for examples are looking at the thick end of £3k............
so with regards to this comment :
Running one is easy. Althought he last of the 'live' 911s, it was/is still a genuine use it everyday supercar/GT - although rear seats are for kids, midgets and amputees only IIRC figure on c£600 per service, but longer service intervals than the Impreza (or Evo )

£600/service is without *anything* needing done - thats your sparks, oil change etc
Finally,if it is a turbo you go for Porsche servicing is absolutely *paramount* - regardless what the specialist dealers say.
Good luck (and yes - I'm jealous http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/smile.gif)

Gastro

PS and finally (!) - if you are going to pay this sort of money, *dont* be tempted by a cheaper 964 911 turbo, unless you can re-mortgage the house to maintain it.........

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Harry Metcalfe the EVO Magazine Owner ran one (a left hooker) as his long termer, so I would grab a load of back issues and read his reports.

Highlights off the top of my head would be, single figure fuel consumption( something you've probably experienced already http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/biggrin.gif )very high maintenance costs that have already been detailed here, but above all they were always full of praise and amazement of the ability of this car.

It's a different league of car you would be moving to. Try a 993 rs before you buy, best car I've ever driven

My direct experience with the 993 turbo goes only as far sitting in one ($hite pedals like any "classic" 911, cabin on the cosy side), and listening to it start up and idle away at Stratstone Porsche in Wilmslow - sounded MAGNIFICENT http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/smile.gif If my girlfriend hadn't bullied me into a £30K max budget, and persuaded me that we needed 4 doors, I'd have seriously considered one instead of the evo http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/frown.gif

From previous porsche experience, budget for some big bills. Steven Sutcliffe's article in autocar from about a month ago on his experiences of running his 964 Turbo made very amusing reading http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/smile.gif

Good luck - from what I've read the 993 turbo is only one of a handful of cars which could be considered an upgrade from your Mak.

Regards,

Gary.

Awesome awesome cars......

But, in the recent Supercar v Bike test, the EVO 6 (was an RS admitedly) was lapping quicker than the Porsche...........

But as an everyday car, reckon it's streets ahead.

Oh and there is a 993 RS and a 996 both around the £40k mark from these chaps - (they are very helpful......)

You may want to also ask on

993RS IS the best 911, but it is very harsh as an eveyday commuter. And with only 40-odd RHD models made, even 10k per year will shag the resale value.

Friend of mine ran one a couple of years ago. Paid £75k for a mint 7k miler, added another 7k in 6 months, became frustrated as he couldn't 'use' it properly (it is a pure out and out race car on the road that doesn't like pootling around on the commuter run), went to sell it, and ended up loosing £18k http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/eek.gif

993RS - Stunning car, VERY live lightweight tailhappy RWD, but definitly a weekend/track plaything.

For my money for a fast but 'use it everyday' supercar - there is none better than the 993 Turbo4 (except perhaps the 996 turbo http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/wink.gif )

Good point about the potential costs with a 993 Turbo, but the one I have experiance of, has covered c80000 miles in 4 1/2 years and has had no money spent on it other than maintenance and consumerbles http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/cool.gif except when his rear wheel hit a kerb in an oversteer moment and popped the rear window out http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/eek.gif when he was chasing me out of a junction http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/wink.gif http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/biggrin.gif

That being said, a friend with a 6 year old 968 had frequent £3k bills http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/eek.gif

Cem,

If I was looking for a used Porsche I would go to a main dealer for the air tight warranty they offer on an "approved" car. If you have a look at

Cem

There is a company in Wembley Trading Estate [can't remember the name] which deal in
Porsche including servicing and preparing for track/race antics.

I had a talk with them about buying and running a GT4.
They were of the opinion you might have more fun in a RWD porker.
They will also thoroughly inspect any Porsche you are interested in buying, this price is redeemable against your first service if you use them.

I'll take you there [or you could ask Whoopi] if you want.

Spence

I wouldn't take advice from anyone who doesn't know what part of the world he's in http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/biggrin.gif http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/biggrin.gif http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/biggrin.gif

Anyone have any direct experience with this beast? I have been looking at other alternatives recently and must say that this is lookin very attractive.
How does it drive compared to our cars and will it take the strain of 10k miles per year? Will I notice the power difference?
Also, is it a bitch to run? Servicing etc?

What is your mothers maiden name?
What is your blood type?

All help is mucho appreciated.
Cheers,
Cem

No idea.

Smith.

B+ (I think).

Hope this helps. http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/biggrin.gif

Greg.

No Idea Again

Cannings

Geeny/bluey/red

Oh and hi Greg http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/biggrin.gif http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/biggrin.gif http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/biggrin.gif http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/wink.gif

Si
Ps Hi Cem http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/biggrin.gif

Cem
And as you obviously have far more money than sense (but not much sense however from what I have seen of you http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/wink.gif http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/wink.gif) - can I have your Mak old buddy, old pal, old mate http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/biggrin.gif http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/biggrin.gif http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/biggrin.gif

Holy crap.

I am so grateful for all the responses, I had no idea there were so many helpful people on board! Thanks a lot all.

I have decided that if I was to go ahead with this (which looks likely), I would go for a left hooker. There is no way I could afford a 50k car now, which is what Porsche main dealers are asking http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/eek.gif I reckon that I could find a decent left hooker for about 30-35k.

Re. servicing, I will/do service the Mak about 4 times a year. At £300 a shot, we are well over a £1200 per year on servicing alone. When it comes to looking after my car, I am meticulous, as I am sure we all are. No expense is ever spared. If I do a track day, my car is serviced before <B>and</B> after! I have even applied armour-fend twice! Fuel consumption is also on the lean side, so I am used to all that. Its the cheap Japanese feel that I am getting tired of, with the odd rattle and the headache after a long journey.

I think the little things will make the difference, like tyres, insurance and a new exhaust.

I will give Harry a call http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/biggrin.gif and see if he has sold his. I'm sure that I can trust them to sell a decent car on to me. But it's black, right? Eww.

Thanks a lot all, more advice would be appreciated.

Cem

Cem,

If you are interested in a LHD version have a look at the classifieds in EVO. There is a company there who are specialists in LHD imports and always have Porsche Turbos on offer. Sorry I can't remember their name but I'm sure you can find it in EVO easily enough.

Yex

Polarbearit has remembered their name and put a link in....soooooo tempting http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/biggrin.gif http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/biggrin.gif http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/biggrin.gif

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Cem,

I'm not 100% sure (maybe 95%) that there was a 911 turbo buyers guide in 911 & Porsche World Magazine a few months ago, that covered the 993. Between me and my father, we have all copies of this magazine going back several years, so if you are interested, mail me offline and I will get photocopies to you. If you're REALLY interested in amassing information about the car, I will go through all the back issues we have and photocopy all relevant articles on the 993 turbo.

For left-hookers, check out

Try Nick Faure - he sources MINT cars from Germany. Should be able to find you something very nice. Sorry, don't have a number - can anyone here help?

Cem, you could do worse than give Ian Litchfield a call (litiports banner on here) as he's a 'dealer' I would definitely trust who also specialises in helping import cars direct.
Chuck

The road test editor from Autocar, (Stephen Sutcliffe?), ran a 964 Turbo as a (short)long term car.

His experiences are enough to make anyone stop and think, as he encountered a mass of expensive and painful problems.

The car was a German import, 3.8 Turbo, upped to 380-400bhp, bright yellow with a ferociously expensive exhaust.

Looked the nadgers, (if you like yellow Porsches), but it cost them about £10K for less than 10,000 miles.

Ouch

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Blow Dog:
<B>Holy crap.

When it comes to looking after my car, I am meticulous, as I am sure we all are. No expense is ever spared.

Cem[/quote]


Cem
I just get into my crate twice a day and take it to heaven......but no expense spared on go faster/look better bits http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/biggrin.gif http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/biggrin.gif