Is there a guide for fitting a 52mm gauge into the round heater vent?
As above - any tips?
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Bloke on here just done it, carbon on the vent too, looks neat.
Winston69 ? |
Originally Posted by alcazar
(Post 10522332)
Bloke on here just done it, carbon on the vent too, looks neat.
Winston69 ? I have found this one which might tick all my boxes http://elise-shop.com/high-precision...-p-502177.html Boost Oil Pressure Oil temp Voltage (which is a bonus) All in one gauge which as its 60 mm will fit in the vent snugly compared to a 52mm one. Any thoughts on this gauge? |
Looks OK, but says it's 60mm, where you specified 52mm?
Make sure you get some adaptors if you want the oil pressure and temperature to work. You need one to go in the tappings above cylinder No3 for the O/T, and MAYBE an extension/T-piece for the O/P sender, depending on it's size and if you want to retain the original, useless oil pressure warning light. Another search on here will find lots of threads about gauge fittings. DO NOT be tempted to use a so-called "sandwich plate"! |
Originally Posted by alcazar
(Post 10522519)
Looks OK, but says it's 60mm, where you specified 52mm?
Make sure you get some adaptors if you want the oil pressure and temperature to work. You need one to go in the tappings above cylinder No3 for the O/T, and MAYBE an extension/T-piece for the O/P sender, depending on it's size and if you want to retain the original, useless oil pressure warning light. Another search on here will find lots of threads about gauge fittings. DO NOT be tempted to use a so-called "sandwich plate"! |
Be careful: it DOES say it comes with sensors, but WILL NOT have the necessary adaptors at that price.
Here's the one for the oil PRESSURE: http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_fr...All-Categories You want the one with the long pipe on it, it's called a REMOTE adaptor. Plenty on there at different prices. Second one down looks OK. And I THINK this is your oil TEMP adpator: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Oil-Temper...item41533cc5b3 IIRC the threads in the Scoob block are M14, but someone will know if you ask. Open a new thread. |
Or ring 0191 410 3770 and speak to Alyn at www.asperformance.com as he will have the correct parts on the shelf. :D
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Yes, the above: probably the same, or cheaper price too.
Support Scoobynet traders. Al;yn is a top bloke too, gives free advice;) |
Originally Posted by alcazar
(Post 10523682)
Be careful: it DOES say it comes with sensors, but WILL NOT have the necessary adaptors at that price.
Here's the one for the oil PRESSURE: http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_fr...All-Categories You want the one with the long pipe on it, it's called a REMOTE adaptor. Plenty on there at different prices. Second one down looks OK. And I THINK this is your oil TEMP adpator: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Oil-Temper...item41533cc5b3 IIRC the threads in the Scoob block are M14, but someone will know if you ask. Open a new thread. |
If you can live without the stock oil warning light (useless, when it goes on the engine is toast already) you only need a remote pressure adapter.
This should ideally be fitted in place off the nr3 cilinder bung. This can be removed, and a m18x1.5mm plug can be fitted, which has 1/8nptf threads inside to take the sender.The alternator bung (mentioned below) is ideal for this,and can be bought at any subaru dealer/breaker. The temperature sender can then be placed under the alternator, where the useless idiot light sits as stock. |
Originally Posted by alcazar
(Post 10522332)
Bloke on here just done it, carbon on the vent too, looks neat.
Winston69 ? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...2132745448.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...2164732603.jpg But any questions I'll still try and help anyway I can :thumb: |
Originally Posted by Dutch Scooby lover
(Post 10526750)
If you can live without the stock oil warning light (useless, when it goes on the engine is toast already) you only need a remote pressure adapter.
This should ideally be fitted in place off the nr3 cilinder bung. This can be removed, and a m18x1.5mm plug can be fitted, which has 1/8nptf threads inside to take the sender.The alternator bung (mentioned below) is ideal for this,and can be bought at any subaru dealer/breaker. The temperature sender can then be placed under the alternator, where the useless idiot light sits as stock. Temp sensor above No. 3, and oil pressure from the OE sensor outlet. |
Originally Posted by Dutch Scooby lover
(Post 10526750)
If you can live without the stock oil warning light (useless, when it goes on the engine is toast already) you only need a remote pressure adapter.
This should ideally be fitted in place off the nr3 cilinder bung. This can be removed, and a m18x1.5mm plug can be fitted, which has 1/8nptf threads inside to take the sender.The alternator bung (mentioned below) is ideal for this,and can be bought at any subaru dealer/breaker. The temperature sender can then be placed under the alternator, where the useless idiot light sits as stock. I wish people who give advice would get their facts right, or check their typing: The PRESSURE sender goes where the OE pressure switch was, under the alternator, the TEMPERATURE sender goes in the tappings above cylinder No3, NOT the other way round. |
He's got an excuse though, Jeff. He is Dutch after all.
His typing and spelling is much better than some that, somehow, manage to post on SN. |
I believe you can fit them both ways, only make sure the temperature sender is in the block directly, not connected to a hose.
The pressure sender can be in both places as well, and can be mounted into the block directly, or via a hose. Normally a temperature sender is smaller, and can fit in both places, the pressure sender is quite bulky and most of them need a hose with adapter to mount them away from the block. |
Nice try bud: if it was the case that they are interchangeable places, how come Subaru didn't put the pressure switch into the block tappings? To save on wiring?
Also, those tappings are there BECAUSE cylinder No3 runs hottest, so is the one to monitor........Subaru know that, so put them there. |
Subaru probably mounts the idiot light in the front for ease of replacement.
In my opinion they never considered any hole in the casing to have any other usage then their own (for machining/inspection/assembly of the block in the factory) It is indeed a fact that nr3 runs hotter, but do you think that the 12 inches of oilpassages between the nr3 cilinder bung and the alternator bung makes any reasonable difference in measured oil temperature?? If that is the case we should measure oil not in whole numbers but in 1 or 2 decimals behind the comma, and nobody does that. It's the same with a coolant crossover pipe, that has a casting spot right next to the factory sender that can be drilled and tapped for a coolant temperature gauge) This is not some added bonus FHI made to enable people to fit an aftermarket gauge, but just a result of the production proces. That people unbolt blanking plugs to fit a gauge (as a ring adapter is a reasonably viable alternative) is NOT something FHI ever considered people would do. But it can be done, and in my opinion it can be done in both ways. |
Originally Posted by Dutch Scooby lover
(Post 10528936)
Subaru probably mounts the idiot light in the front for ease of replacement.
In my opinion they never considered any hole in the casing to have any other usage then their own (for machining/inspection/assembly of the block in the factory) It is indeed a fact that nr3 runs hotter, but do you think that the 12 inches of oilpassages between the nr3 cilinder bung and the alternator bung makes any reasonable difference in measured oil temperature?? If that is the case we should measure oil not in whole numbers but in 1 or 2 decimals behind the comma, and nobody does that. It's the same with a coolant crossover pipe, that has a casting spot right next to the factory sender that can be drilled and tapped for a coolant temperature gauge) This is not some added bonus FHI made to enable people to fit an aftermarket gauge, but just a result of the production proces. That people unbolt blanking plugs to fit a gauge (as a ring adapter is a reasonably viable alternative) is NOT something FHI ever considered people would do. But it can be done, and in my opinion it can be done in both ways. Unless you can supply evidence that says, incontrovertibly, that Subaru never meant anyone to use those tappings they put in as an "inspection point" ( :lol1::lol1::lol1::lol1:), then I'm sorry, but I'll stick to what I've been told. PRESSURE sender at front, TEMPERATURE sender over No3 cylinder. Just admit you typed it wrong and let it go at that: we'll let you off, you are normally correct. :D |
I won't, normally, but to please you I will.
I do however genuinely believe it makes no difference where one puts either sender, as long as one realizes that a hose type extension/adapter will only work for pressure, not for temperature. As a temperature sender is usually smaller it makes more sense to me to fit that below the alternator, and use a hose type extension on the nr3 position for the pressure. That sender is usually to large to physically fit under the alternator, so would require an extension anyway. So putting the temperature sender under the alternator, and the pressure sender @ the nr3 bung via a adapter hose is: -cheaper (requires only 1 hose adapter, ideally with a thread that fits directly into the m18x1.5 tapped hole in the block -safer, as there are less things that can leak. The other way round would require more parts, thus more chance of leakage. That I typed "machining/inspection/assembly" was just to put out a few options to account for the nr3 bung, as that IMO has to be there for some other reason then to provide us with a handy point to put a oil related gauge. |
I do see your point, but the Defi senders I've fitted go straight in, no size problems.
I would also be interested in FHI's response as to WHY those tappings are there....... |
Originally Posted by petethemeat
(Post 10522384)
Cheers i have searched for the thread and seen a night shot of the gauge.
I have found this one which might tick all my boxes http://elise-shop.com/high-precision...-p-502177.html Boost Oil Pressure Oil temp Voltage (which is a bonus) All in one gauge which as its 60 mm will fit in the vent snugly compared to a 52mm one. Any thoughts on this gauge? |
Originally Posted by Scoobyno1
(Post 10536252)
Would be interested in this too if anyone has bought this one? I already have a boost gauge fitted in the air vent but like the idea of having them all in one dial.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Depo-Racing-.../dp/B006763GJI Jura |
Originally Posted by jura11
(Post 10536422)
Similar to this from Elise shop doing too Depo racing
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Depo-Racing-.../dp/B006763GJI Jura |
Originally Posted by petethemeat
(Post 10536456)
Thanks for the link Jura. Are depo racing any good?
Jura |
Originally Posted by jura11
(Post 10536422)
Similar to this from Elise shop doing too Depo racing
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Depo-Racing-.../dp/B006763GJI Jura Delivered for £94 - boost, oil pressure / temp and volts all in one. Just scouring the net at the moments for any images / help for fitting into the air vent before i end up pulling my dash apart. :) Pete |
You'll go a long way to beat the fitment Winston did.
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Originally Posted by alcazar
(Post 10582044)
You'll go a long way to beat the fitment Winston did.
Hmm decisions decisions, i am now thinking about mounting it in a single pod on the top of the dash tucked away in the drivers side window corner. |
Nah, extra pods on top don't look smart.
What about a single A-Pillar pod? |
I am not too keen on the a pillar option , I originally wanted the air vent option as its much more OE looking. I thought with the single pod I could tuck it away right in the corner of the dash.
What setup do you have jeff? Pics? |
I've got three 60mm defis in a pod where the trinket tray was on top of the dash, but am currently looking at maybe getting a slightly snazzier pod. The one I have matches, but isn't the prettiest: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/09...gauges_etc.jpg
It's the pic that leans slightly, not the gauges;) LOL I also have two 52mm ones in an A-pillar pod from Area 52, again, a nice match, but no pics. |
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